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Penguin 3.0, a change in legit strategy...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by coloradowebpro, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. coloradowebpro

    coloradowebpro Newbie

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    Hello everyone I'm starting a new campaign for a client and have been jolted in this black hat game like never before with this new algo update. I am wondering if the following strategy is still viable for a grey hat legitimate link building solution (for reference, this is a business client):

    - Hand Written Tier 1's (Wordpress, Weebly, Wiki's, Blogger, etc)
    - Obsessive Properly Spun Tier 2's (over 90% unique value)
    - Tier 3's auto spun from Tier 2's

    Using GSA SER for Tier 2's and 3's, is anyone see future penalties with this method?

    Also I have not purchased GSA SER... yet. So if anyone has input on using SER or UD or any other tool like it from here on out please let me know, now that we have seen the aftermath of the Ebola/Penguin 3.0 rollout.

    Thanks in Advance.
     
  2. Gyuman82

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    If you have to ask you probably shouldn't be taking on clients. :)

    Anyway to answer your question, many people from what I can see were hit using the same strategy. Lots of people using web 2.0s got hit this time around.

    It's only a matter of time before "spammy" tiered link building gets hit, so no this is not a good long-term strategy.
     
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  3. fc-dh

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    Really? cus all my local sites with lots web2 tier links are doing just fine.

    @OP that is a good strategy, but you should not be asking but you should be testing, nobody can tell you cus Gyuman82 tells you that web2.0 links are being hit and i am telling you from my experience it is not, so..... testing mate that is all you can do to know it for sure
     
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  4. Gyuman82

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    Just because your websites are doing fine doesn't mean the OP will have the same experience.

    Almost everybody and their mother on this forum uses some sort of variation of the OPs strategy (tiered link building) and look how many people are crying after the update.

    There is also a "skill" disparity as well understandably, and I'm willing to guess you are on the "smarter" end of the spectrum from your postings.

    Considering OP doesn't even own GSA yet, I'm going to guess he is on the other end.

    He asked if this is a "long term" strategy, and considering the amount of people that got hit this update using tiered-link building (and the last one as well), I cannot say in good conscious this will provide safe long term results.

    Sure short-term interim gains, but long term? Not so much.

    But yes I agree, testing is necessary and that is what the OP needs to be doing.
     
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    If tier 1 is made really well (with more than 1 article, social media accounts, etc...), this might work long-term. Just don't go for the regular easy option, 1 manually spun article on Tier 1 and that's it.
     
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    No because i do heavy testing, that is why i know it is not web2.0 Google is after

    Like you sad everybody got hot, also the people that never used web2.0 or tiered building, people you never hear from on forums or SEO blogs, i have a view ex clients (clienst are a pain in the ass) that have 100% Google guideline sites and called me to tell me that got hit, no tiered building, no web 2.0, not crappy content, so there you go.

    Just because you read people on forums that copy the popular methods say that got hit doesn't mean Google is going after web2.0, my theory is that the updates are just index reshuffles to force small businesses to adwords.


    Well thank you sir :)

    Considering OP doesn't even own GSA yet, I'm going to guess he is on the other end.

    He asked if this is a "long term" strategy, and considering the amount of people that got hit this update using tiered-link building (and the last one as well), I cannot say in good conscious this will provide safe long term results.

    Sure short-term interim gains, but long term? Not so much.

    But yes I agree, testing is necessary and that is what the OP needs to be doing.[/QUOTE]


    I use web2.0 for more then 5 years now, so.... but i agree that people that use a one spun article, with a picture and a link to wikipeda/money site are going to get hit, also if you use the obvious web2.0 over and over again, i have seen network out of only wordpress.com, bloggerblogs and livejournals in the above setup and then they wonder why their site got hit lol.

    That is why i keep telling people they need to test, even what i say can all be bullsh*t.. test, test, test.
     
  7. cloakndagger2

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    Personally I don't think these updates are anywhere near as complicated as people make out. Google will sign up to a host of services, they get free GSA lists with the disavow tool, and very likely a lot of innocent sites as people panic if they didn't place their link on the site itself. It's a blanket approach which will have the desired effect, a random hit with some seemingly clean sites losing out, collateral damage if you like. Think about it if they zero value all the links they get with the disavow tool of course those web 2's you hammered with GSA will lose effect. Someone in the original penguin 3 summed it up well, luck!

    With a fresh, yet unused GSA list you will likely see nice gains, until the next update, Neg seo will cause GSA lists to eventually be disavowed by the neg seo victim. I actually saw a site today #1 for a pretty competitive local term, it had been neg seo'd with porn anchor, it is number 1 AFTER this update. I wish I had checked this niche before the update to see if it was #1 or if the links were devalued so not affecting the site in an adverse way. Anyway the comments above as sorta true asking such a question shows your lack of skill in seo, this is the problem with seo and how it gets a bad name, anyone thinks they can do seo. Real seo costs money, sometimes a ton of it, sure GSA-SER works, the problem is now google has a free method of getting the links, the disavow tool, well done google, that was a great idea, I mean it, let people give you the low quality links. I have no issues with google or Matt Cutts, they do their job, I get on with doing mine, to me it is a game, you win you lose but you carry on. The best advice I can give is be different, do web 2's work, yes, so thin content web 2's work, no (most of the time). Any "fake" site, see this as a network or web 2 has to BE real, if you can get someone to visit the site and they believe it is a genuine site, job done, that takes effort and maintenance, the lazy seo'er starts stumbling at this point.

    I agree with testing but I'm pretty confident if you harvested a brand new clean GSA list, you'll see good results, again probably until the next update, the next step is a private network, not a service, but your own, things start costing money in this phase, done right, it's one of the most powerful methods out there, again done right needs effort. I laugh daily when I research sites and see wordpress sites crammed with articles from loans to milkshakes, trust me they are not real networks more like shining bright light in the pitch black for google.
    Check out real business forums, they disavow anything they didn't do themselves, they have gotten a real link, they didn't put it there it must be bad (you get the irony here right!) this is a big part of why seemingly innocent sites get hit as well. Some even refuse to remove links wondering why on earth anyone would want a link removed from their site.
    NEVER use GSA directory links, many sites are cloned as is and placed on new domains (in volume, the people doing this are 100% clueless in seo and lazy sods to boot, as well as clearly lacking any intelligence to think identical sites on different domains hold any value whatsoever), so as well as more low quality links they are duplicate penalty links, game over links, the more experienced will avoid these, the newbie doesn't know the difference.

    Spinning, if done, should at least be from an original article and refreshed with more original articles on a frequent basis. You should approach tier 1,2 and 3 randomly not the usual web 2, spam method. Anyway there is enough there for you to digest.

    Paragraphs as requested !
     
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    The question is too generic. This is equivalent of "what is SEO?" AKA the do-not-ask question.
     
  9. JustUs

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    There is a local politician that I oppose. I wrote two articles about the politician and how that person did not work for the people. I then put those two articles on a blog I control. They initially indexed about position 14 for the key words they were aimed at; things like [politician district], [politician issue], [reelect politician] and used long tail for [politician city]. I initially began optimizing/link building for the persons name but rapidly realized that the last name is very common and the first name was almost as common, so I stopped (though the page intended to rank for the name ranks at pos 60 out of 7000 listings for the name). I then began taking the spam comments off of another blog under my control that is set up in such a way that most Proxy or other IP's commonly used for spam were dumped into a trash file and anything that contained a url was sent to the spam directory if it passed the prior test and one before that. Each time I reached a 100 spam comments I would drop the keywords and the url into Gscraper. I would then scrape their backlinks and post to those links with GScraper. This quickly put my links onto the first page - generally around positions 3 - 7.

    As I had figured, the politician were concerned that pages from a known opponent that listed the politicians lies and deceptions was showing in the serps on the first page. This politician and the local democratic party hired someone that lacked patience and skill, and who began blasting and 301ing to political pages to bury mine. This worked in some areas and not others. The person also lacked the insight to check the pages they were promoting because most of those pages revealed the politicians voting records that supported my position. All my links were built with GScraper, though I could have turned GSA, Xrumer, or Scrapebox lose as well.

    Along came Penguin 3 and within a 24 hour period all of the pages that were blasted and 301'd fell in the serps; in some cases the links disappeared, and in others the links were demoted to pages two and three. My pages rose again to positions four to six under the search terms I had chosen. The pages that outrank me are from the state legislature, Wikipedia, a doctors page for the healthcare term and a political page in one instance. I expect them to stay in those positions until after the elections in Nov.

    Think about it. It is not whether you are spamming, but how you do it and the strategy you use. Just like chess.
     
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    Please use paragraphs.
     
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    It's not an Algo Update mate. It's an Algo Refresh.
     
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    We have a winner.
     
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    Never had problems with my web 2.0 tier 1 as long as you put some work into it.
     
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    Never had a problem with my web 2.0 technique!
    Just use quality any update your web 2.0s at least once in a month if possible
     
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    It's not an algo update, it's just a pea.
     
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    Basic SEO. It will work fine if you can make web 2.0's 100% natural. I am doing this for my Local Tech & Freelance News Portal.
     
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    Its pretty right. I do a lot of blackhat and I haven't been penalized yet. Rankings drops sometimes but they come up again.

    - My technique is simple. Don't think of your website as the only source of traffic. Use parasites. Try to rank them. Use videos ,try to rank them, sign up to business forums and business socialnetworks, post content to them, many allow you to submit press releases and create blogs. Write about your business more. Diversify your keywords, don't focus on just few. Use long tails alot. Long tails give you better rate of targetted traffic. Spam with good content. Put more emphasis on spamming parasites with your tools. If you are spamming your main website, put the settings to high on the tools (eg, low obls, high pr, domain age, etc). Diversiy the spamming too with as many possible types of sites as possible. If rankings go down, look for the possible reason, adapt, and spam in new way. :D
     
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    Wow, thanks for all the replies. I've gathered a good bit of information from your posts. I'm gonna go ahead and purchase SER and Scrapebox to use them together with what I'm trying to accomplish and use SEO Spyglass to monitor the backlinks that could get penalized. From what I've gathered I need to keep up with my tier 1's and make them completely unique, update bi-weekly, and keep an eye out for any bad links. I will definitely diversify my Tier 1 content across different platforms.

    Thanks again for all the feedback, I'll update with my strategies and tests to see what I can accomplish in this post-Penguin *refresh* world.
     
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    It is really important for you to test. Have multiple domains, apply different strategies to each and come up with your own conclusions.
     
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    Gotcha will do, I've got 2 domains other than the main one that I can test with so I'll use them first and see where I can get them in rankings.