[Penguin 2.1]I'll give you guys a nudge in the right direction

Budged around for a couple of terms Overall not much change. Traffic levels amazingly similar before and after.
Sites ranking for some on the nose buying and product terms are very sketchy. Deleted Yahoo answers pages (deleted the day before Penguin 2.1) seen a couple of those. Some contact pages, a forum post with the keyword mentioned once in passing.

Not a very impressive situation in most cases.
Also Google developing a "hair trigger" for their sandboxing which makes negative SEO a real issue.

All that and links still the best way to rank 99% of sites. But you have to do it different folks. This update might be bigger then the original P1 - you really need to do it very differently.

The next numpty to mention "link blasts" should be shot at dawn. Forget "Link blasts" think getting yourself a nice little server, some decent content, and drip feeding links over a broad spectrum of platforms over a long period of time.

Yeah - this means a lot less spam will be created. a LOT less - but then I'm guessing that's pretty much what Google wanted.

Great post Gorang.

Scritty
 
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One of my sites was hit and i havent sent a link to it in over 6 months. The links pointing to the site are not tier links. It only has 112 links pointing to it and its been on page 1 in the UK and US for over 2yrs. Suddently, it drops from page one to page 99? Makes no sense. Yet, one image still ranks on page 1 but just that 1 image and nothing else.

Maybe one of those links was heavily penalized which resulted in my site dropping. Maybe it was a manual review who knows. I cant see any patterns and i have no idea what to do with it at this time.

Once again, iv never used tiered link building to this site. I stopped using GSA on all my other sites over 5 months ago and those sites continue to rank.
 
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Fortunately., most of my site didnt get hit, what i have noticed is the quality of your tiers links and anchor text %. I would recommend stop spamming low quality links with GSA since google seems to be making emphasis on low quality links. Homepage links with trustflow on 20+ and related sites seems to have a huge ranking power. I think getting just 10-20 expired domain as tier 1 and blast those with automated web 2.0 and some other medium quality links seems to have a great ranking power.
 
I've written a blog post detailing what I think of the latest update, there will be two parts to the blog post and i'll follow up with the second part in the coming days.

You can find my blog through my Facebook page in my sig.
 
Getwhatchuwant said:
Well written and well thought out.

Only one problem, while it is a small sample size I did the opposite of what I normally do to one "site" and a bunch of keywords moved up to page 2, some from nowhere.

I typically do slow, methodical, hand built seo but those sites stayed still for the most part +/- 5 or so, nothing serious. The only site that saw rapid upward movement was the site I spammed.

Go Figure.
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This is what confuses me. I don't know how many of you guys have been following the the pure blackhat spamathon journey (I'm not allowed to post the URLs) -- where a member on here has been ranking a 100% blackhat, scrape and spammed, autoblog -- but he surprisingly was not hit at all from this update, and he even has #1 rank for his main keyword. To quote another member from that thread:
bartosimpsonio said:
Great new update! So your 100% spamathon site is alive and kicking after the latest google big brand update.

Plus, lots of honest and true sites got demoted.

You guys got your message: play by google's rules and google will own you. Play by your own rules and you're the bosses.
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....what does this tell us about this update? It's very confusing.
 
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Teftmen said:
This is what confuses me. I don't know how many of you guys have been following the the pure blackhat spamathon journey (I'm not allowed to post the URLs) -- where a member on here has been ranking a 100% blackhat, scrape and spammed, autoblog -- but he surprisingly was not hit at all from this update, and he even has #1 rank for his main keyword. To quote another member from that thread:


....what does this tell us about this update? It's very confusing.
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Haven't seen it, can't comment but i'll have a look. As always, not every site gets hit, maybe it is a young site? Where is the thread?
 
I'm unable to post direct links on here yet, but it's in the "My Journey Discussions" forum, a topic called "14-day PURE BLACKHAT SPAM-A-THON - ranking a scraped site with spam". It was started near the beginning of last month by a user called "seocrab" on a 4-month-old domain.
 
Is it only me? But I am seeing some of my sites, and some of competitors too, back in the top 50 after being slapped to 1000+ a year and a half ago... whats going on?
 
Teftmen said:
I'm unable to post direct links on here yet, but it's in the "My Journey Discussions" forum, a topic called "14-day PURE BLACKHAT SPAM-A-THON - ranking a scraped site with spam". It was started near the beginning of last month by a user called "seocrab" on a 4-month-old domain.
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I think that is the reason, the age. I have a new site which was completely passed over by Penguin but used the same techniques as sites that were hit. Penguin has to crawl the web a while before it runs to collect data, then it actions it. I'm sure the reason it still ranks is that most young sites were missed.
 
My site was dropped into the late 100's, one of my seo brothers told me to take the kw density from 2% to around 0.5%, I also added an H1 titel of the main kw and created a link back to the page. I have been adding fresh content and as of today my main kw is sitting at #40, I am testing this with an inner page as weell to see if this works.Linkbuilding is carrying on as normal.

Please share if there is anything you have tested and seen some results.
 
kochhansie said:
My site was dropped into the late 100's, one of my seo brothers told me to take the kw density from 2% to around 0.5%, I also added an H1 titel of the main kw and created a link back to the page. I have been adding fresh content and as of today my main kw is sitting at #40, I am testing this with an inner page as weell to see if this works.Linkbuilding is carrying on as normal.

Please share if there is anything you have tested and seen some results.
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Thanks for your information.
So you are saying this bs update is an on-page thing?
Tiered link building is still working?
 
gorang said:
I think that is the reason, the age. I have a new site which was completely passed over by Penguin but used the same techniques as sites that were hit. Penguin has to crawl the web a while before it runs to collect data, then it actions it. I'm sure the reason it still ranks is that most young sites were missed.
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I don't think young sites were missed. I think there is a grace period when crappy links do not contribute a negative. This is to offset the negative SEO aspects which are now part of the algorithm. Young sites have little or no authority so if there was no grace period new sites could just be blasted off the face of the earth by competitors with crap links. Older sites are still able to tolerate crappy links in proportion to their authority.

Just my 2p.
 
stugz said:
I don't think young sites were missed. I think there is a grace period when crappy links do not contribute a negative. This is to offset the negative SEO aspects which are now part of the algorithm. Young sites have little or no authority so if there was no grace period new sites could just be blasted off the face of the earth by competitors with crap links. Older sites are still able to tolerate crappy links in proportion to their authority.

Just my 2p.
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Interesting thought, thanks for this.
 
Thanks for sharing your insights OP, but I still wonder why many of my web 2.0 properties with tired links still rank higher after this update. I also found that some of my sites that did not have any tired links also got tanked - may be because of low link diversity.
 
Another great post gorang. Seriously thank you for the time you take to explain your ideas, observations and thoughts.
 
I am not sure, my site is still moving up all the time and not jumping around like it was before I did the changes, I have done the same changes to the second page on the same site to see how it does, i'll report back in a week or so to mention the success or not of this. There are many guys saying even more diversity in anchor text, thats not bad advice at this point in time I believe.

Camouf said:
Thanks for your information.
So you are saying this bs update is an on-page thing?
Tiered link building is still working?
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K, just a thought as you filter out your new plans and backlinks, I have a tendency to go off grid and try and test odd things and combos of odd things, I own about 30 sites at any given time that I am building out for private network stuff and I use these for my testing. I wont really get into what I test as far as back-links go, as its pretty diverse. But..

About a year ago I sorta got smacked with the idea that prior to IM I dont think I EVER left a single anchor txt of any kind. So I started to ask general people I know that were non IM, friends online etc..... one question, have you ever left an anchor txt?

Normal response was first...hmm whats an anchor txt? ...I would then explain... then IF they got it, they would say no..
I really did ask about 50 plus people over some months, and I never found one person who answered yes. ..NEVER.

I shifted to about 95 plus percent naked urls and only some anchor/branded from private sources/ some press releases.
Net result is most of my sites that were made like this, really are doing great, some movement for sure, but net net, I am happy.
Also I cut down the amount of links i made about 80 percent from the previous year.

My two cents...., good thread...
 
robertstr said:
I really did ask about 50 plus people over some months, and I never found one person who answered yes. ..NEVER.
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Publishers use anchortext'd links, not readers. For example, you're reading a cooking blog, and the article says "here's where I get my best recipe ideas from" and the phrase is the anchortext.

Of course readers aren't going to go and link to the site, they're just going to click the link. The blog publisher is the one who created the link (with anchortext).

So unless you know a lot of *publishers*, your statistical sample is irrelevant (since google was always about analyzing links found in articles, blog posts etc.)
 
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