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Offline-Online Blackhat PPC Strategies

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by PreaDub, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. PreaDub

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    Brief Intro

    I mentioned in my previous post that I made a shitload of money back in the day with adult related CPA (eWhoring + surveys mostly). Though it did get a bit more blackhat...

    While there's some stuff I'm unwilling to reveal, and I also don't want people to PM me asking for methods, I can reveal some stuff to the community in general.

    Method

    Sign up to a paypercall premium phone provider service (won't link it here, but a cursory google search should help you out). They provide lines, software and numbers, all you need to do is use the damn numbers!

    They'll take a cut of the premium number cost sure, but also the infrastructure needed for a quick launch. In multiple countries as well (i.e. the phone lines).

    Though when you scale you can split from them.

    Spam weabo/incel/adult/kink/bodybuilding/male dominated... forums as a "girl" expressing interest in their passion (i.e. what the forum's demographic are there for, e.g. for weabos talk about some anime shit, for kink say you feel horny after a dump, for incels say you've been rejected by every boy and hate life, for bodybuilding say you hate the stigma in the female bodybuilding community or want advise on form or some bullshit, hacking forums research some bullshit from some blog and reword it, saying your "girlfriends" aren't interested in computer architecture or whatever etc etc etc)

    If you can't spell in English, please do not fuck this up for everyone and spam like a retard! Hire someone for $5 on a freelance site or copy some blog or whatever.


    Men are horny and lonely, so they'll PM you. Especially if you suggest that you're lonely/have no one to speak to about your interest that you're so impassioned with...


    Reply to their messages like a normal human (i.e. proper spelling, normal casual language not fucking retarded bullshit), then say something like "idk if this would interest you, but if you'd like to chat here's my number: 020-PREMIUM-$5-A-MINUTE-MOTHERFUCKER "

    (this can be automated pretty easily, but you can hire some Indonesians/Indians to spam manually for you, just make sure the task is very clear or they'll fuck it up)

    Buy a couple of phones if you can manage it yourself, and don't intend to scale it much.

    Or...hire some people to work the lines for you. You can literally go on freelance sites and negotiate a payment method. Or a fixed rate based on expected conversions.

    Eastern Europeans will do this for you and their English is generally good. But don't hire bloody Indians unless you're doing this in India (not being racist, but you'll ruin it for everyone)!

    I.e. if you spam 1000 places a day, and have an appox. 10% conversion, maintaining a convo for 5 minutes at $2 a minute, making $1000 in revenue (100 people, $10 a person), you can pay them (1-3 people) say $50-100/day.

    I personally would try to low-ball people as much as people. $10/day base + commission if they keep people on the lines longer than a specified period of time.

    Give them a script to keep the customer on the line for as long as you can. If you want a repeat "customer" you have to use social engineering to explain why it's costing him so much. "I have a phone contract which blah blah etc". I won't spoonfeed you. Think.


    If you aren't great at this, hire a copywriter or a writer or whatever on a freelancer site.


    There's a couple of different spins on this, I'll write about later maybe.
     
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  2. Elliot305

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    Good shit man, brings me back to my e-whoring days (although my stuff was just online). I can see PPC billing doing much better than the standard "enter your credit card to verify identity on our site" angle. Workers can be a bitch to deal with sometimes for the type of worked involved though. I ran into some issues with a guy on a PPC ground campaign test I was running. Campaigns like yours can certainly bring in the dough provided the workers are down with hustlin' some (and not hustlin' you). I paid mine twice industry standard and still had issues with 1 of them.
     
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    Read your post, interesting as fuck bro! And I actually did something similar (regarding the insurance part, I wrote a similar note on cars, then had premium numbers and people I trained to read a script on the other end). "You've bumped into my car! I've noted down your license plate. Please call me immediately to settle this in a hassle-free way."

    Then some guy I hired to read a script.

    I put money in escrow so they know I'm serious but I never pay upfront. That's avoided most problems. Where people wanted bitcoin payment, I've paid them after the job was complete.

    I actually cycled around town posting the letters (for my insurance campaign), I have yet to find a way to run such a campaign that doesn't require me to trust people not to flake.

    Maybe buying a go-pro and forcing my workers to wear them might work?
     
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    I'd give $100 to the person who can find a premium rate number provider that charges $5/min, it's pretty much impossible now. In the uk any ways.
     
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    Oldschool reasoning. I like it.
     
  6. PreaDub

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    You can get £3.90/min which is pretty close to $5/min.
     
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    Haha, yeah I saw a good response rate with hand-written letters on cars. Again, your rev stream certainly would yield a better ROI than a standard call campaign. From my very brief experience in hiring random peeps from CL, it seems that finding quality workers will be somewhat problematic (even if you pay well). I think if you put them on commissions it could yield better results than a standard hourly wage.
     
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  8. PreaDub

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    Also regarding call centres. It doesn't cost much to set up an office. And a basic employee structure.
     
  9. Lannceo

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    In the UK it's £1.50/min max. Do pm the £3.90 line please.
     
  10. TheDotMarketer

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    I know this is an old thread, but does anyone know where I could get PPC at $5 in the US?
     
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    huum interested to, pretty good, idea actually, need to find a spin too it since I am in 3rd world country.