Non Paying Client SUCKS

Hy.

As other mentioned neg seo is not a solution... There are chances that you could help it insted of hurt it.

Depending on how your business work you should ask for payment in advance if we are talking about online clients and not only. Or at least get a 50% payment.

Now you have better chances of getting your money if you let it go and hope that you get paid... you will lose more money and time if you debate and struggle to get your money or make it pay. You could invest that time making more money.
 
1. ALWAYS have them sign an iron clad contract, with penalties and late fees. This is 100% WORTH paying an attorney $500 to look over and create based on your location.

2. ALWAYS get at LEAST 50% before you lift your finger.

3. Establish a relationship with a collection company (and make sure that it is pointed out in your contract that after X days you reserve the right to sell the bad debt or assign it to a 3rd party collection agency) and send your bad debt to them, and then move on.

4. Don't waste time with deadbeats - they will suck the life out of you. If you do #1-3 you won't have to worry about #4

Sure this sounds great, but you just cant spend $500 for $200-$300 projects. I think its too much for small jobs, thats why i either get paid 50% upfront or deliver AFTER payment being sent. This guarantees you cant be scammed at all.
 
I never lift a finger til I'm paid. I answer all questions and am very helpful pre sale but I don't start any work until I'm fully paid. If payment is a problem for them then move on

I had that mentality... Until I learned about two separate things, and how they work together.

1. DCF valuations and commercial credit.

2. Perceived Value.

1. Discounted cash flow is when you project how much revenue will come in, in the future (P.O.'s, A.R.'s and subscription income) minus historically budgeted subscription churn, then discount that amount based on the time value of money, current LIBOR, your credit etc... which hopefully brings you to a pretty accurate valuation of that income, if you had it today... "how much would you take today, to forgo that money in the future?"... Then use your DCF as collateral to secure revolving or installment debt. (just like PO and AR financing). I use these credit facilities from specific future earnings to grow other future earnings at a rate that exceeds the financed discount & interest. boom :)

2. Perceived value, on the other hand, is a customer-centric metric. When used in conjunction with the time value of money, you can sell a lot more dollar volume based on perceived value and time while delivering the same amount of product.

Say you sell widgets... You will make a widget for someone for $400. Thats your price, but you need that money before you start. As soon as you said $400.00, you set a value and term... $400, and now. The customer either acknowledges the value and buys, or doesn't. Now, does the customer have a higher perceived value for the widget over time? YEP. EVERY TIME.

When making the value proposition, creativity is what increases value to YOU (and possibly the customer). you could demand $600, or $1,600 or whatever, just hoping to get your $400. But do you want big money corporate clients? Better have NET30. Now then, how many widgets will you not be able to sell simply because the prospect only has $300? $200? What is it worth to the customer for you to be willing to take $300 or $200 today, and more in the future? What is the future value of the $300 widget to the customer? The "Time-Value perception"?. Like $20 per month for a year? (that's $540 total) Or a widget that you would sell for $400, selling it for $50.00 per month for a year? You just eliminated every customer who had a price objection to your widget. No one counts the cost, they only want the value in perpetuity.

For instance:
If you were able to sell 100 widgets at $50 per month for a year, today, I personally would give you $45,000 in exchange for the cash-flow. Now, I don't know about you, but anyone willing to pay $400 today, is willing to pay $50 a month for a year. And for those that are willing to pay cash today, so be it.

As long as your deliverable's perceived value over time exceeds the intrinsic time value of money, you win.. And you've created a cash-flow vehicle to lever as needed.

EX. Netflix streaming is $9.00 per month. What cash price would you pay today to have Netflix for the next five years? $540? Well, anyone who has Netflix today, will probably have it in five years via 9.00+/month so its a good question... And the answer is, not a soul, even those who could afford it, noone would shell out $540.00, $400, or even $200... The point is, they have a product that's not worth $400 today to anyone, but its worth 9.00/month (forever) to most. Do you know what kind of discount they give to cash customers who buy a year out? Zilch. And we at this forum know the dollar value of a subscriber, or at least should.

lol, I kind of got out of the way here, moral is.... Offering terms can allow you to generate more Dollar value while delivering the same value proposition to the same customer. Your $400 widget could be sold for $800. $400 down and $20/month for 20 months. Then sell that $400 in future earnings to me for $200 on the same day lol

I'm Out,

3PM



On the contract comments I just read before submitting....

If you can't get a contract or signature on a PO or order form, Then get a Legible view of their ID card. Also, have in your Disclaimer page on your website that any Legal disputes are settled in YOUR state/territory/county/district or whatever... Done and done. Small claims, they won't show, summary judgment for principle+cost's+interest, sell the judgment, get profit.
 
How Can I spam a non paying clients website?

I did graphic design work and he is refusing to pay, stating he has other priorities first.

I was thinking of running 200k blog comments on Fiverr using his URL.

Any other suggestions?

Don't you have a small claims court over there? That's what I'd use here I'm the UK. You probably have the agreement in writing (email)?
 
So sometimes when somebody ask me for free review for my service, after finishing my work the person disappeared, not write the review and use my work...This is so unfair and happens all the time!
 
I'm wondering about our plaintiffs age on this one... Grown folks would come up with more pain inflicting punishment if they were wanting to be dubious. Bad SEO? lmao.. I'd own their house, mortgage, and credit debt. I would have the sheriff seize their computers to pay the debt off.
 
i had a response on how to handle this, but the system won't let me post it, or a link to a book that would help you.

sorry, I tried.
 
How Can I spam a non paying clients website?

I did graphic design work and he is refusing to pay, stating he has other priorities first.

I was thinking of running 200k blog comments on Fiverr using his URL.

Any other suggestions?

I used to have a design company and people didn't always pay me what they owed.

Don't do negative SEO else it just ends up in outright war.

For future use always charge 50% deposit and make sure you are in profit just from the deposit.

Unless it is a huge sum of money contracts are usually costly to enforce.

It is better to have a term in your agreement that copyright does not pass over to the client unless payment is received in full.

If you already have that in your agreement great, you simply enforce copyright breach, if not you say to this specific client you haven't handed it over yet. It is not validly transferred under US law unless you do so in writing.

see http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf

Either way you can write to the client and point out his copyright infringement, that it is illegal and carries with it potentially significant consequences and if he does not pay you within 7 days you will enforce it by instigating a DMCA takedown notice on his site.

For more info see

http://sarafhawkins.com/how-to-file-a-dmca-takedown-notice/

Most people see that email and specifically the sentence "DMCA takedown notice on his site" which you must include, don't have a f**king clue what you are talking about and think you can have their site taken down. They do a bit of research see the huge fines that can be imposed for each instance of copyright breach under DMCA, and unless it is a huge sum of money they owe you (in which case you need to go to court) s**t themselves and pay up.

I used to operate a very Blackhat method of making money with DMCA notices but that is another story... :)
 
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I would not suggest negative SEO. rather take it as learning ( if the amount is not in thousands) and move forward with upfront payment for your next project.

You can also use escrow method in future.
 
With design or coding, I always use the 30/30/40 rule - Client pays 30% upfront, 30% on completed proof/working code, 40% on completed project hand over.
 
Send unlimited queries with a VPS and send a lot of fake traffic to the site! It's like DDos and it's illegal, so I think it's illegal what is doing your cutomer.
 
How about he just get the person's contact info via some super savvy web sleuth and have the guy served a complaint for costs + fee's + interest? Absent a contractual rider that stipulates otherwise, deals that are made exclusively over the internet give subject matter jurisdiction to whichever Civil Court has general jurisdiction over the complainants legal residence.

BOOM-ShAKA-LAKA


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I had that mentality... Until I learned about two separate things, and how they work together.

1. DCF valuations and commercial credit.

2. Perceived Value.

1. Discounted cash flow is when you project how much revenue will come in, in the future (P.O.'s, A.R.'s and subscription income) minus historically budgeted subscription churn, then discount that amount based on the time value of money, current LIBOR, your credit etc... which hopefully brings you to a pretty accurate valuation of that income, if you had it today... "how much would you take today, to forgo that money in the future?"... Then use your DCF as collateral to secure revolving or installment debt. (just like PO and AR financing). I use these credit facilities from specific future earnings to grow other future earnings at a rate that exceeds the financed discount & interest. boom :)

2. Perceived value, on the other hand, is a customer-centric metric. When used in conjunction with the time value of money, you can sell a lot more dollar volume based on perceived value and time while delivering the same amount of product.

Say you sell widgets... You will make a widget for someone for $400. Thats your price, but you need that money before you start. As soon as you said $400.00, you set a value and term... $400, and now. The customer either acknowledges the value and buys, or doesn't. Now, does the customer have a higher perceived value for the widget over time? YEP. EVERY TIME.

When making the value proposition, creativity is what increases value to YOU (and possibly the customer). you could demand $600, or $1,600 or whatever, just hoping to get your $400. But do you want big money corporate clients? Better have NET30. Now then, how many widgets will you not be able to sell simply because the prospect only has $300? $200? What is it worth to the customer for you to be willing to take $300 or $200 today, and more in the future? What is the future value of the $300 widget to the customer? The "Time-Value perception"?. Like $20 per month for a year? (that's $540 total) Or a widget that you would sell for $400, selling it for $50.00 per month for a year? You just eliminated every customer who had a price objection to your widget. No one counts the cost, they only want the value in perpetuity.

For instance:
If you were able to sell 100 widgets at $50 per month for a year, today, I personally would give you $45,000 in exchange for the cash-flow. Now, I don't know about you, but anyone willing to pay $400 today, is willing to pay $50 a month for a year. And for those that are willing to pay cash today, so be it.

As long as your deliverable's perceived value over time exceeds the intrinsic time value of money, you win.. And you've created a cash-flow vehicle to lever as needed.

EX. Netflix streaming is $9.00 per month. What cash price would you pay today to have Netflix for the next five years? $540? Well, anyone who has Netflix today, will probably have it in five years via 9.00+/month so its a good question... And the answer is, not a soul, even those who could afford it, noone would shell out $540.00, $400, or even $200... The point is, they have a product that's not worth $400 today to anyone, but its worth 9.00/month (forever) to most. Do you know what kind of discount they give to cash customers who buy a year out? Zilch. And we at this forum know the dollar value of a subscriber, or at least should.

lol, I kind of got out of the way here, moral is.... Offering terms can allow you to generate more Dollar value while delivering the same value proposition to the same customer. Your $400 widget could be sold for $800. $400 down and $20/month for 20 months. Then sell that $400 in future earnings to me for $200 on the same day lol

I'm Out,

3PM



On the contract comments I just read before submitting....

If you can't get a contract or signature on a PO or order form, Then get a Legible view of their ID card. Also, have in your Disclaimer page on your website that any Legal disputes are settled in YOUR state/territory/county/district or whatever... Done and done. Small claims, they won't show, summary judgment for principle+cost's+interest, sell the judgment, get profit.

All your rambling has absolutely nothing to with the OP, nor the text you quoted.
Keep it relevant son.
 
Absent a contractual rider that stipulates otherwise, deals that are made exclusively over the internet give subject matter jurisdiction to whichever Civil Court has general jurisdiction over the complainants legal residence.

This is a total load of crap.
 
This is a total load of crap.

Actually its not a "load of crap"... Without a contract that says other wise, subject matter jurisdiction can be had in whatever jurisdiction the work is accomplished. #learn the law #100+ lawsuits won #never lost


All your rambling has absolutely nothing to with the OP, nor the text you quoted.
Keep it relevant son.

I was responding to all the folks who suggest that a viable business means "getting paid before you do any work"... which is rubbish.
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I see that you're in Florida and I assume that your client does as well. You can always threaten to take him to small claims court but first send him a demand for payment letter by certified mail.

This is good advice. When my clients don't pay, I send them a reminder. If they don't pay after the reminder, I send them a 'final reminder' mentioning that if payment isn't transfered within a few days I will take them to a small claims court. It has never gone beyond that. After mentioning court, I've always gotten paid.

Like many others have mentioned, negative SEO is not the way, though I understand the temptation to do it.
 
OP dont be so good. There is lot of way to get your money. :evil::evil:
 
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