Nelson Mandela R I P

Methuselah said:

Yes, what I'm saying that he was a terrorist, and he was imprisoned for good reason. Those were two unconnected points. Being a freedom fighter would never justify murder. It doesn't work for Al-Quaeda so it can't work for Nelson Mandela. It's funny how those small details like mass murder get airbrushed out of history.

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ltrading said:

Clearly you are commenting out of ignorance. I suggest you educate yourself a little bit more on his life and all he did before & after those events before making statements like this...

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Nigel Farage said:

That, and his alliance with the Soviet Union in order to get weapons from them alienated his cause from the western world and may have delayed the dissolution of Apartheid.

I read the wikipedia article and see no reference to murder or terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

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Goal Line Technology said:

[FONT=&amp]I am shocked at some of the narrow-mindedness of some of the posters in this thread,
in fact I am appalled at the lack of respect, and pathetic attempt to tarnish the impact that this human being on modern history.[/FONT]


[FONT=&amp]I refuse to stoop to your level to argue about the why's and wherefore's,
and instead respectfully request that as you grow older and wiser,
and endure some mature and meaningful life experiences,
you will come to realise the importance of this simple yet powerful sentence, (highlighted below)

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[FONT=&amp]The humility and mindfulness of his actions is relevant to the macro world at large,
but many of the lessons have an immortal impact on our own micro environmental experiences.[/FONT]


[FONT=&amp]Nelson Mandela - in the face of great adversity - chose reconciliation over retaliation and retribution.[/FONT]

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Nigel Farage said:

That, and his alliance with the Soviet Union in order to get weapons from them alienated his cause from the western world and may have delayed the dissolution of Apartheid.

I read the wikipedia article and see no reference to murder or terrorism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

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Nigel Farage said:

And yet you fail to make a single point here. I think it's more likely that it's you that is the ignorant cheerleader, blindly celebrating the life of a person that you know nothing about. You don't like having your illusions shattered, and so you attempt to suppress someone else's speech in an effort to remain ignorant.

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ltrading said:

My deepest apologies, perhaps you could enlighten me as to the point I was supposed to make here? I guess I deluded myself into thinking that I had already made my point when I made the suggestion to EDUCATE YOURSELF.

I lived through the changes in the country, along with having family that were involved in the struggle, the army & police. I guarantee my 'cheerleader' attitude is not based in ignorance, and your sad little rants (on a thread paying respect to the man) have not shattered anything.

I have no interest whatsoever in getting into an argument or justifiying myself to some faceless genius on an online forum. Dont worry though, I'm sure your mom thinks you're as clever & funny as you seem to think you are. But I dont, and I wont be wasting anymore time on you...

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bertbaby said:

Dead on and as to the haters stating that we are blind cheer leaders my family came from South Africa and I had a vested interested in seeing a peaceful resolution to the apartheid state. I for one was glad that South Africa did not degenerate into a vicious race war and we can thank Mandela for that. Like I said in my earlier post Mandela grew while he was in prison rather than turning into a rancid, bile filled hater monger like Hitler.

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Goal Line Technology said:

The humility and mindfulness of his actions is relevant to the macro world at large, but many of the lessons have an immortal impact on our own micro environmental experiences. Nelson Mandela - in the face of great adversity - chose reconciliation over retaliation and retribution.

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When Belgian rule ended, most of the land and power were in the hands of Tutsi while the Hutu were in positions of forced laborers, or Akazi. The presence of the colonialists emboldened the ruling Tutsi against the Hutus, who then proceeded to independently embark on a genocidal massacre against their fellow countrymen when the Belgians started to give up power.[12] Following independence, the Hutu were in control and heavy violence between Tutsi and Hutu continued. Exiled Tutsi would attack from neighbouring countries and the Hutu government would retaliate with large-scale slaughter and repression of the Tutsi.

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Amin's rule was characterised by human rights abuse, political repression, ethnic persecution, extrajudicial killings, nepotism, corruption, and gross economic mismanagement. The number of people killed as a result of his regime is estimated by international observers and human rights groups to range from 100,000[1] to 500,000.[2]

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Methuselah said:

So you are saying that what he did before he had those people murdered, and after he had them murdered, justifies murdering them?

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Nigel Farage said:

Some people here are "paying respects to the man", while others are giving a more balanced perspective, and describing some of his history that does not get mentioned in the popular media, a history that has been suppressed for the sake of political and social expediency.

Leadership is by example, and so when someone demands that someone else "educate themselves", it's assumed that they are making the suggestion from a position of superior awareness. Given the "Yo Mama" comment, that's obviously not the case here. You seem to think that the standard for increased "education" doesn't apply to you. Perhaps you've been benefiting from affirmative action for so long that you believe that there are no standards that you are required to achieve, and that you can simply make things happen by making a childish and self-centered demand. I assume that when this fails to achieve desired results, you then resort to epithets, name-calling, social marginalization and accusations. All of these are distractions and a means of socially redirecting attention away from the true deficits that cannot be hidden here, in a universe comprised of nothing but text and intellect.

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ltrading said:

I wont be wasting anymore time on you...

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