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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sprice, May 20, 2012.

  1. sprice

    sprice Regular Member

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    So here's the deal. I have a site... www.fitnessmale.com This is the site I want to make my life earnings off of. Some of my sites that I want to be like are www.mensfitness.com , www.bodybuilding.com , www.muscleandstrength.com etc... Basically I'm trying to build an authority site in the male fitness niche.

    My current big method of traffic generation is using TweetAdder to follow and unfollow users hoping to get reciprocal follows. I also have TweetAdder send a direct message to every Twitter follower I get asking them to like me on Facebook. I then post daily Facebook posts and Twitter tweets to try and drive traffic from these sources to my site.

    This method is working to get traffic to my site... but it's not working fast enough.

    What are some other creative ideas to boost my sites traffic? I don't want to write articles and try to rank other content in the serps. The only content I want to write and rank is content which goes on my site. I don't want to pay for traffic either.

    I'm sure there's got to be a creative way to use social marketing or some other outlet to push more targeted traffic to my site. Maybe some of you have some good ideas for me that I haven't thought of?

    Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Scott
     
  2. captchadreams

    captchadreams Power Member

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    google adwords and other PPC networks with vouchers.

    setup google alerts and use google reader to see what other sites/forums are posting daily in your niche and post replies with links to your articles.

    also might be better if posting on forums that allows edits.. to make a quality post and go back a few weeks later and edit in your link.. after the post has been buried a little bit. or if it's a forum based solely on your niche.. make an account and do some quality posts and eventually add your link to your sig space.
     
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  3. sprice

    sprice Regular Member

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    I've actually considered doing some forum posting before to try and drive some traffic. I just wasn't sure if the amount of traffic I got out of it would be worth the time put into it. I'm gonna have to give it a try for a while and see what I can make of it.
     
  4. captchadreams

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    I have not really done it either.. I think the main point of it.. is for a little bit of short term traffic.. but also to build links pointing back to your site for SEO purposes.

    there's a thread on here with the whole method outlined by one of the more reputable members in the make money section.
     
  5. rentahit

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    I don't have any free traffic advice for you, but I can tell you that I don't think you'll be making big figures with that site. You've just entered one of most competitive niches on the Internet, with a very generic website, your alexa rank is 10,031,057... Unless you have $$$$$ to spend on seo, articles, services, server capacity and other shit, you're not going to make it.

    How about this:

    Turn to paid traffic. PPV for instance, offer freebie for optin, and monetize with offers on both front and back end + email sequence mixed with offers and quality information to keep and bank of your subscribers. You can use your authority site to brand the entire campaign + all the emails for more credibility and higher conversions. Use exit pops to get the most out of every click.

    Think about it.
     
  6. psytrance

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    pretty nice website... those pics in homepage are gold :)

    you should promote your site on forums related to body building... also, like another member mentioned you should use google alerts with as many keywords as you can find related to body building... and of course, surely do PPC.

    since your main promotion is twitter, can you tell me how much are you banking with twitter traffic?
     
  7. caitlin

    caitlin Junior Member

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    You need to open a Pinterest account and pin a bunch of pictures of the hot guys to your pinboard. Chicks go nuts over these pictures and they will re-pin all your photos (links) everywhere.. then the guys that go to these chicks Pinterest boards to have a look and see what this chick is into will find all these hot guys...Guys will look where the picture came from to see if it is a picture of an X or some guy she is getting boned by, then they will discover your fitness site and forget about the chick.
     
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  8. caitlin

    caitlin Junior Member

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    PS It is not cool to post your website links in here for the sake of getting traffic off of BHW members.. We may be spammers but we don't shit in our own playground.
     
  9. sprice

    sprice Regular Member

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    Thanks, I'll have to try and find that.


    Thanks for the advice. The niche may be competitive, but competitive niches are where the money and traffic are at. This site is my passion so I know it'll be a big site... I have what it takes to make it happen.

    I'm going to consider your PPV email idea as it sounds like a really good set-up and would be a great way to both build an email list and make good money at the same time.


    Forum promotion is something I'm gonna look into and see if the time spent is worth the results I get. I need to look into Google alerts as well. I've heard a lot about it but honestly I've never given it a second thought, I think that's what I'm going to do tomorrow.

    I'm not making any money off of Twitter traffic yet. I've only been using TweetAdder for maybe 2 weeks now and only have about 500 followers so far.


    Hmmm... that's an interesting idea. The reason I hadn't used Pinterest before is because I knew it was mostly females. I'm not sure how many guys would actually end up looking at my pinterest board full of guys photos though... let alone see what the website of a board full of half-naked guys is about.


    Obviously my goal was to get some added untargeted traffic to boost my stats a little for the day, cause that really means anything.... you caught me...
     
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  10. madsem

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    Don't want to sound negative or so, but you should seriously consider hiring a good web designer if this site is your passion and add some more functionality to it, is it even possible for people to sign up somewhere? is there a community feature of some sort? Wasn't able to find anything in this direction...

    Your posts are really short, contain only one featured image, no further images that showcase how to do the excersises you're writing about, no videos I could find etc etc.
    If you really want this site to be huge and make your life's earnings with it, you should consider making a great custom design, add a lot of community features and write much longer and more detailed posts.
     
  11. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    almost no backlinks
    some icons are cut in half
    too much whitespace on some pages
    overall thing looks cheap, generic and pointless
    the gallery is completely inappropriate and it's on every single page
    is it about "male fitness" or sexy pictures of women for fapping?
    what's your target demographic? micro-niche is the name of the game here
    if middle age, then you should focus on nutrition first
    all the stock photos look like stock photos used from other generic, cheap and pointless websites
    get rid of all ads. You've got no business putting ads on a PR0 web page. That's just stupid.
    whatever you are doing with twitter & FB isn't working.
    did I mention no backlinks?
    what are your 3 primary kw's? tits? big tits hot chicks with nice tits? muscle dudes and hot chicks?
    the "how to do exercises" was a good idea, but the graphics are laughably dumb.
    That should be a primary focus on the 1st page, but use good graphics or models.
    you could set up mobile interface and have people store their workout data on your site.
    They do X sets of Y reps of Z exercises, record them on your website, you show them stats. Graphs, charts, calories burned, etc...
    track their schedule, when they eat, what they eat, when they workout, etc.. and send email blasts, tweets, IM's etc... as reminders "Workout upper body today at 7:00 pm"

    You've got to give people something that they want.
    What do they want?
    What do you have that they would want? Pretty girls are dime a dozen. Muscle-bound dudes are found on any homo website.
    Orange, non-descript text sucks. You need some kind of branding. If the site is going to be gay then make it gay, otherwise make it straight. Right now it's both, and Bi is gay, and don't let any gay tell you different because they are gay and what would they know about what straight men think.

    I also think it's a bad idea to center your focus on what you want your website to be "like". You are doomed to failure at that moment, because anything you want to be like makes you site a pale imitation, and who's going to go there when they could go to the original. You want to be something OTHER web sites want to be "like", otherwise your just a loser trying to copy a winner (and failing).

    So there's your "creative traffic" idea. Give the traffic a reason to go to your site.
     
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  12. caitlin

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    Then if it does not mean anything, why post your URL's?? What part of "We don't shit in our playground" don't you understand?

    If you have never gone through a chicks facebook account to see who she hangs with, who her x bf was, how hot her friends are... then you are obviously not into chicks. You also obviously don't know how Pinterest works, you click the photo and it takes the person doing the clicking to your website. You also get to put a title on the image...
     
  13. caitlin

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    Who ever said spammers did not know how to build a quality website???

    Nice post Nigel, Bravo!!!
     
  14. sprice

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    I was going with shorter posts to try and keep readers attention to actually read the whole thing, but you might be right. Maybe I should make them longer and more detailed with more photos.

    I plan to eventually have a database of all exercises having their own 10 sec. video showing how to do 3 reps of the exercise with proper form, I just haven't bought a video camera and started this yet.

    I don't have the money right now to hire a web designed to do the site. I'd like to start making a small income from the site first and then do this.

    The community features idea I like a lot... I need to think about how I can make the site more interactive.


    Some of the icons are cut because some of the pictures are much taller than they are wide or vice versa. I know that I need to fill out the white space more, I need to figure out what to put in to do that, I need more sidebar items.

    The gallery on the sidebar may be too much, I might consider taking it down. The gallery page isn't pointless though, mensfitness.com which is a hugely popular and widely known site has an entire gallery section as well. My target demographic is young men who are into weight lifting and 95% of this guys get into so that they can get more beautiful women. The gallery is something they want to see.

    I don't see what the PR has to do with the advertisments?

    I don't have primary keywords for the site. I'm trying to design the site with 100% the user in mind, not keywords. After what you've said I might consider focusing more on keywords though and trying to rank for certain ones... that's probably the traffic source I'm looking for right there. I just don't want to be paying for backlinks at the moment though.


    I understand the concept, I just don't see pinterest as a big place right now where guys go to stalk girls... facebook still takes that one. I don't really know of any guys in my demographic to ever check out pinterest for any reason.




    Thanks for all of the advice I've received so far... I'm taking it all to consideration.
     
  15. williamk

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    Why not hire some forum posters and get some good posts in some high traffic forums. It sure works for me. And you can also try youtube and if you are daring enough, try torrents spamming.
     
  16. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    Okay so look. If you had said something like, "I'm playing around with this site as a hobby in my spare time and it's just for fun." I would translate that down to "whatever" and my response to that would be "whatever" and you'd get my "whatever" opinion(s) which would be based on my personal philosophy that I do not put more energy into someone else's situation than they are willing to do, but you've not said it like that. What you've said is that this is (more or less) intended to be your life's work (or income, whatever) meaning "IMPORTANT" so you get my full-on, 100% opinion that (to my thinking) is at the same level of "seriousness" as you are about your website.

    Having said that, while it's good that you are "taking it all in" (which tbh is better than most people can do), at the same time you should seriously also take into account that the weakest link in your business plan is YOU. Other more knowledgeable people are giving you serious, hard-core opinions and you assume to be qualified to evaluate those opinions. This next part isn't aimed at you, but I see the dynamic all the time, and I am going to describe it to you as "the thing you need to watch out for" because unless someone spells it out, you might make he "classic blunder" of falling into this dynamic, which can result in the degradation of your future success.

    What I see many other people that are novices soliciting the opinions of experts is they dumb-down those expert opinions to the most basic and retarded level and call it "input", when the glaringly obvious fact to those that know is that it's only "input" to the idiot being given the knowledge because 1) they aren't smart enough to understand what they've been told and 2) are arrogantly stupid in their belief of their own adequacy. They are too stupid to know that they are stupid. That's called arrogance, and this is the "classic blunder". I am expert in certain areas, and I see this CONSTANTLY, and my 100%, absolutely disciplined and never make an exception response when I detect this level of stupidity is to stop ALL assistance to the offending party immediately, unless they pay me money in which case then, and only then am I willing to again make the benefit of my knowledge, time & energy. Some people are only able to value something when they actually pay for it, and the only thing you can do for those people is make them pay, otherwise they hear your knowledge, dumb you down to their level, then dismiss that knowledge for having come from someone that they have reduced. Note that in the beginning of the process, the expert's opinion was solicited because it was expert and they didn't have a clue. After you give them a clue, they forget what life was like when they were stupid. Worse than assuming they've risen to an expert's level, they have made the extraordinary step of dumbing the expert down to theirs.

    So, that's your danger. You don't know jack. Not your fault, but you don't know jack. You really don't. So don't waste time explaining the "why" of things, nor of talking about your finances as if your bank balance somehow mitigates the fact your mediocre website has no traffic. Your funds haven't got shit to do with your traffic. Your traffic sucks because your website sucks, and if you had 3 million dollars in the bank and a blond on each arm your website would STILL suck. The fact you attempt to "explain" things only underlines your resistance to the idea that your website sucks and the consequence of that is to discourage anyone that has a clue from telling you the truth.

    So, do you want the truth, or do you demand people cater to your ego by pretending that you are an "equal partner" in an illusionary relationship instead of a below-average student getting advice from people that know better. Your real future depends upon which decision you make. This is a red pill/blue pill moment, and I'd advice you to get up, walk away from the computer and think about this one, and I mean right now.

    Continued.

    PR0 means NOTHING. It's a NOTHING website. An 8 yo girl scout can put up a PR0 website. I took a PR0 website and got it to PR1 in about 30 days. It says something about your site, and it says something about YOU. You can't (because you didn't) make your PR0 website a PR1 website. Yet, you arrogantly believe that it can withstand the negative impact in traffic by placing ads on it and creating the negative "spam effect" on a site that doesn't even have any goddam traffic. That's (as I mentioned earlier) just about the stupidest thing you could do in terms of telling the world what your site is about (a crappy site with ads on it) and you (someone that has no clue whatsoever what your site tells people about it and you). So, here I am giving you a clue, and after the 1st iteration you are still clueless. This is a HUGE blind spot, and is my first supporting point on the first thing I said. You aren't qualified to evaluate expert opinions. This is not "input", this is REALITY, and anything that doesn't have immediate resonance with you as TRUTH ought to be a big, bright red waving flag telling you about a problem you have with you.

    And you missed/failed to address my most important points. Why would someone go to your website? You can't say. If you can't say, the hello? you website is going to reflect that absence. "Welcome to www.noreasontocomehere.com". That's your REAL URL, and it's going to stay that way until you can start to answer that question.

    And, after I posted my post, you still go back to those other website, "explaining" why your unacceptable areas should stay, because "other websites are doing it". Well, those other web-sites suck, and it sounds to me like your highest aspiration is to become a pale imitation of websites that suck. I wouldn't go there, No one I know would go there. You can think others might go there, but your opportunity doesn't lie with competing with suck-ass websites for the suck-ass traffic of people that are stupid enough to go to them. Your economic opportunities lie with soliciting traffic from people (like me) that would REJECT those websites because they suck. But no, you, expert that you are, choose instead to COPY that shit. Sorry, but the only word to explain that is stupid. Like I said, red pill/blue pill. Do you want to be stupid for the rest of your life, and wondering why your lame-ass, pale imitation of a "major" and shitty website can't generate any traffic no matter how many spammy, manipulate and "tricky" blackhat techniques you waste time & money on, or do you instead want real success that happens naturally and honestly because you are giving something to people that they cannot find anywhere else?

    It's an either/or choice, as am I. Pick one.
     
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  17. Nigel Farage

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    And also, your 20 somethings don't have any money to buy thousands of dollars of home weightlifting equipment. Fat, balding old men want to know that if they pay $500 for dietary supplements (guaranteed not to have adverse side-effects with Viagra) their "organ" will impress 22 year old college girls and they might yet again find happiness since his fat wife divorced him and married the roofing contractor. Maybe you want to sell to 20-somethings because you are one, and you feel like you understand them? That notion has some validity, but I think you market based on the money and not who your peers are.

    I have a 30-something client, single guy that makes 6 figures. He dumps 5 of those figures into buying crap he doesn't really need online. Has it delivered by truck to his door, and the first time he ever sees it is when he uncrates it. You want to figure out how to market to THAT guy. "Men's Health" ought to include Golden Seal-like products. There's a lot of guys out there living a double life. White collar by day and hard-core pothead by night. Helping that micro-niche to keep their 6 figure jobs and avoiding coming up dirty on a piss-test falls under the heading of "Men's Health". Also falls under the heading of "Profitable".
     
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    Nigel - please dude go back to wherever you come from... LOL (jk)
     
  19. sprice

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    Glad Nigel got banned haha... what a stupid ass response.

    Any real suggestions?
     
  20. psytrance

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    LOL... ahahah he probably smoked some serious shit and login to bhw.

    Mate, some tip for you... even if you dont know shit about SEO trust me its not that hard. And if you can write good content why not make some little optimization and rank for long tailed stuff?!
     
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