My thoughts on the algorithm and smm panels

KairosFx said:
Imagine i've great content , good quality videos, with good mixage with filmora or other

normal person will up 2 videos/day for 4-5 months and if he haven't any view or like 10-20 videos

what is the solution ?
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Its because your not making the right videos. simple as that. whats your impressions and ctr? you not going to randomly get views out of nowhere on a new channel. you need to start doing keyword research and optimize for low competitive keywords. if not then you need to study the suggested algorithm. you basically make similar videos to people much larger than you, and depending on your ctr and relevancy, theres a chance of getting suggested off of those channels videos. there is a reason why im seeing a bunch of small youtubers with 100 subs making among us videos and then blowing up withing a few days.
 
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Russ Thomas said:
Its because your not making the right videos. simple as that. whats your impressions and ctr? you not going to randomly get views out of nowhere on a new channel. you need to start doing keyword research and optimize for low competitive keywords. if not then you need to study the suggested algorithm. you basically make similar videos to people much larger than you, and depending on your ctr and relevancy, theres a chance of getting suggested off of those channels videos. there is a reason why im seeing a bunch of small youtubers with 100 subs making among us videos and then blowing up withing a few days.
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my chanel is prety new and it's more like test chanel, it's right i'm making similar video like bigest chanel than my,
but for example i'm playing COD mobile i can't do very different thing maybe on thumbnail and title + mixage on the video

so you think it's bad to buy 4k WT + 1k sub to start ? if after this im doing organic grow ?
 
KairosFx said:
my chanel is prety new and it's more like test chanel, it's right i'm making similar video like bigest chanel than my,
but for example i'm playing COD mobile i can't do very different thing maybe on thumbnail and title + mixage on the video

so you think it's bad to buy 4k WT + 1k sub to start ? if after this im doing organic grow ?
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yes many people get their channel monetized first because youtube does cater to channels that will actually make them money. one method I have for you is if you're really in need for a "boost" for each video is just to use RAV views. but you must make the video only 30-60 seconds long as these people tend to have a short retention. these views are 100 percent real and are monetizable, but its only good for short videos. so, what you could do is make funny videos on popular trends like among us or twitch streamers and then see if you can make a video blow up, since youll have a really high retention with these views. but thats not garunteed as ctr and impressions is still the most important thing. but thats probably the only "smm panel" advice i can give since its considered real people.
 
KairosFx said:
Thank you for these advices :)

RAV view is view from ADS ?
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yes RAV views are from ads outside of youtube. they get registered as "other youtube features" in the traffic source. they would be your best bet, but then again only good for very short and funny videos. keep in mind you need a very good thumbnail and title on top of that
 
Thank you,

just an other question few day ago i've tried one smm panel, i don't know the exact service name but i was something like view from recomandation etc

actually i've checked the video stats i've 26.4% view from recomandation, and when i see the details of these view, they're coming from other gaming chanel , like real recomandation view ...

what do you think about this how it's possible ?
 
[ Suggested Video ] Youtube Views this is the service name non drop etc
i don't give the exact service name to not make publicity
 
KairosFx said:
[ Suggested Video ] Youtube Views this is the service name non drop etc
i don't give the exact service name to not make publicity
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they have a bot which can do this. after watching a video, they paste your link to your video. this is not the exact way of doing it, but they do have a bot for this. And i dont see the value in this if you cant choose the exact video you want to get recommended off of. and if they were real suggested views then impressions and CTR would be generated, which in this case it isnt since its botted traffic. therefor its a waste of money
 
what about view from ads? it can boost a little bit especially if you have high quality content
 
Russ Thomas said:
ads as in youtube ads?
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yes, some SMM panel that use adwords to give view, AFAIK it doesnt give you watch time, but the view count can boost, and sometimes people commenting, like or subscribing.
 
KairosFx said:
So what is the solution for a new channel ?

for gaming chanel for example it's like impossible to get ranked without doing anythink
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Bot views for gaming. Good luck ranking without that, lol.
 
Russ Thomas said:
I've been doing more tests and research and concluded a lot of things you all might find very valuable, and for some a good refresher.
1. Smm panel views are becoming more and more useless for getting suggested and ranked on YouTube. The reason for this is because with YouTube's new algorithmic updates, they highly prefer viewers that stay on youtube for as long as possible. Views from smm panels leave YouTube right after your video, what does this signal? This signals that your video isnt interesting and caused a "BAD User Experience" thus limiting the reach of your video.
2. Buying engagements is useless for videos in terms of getting suggested or ranked on YouTube. Why is this? The reason for this is because those botted accounts that are used for thousands of customers never watch the video. They send a request to the api link of the video to like it. This is a really bad signal because the algorithm knows its botted engagement; especially if the account never likes the video.
3. If you want to truly get suggested or ranked on a video, you need clicks from subscribers or people that see your video, its that simple. External traffic will not help you get suggested or ranked; maybe for low comp keywords, but even then its unlikely if that external traffic is coming from smm panels.
4. "You need to get as much views right when you upload a video to get ranked or suggested" This isn't a must for smaller channels. For large channels yes, because their subs must be active to show a good sign of subscriber engagement. But for small channels under 1k, as long as your subs engage with your video over time whether its a few days or a week and the metrics are great, (CTR, Retention and Watch time) then you have a great chance of getting suggested and ranked.

That's it for today, I have a lot more info but I want to make updates with you guys periodically since things are always changing every minute on this platform hahah. I know for some of you, this is nothing new, but I know there are still some people that are questioning whether smm panels are worth using and asking about HR views. If you guys have any questions or like to debate/discuss, feel free!
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Man if only someone can come up with a panel that actually subscribes then logs in as a subscribed user and clicks every new video you upload. I bet 1k of these views have better weight for ranking/suggestions than 10k of the same-old-same-old so called HR views. But yea SMM Panels these days suck and can't catch up to YT's algorithm updates.
 
jasondenzer said:
Man if only someone can come up with a panel that actually subscribes then logs in as a subscribed user and clicks every new video you upload. I bet 1k of these views have better weight for ranking/suggestions than 10k of the same-old-same-old so called HR views. But yea SMM Panels these days suck and can't catch up to YT's algorithm updates.
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Well, I don't want that. I better grind my ass off with doing this manually otherwise my competitors can buy the service and outrank me ;).
 
So far the SMM Panel that I'm using seems pretty useless as my videos are not even growing after I've boosted them as I'm noticing that organic traffic is doing better. I think it's key to learn how to rank your videos better with good search terms, titles, and thumbnails. Key up on this and you'll do just fine.

My other new channel just launched and is already doing better as my video wasn't botted and it's getting better organic traffic so it probably depends on your niche too when you're a new channel and how you rank those keywords.

I'm definitely going to stay away from botting unless it helps you get monetized with watchtime and subs.
 
Russ Thomas said:
I've been doing more tests and research and concluded a lot of things you all might find very valuable, and for some a good refresher.
1. Smm panel views are becoming more and more useless for getting suggested and ranked on YouTube. The reason for this is because with YouTube's new algorithmic updates, they highly prefer viewers that stay on youtube for as long as possible. Views from smm panels leave YouTube right after your video, what does this signal? This signals that your video isnt interesting and caused a "BAD User Experience" thus limiting the reach of your video.
2. Buying engagements is useless for videos in terms of getting suggested or ranked on YouTube. Why is this? The reason for this is because those botted accounts that are used for thousands of customers never watch the video. They send a request to the api link of the video to like it. This is a really bad signal because the algorithm knows its botted engagement; especially if the account never likes the video.
3. If you want to truly get suggested or ranked on a video, you need clicks from subscribers or people that see your video, its that simple. External traffic will not help you get suggested or ranked; maybe for low comp keywords, but even then its unlikely if that external traffic is coming from smm panels.
4. "You need to get as much views right when you upload a video to get ranked or suggested" This isn't a must for smaller channels. For large channels yes, because their subs must be active to show a good sign of subscriber engagement. But for small channels under 1k, as long as your subs engage with your video over time whether its a few days or a week and the metrics are great, (CTR, Retention and Watch time) then you have a great chance of getting suggested and ranked.

That's it for today, I have a lot more info but I want to make updates with you guys periodically since things are always changing every minute on this platform hahah. I know for some of you, this is nothing new, but I know there are still some people that are questioning whether smm panels are worth using and asking about HR views. If you guys have any questions or like to debate/discuss, feel free!
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What's your thoughts on using micro website than the smmpanel?
 
This is an old thread.
Now Russ is a YouTube wizard.
 
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