My Experience in buying PBN links

Iknowsomethings said:

Truth to be told if you have sizable PBN network its pretty easy to not catch that some PBN got hit. There are ways to automatize, yes, but still happens. So buyers should check what they are buying and ask for refunds in such cases.

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I have a really big network and I use SB + proxies to check indexing at least once a month / bi-weekly. It’s not that hard to keep up with it.

Iknowsomethings said:

A lot of people are bashing PBN links sellers in BHW marketplace, but let me tell you the truth - I have checked literally dozens of sellers from here, Fiverr, FB groups, Seoclerk... they are all bad. Literally, every single PBN i have been offered is total crap. Zero traffic, shitty link profile or NO LINKS AT ALL, links to bazillion shady websites (my link in the neighborhood of garbage collectors, clash of clans and Viagra links, how nice is that?), deindexed penalized PBNs and what not. And mind you I am not looking at cheap services.

Clients are to blame as well. Clients that want "the best price" and "40+ DA TF". So for the sellers is race to the bottom. $1 for link. What do you expect to get for that? Pulitzer content and on $500 auctioned domain? Yeaah, nope.

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Even at 12 dollars a link I would expect some movement on an easy keyword, but nada. Lol

For someone like me who have less experienced I admit that all those PBN with low cost are very attractive. I thought that the one more expensive was better but for me spemding that amount on something I won't be able to fully understand was not an option for the moment. From what I read , your saying that there's no difference sometimes...
What is the alternative? build my own one ?

swik said:

For someone like me who have less experienced I admit that all those PBN with low cost are very attractive. I thought that the one more expensive was better but for me spemding that amount on something I won't be able to fully understand was not an option for the moment. From what I read , your saying that there's no difference sometimes...
What is the alternative? build my own one ?

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Only 1 Golden rule in SEO, do everything yourself, trust no-one.

swik said:

For someone like me who have less experienced I admit that all those PBN with low cost are very attractive. I thought that the one more expensive was better but for me spemding that amount on something I won't be able to fully understand was not an option for the moment. From what I read , your saying that there's no difference sometimes...
What is the alternative? build my own one ?

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It's a chicken and egg situation that isn't just about PBNs.

Why buy a website - just build your own.
Why buy Web 2.0s - just build your own
Why buy content - just write your own
Why buy videos - just create your own
Why buy a logo - just design your own.

People either don't have the skillset to do any of these, don't have the budget to buy what's needed or don't have the time to do it themselves.

If you have the funds to buy 20 domains at $2 - $10k each and then sort out everything else, then go for it.

@MisterF your right. The thing is I really like to learn but I also know that there no end to that. I am not sure when I should focus on learn something new or paid someone and be more effective.

swik said:

@MisterF your right. The thing is I really like to learn but I also know that there no end to that. I am not sure when I should focus on learn something new or paid someone and be more effective.

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My suggestion would be to research, read guides and TUTS @lightningblitz I think did a good PBN guide, then put into practice what you've been reading.
Pick up some cheaper domains to start with.

Not only PBN links, a lot of different garbage is sold in the marketplace, you need to burn yourself a couple of times before finding something that works.

rinti said:

Have you gotten a manual penalty? Google wants you to show "effort" simply disavowing is not effort to them. They want the links gone.

Maybe you can lift a penalty only with disavowing, but the chances are not that high as you are dealing with humans.

The seller you tagged has obl equal/over 28(total site obl not homepage) but still one of the better ones, the best looking ones for sure(for me) Haven't bought recently so obl might have changed.

Haven't used your services and cannot comment.

To clarify I have stopped buying pbns altogether not just from BHW, outside it is even worse. So in general a lot of crap is sold, it is not a bhw thing, here a lot of threads are not even approved(good)

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A lot of crap is sold because buyers are cheap. I would say 90% of PBN links buyers feels like they are entitled to pay less than $8 a link. That doesn't even cover the content cost for a real PBN article.

T2tkid said:

I was shopping for PBN links for a client and took samples from a few sellers here. Check the links through semrush and ALL OF THEM has no single visitor/visit.
I was going to start a thread to know if a link from 10 PBNs with DA 40+ and no single visit per month, will push my site upward in SERP. I check some of the articles published on the pbn sites and they are not ranking on the top 200 for their TITLE.

Also, I purchased a PBN from a guy many months ago, and all the domain were deindexed!

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Of course, they don't. What do people expect? You get a PBN with 10's of OBLs from completely different niche, either spun/unreadable or simply an article that is a rehash of pure crap. Sellers don't care about scraped domains they purchased at $10 a pop. They'll just ride it out until the domains eventually get de-indexed, and start all over again. I've even seen PBN sellers copy/paste articles from my competitor, insert my link, sent me a blurred report and called it a day.

50cent said:

Guys, for those struggling with seo, it still isn't rocket science. Forget the BS pbn services and make your own.

1. Search domains related to your njche on expireddomains.net with decent metric.

Get domains that already have archived articles so that you can use the same articles on your new site. If the domain and the articles are still indexed then that's what you want to be buying.

Buy the domains under different names etc to avoid footprints.

2. If you are struggling for cash, find a bunch of free hosting providers and host the domains there. This will also give you ip diversity.

3. Set up the sites using archived articles. Even use the old design if necessary.

That's it, bob's your uncle! You have a bunch of sites on a shoestring ready to boost your site.

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Not everyone has the budget to build a network, let alone build a real, powerful network. What you wrote seems like rehearsed crap and I wouldn't be surprised if you had no idea or experience how to build a real network. You probably read one of these basic guides online and just re-worded what you read on here.

By the way, good luck finding strong, non-spammed domains in your own niche on expireddomains.net. I bet you had a lot of success

rinti said:

I've bought a lot of PBN links from here and have stopped now because a lot of the things said here are true.

Every batch of links(bar the rental ones) had at least a few domains deindexed in the first 4-6 months.

Most PBNs here have obl over 20 which is too much.

98% of the sold PBNs here have ZERO organic traffic.

Not saying they do not work, they do, but the results are usually not for a very long time, as when the pbns are deindexed it is all for nothing.

I cannot really report any of the sellers, they sell crap but the claims they made in the sales threads are correct(like strong domain etc. yes strong(links) but 0 organic traffic and spammed with sites from all niches)

A site of mine got manual penalty for PBN links and I asked one of the very popular sellers to remove the links, he said he will and did nothing.

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You can't expect to have seller keep his OBL lower than 20, make money and keep the site live forever. The only way to have that is to rent these links on a monthly basis and that's costly and most of the time a bad long-term investment for the buyer unless it's a real business making high margin.

MisterF said:

My suggestion would be to research, read guides and TUTS @lightningblitz I think did a good PBN guide, then put into practice what you've been reading.
Pick up some cheaper domains to start with.

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If you are going to build your own network, this is a solid advice. Buy cheap domains, test your stuff out and when you feel you "got it", go on a buy more expensive domains. I also think that the online guides are pretty basic stuff and some of them (footprints) are even not true.

PBN sellers are ominous by their absence. Can't imagine why

blinggam said:

I have a really big network and I use SB + proxies to check indexing at least once a month / bi-weekly. It’s not that hard to keep up with it.

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Good for you. Although there is a safe way to automatize this for pennies. I may write a guide for it, hm.

swik said:

For someone like me who have less experienced I admit that all those PBN with low cost are very attractive. I thought that the one more expensive was better but for me spemding that amount on something I won't be able to fully understand was not an option for the moment. From what I read , your saying that there's no difference sometimes...
What is the alternative? build my own one ?

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The problem with that is the cost again. A half decent PBN would cost you at least $50-60 for the first year (with expired domains, add at least $50 if auctioned) and like $20 per year after that. If you have 1 or 2 money websites, it doesn't make much sense to build a PBNs - cost wise is better to just buy links. The problem is where to find good links..

It is very helpful if you mention the name here...

can you pm me the seller? thx

I got it. Many sites are deindexed and some posts which are made in July still no index. use his service many times but now need to be careful . Some posts are repeated on same domain also.

This has got me worried. I only started ordering recently with many reports still not sent.

BlackBDO said:

You can see all of them in GWT, you look for links that match the anchors you asked the PBN provider to deliver.
Also if the seller wants to show only %, then, ask to see all metrics, and chose to see 10%, but at your choosing. (then you confirm the ones you've asked for matching the metrics, are good and indexed). That's how I do it with my PBN customers and tbh I never had problems of trust.

doing it this way, because of randomization, there is no way to deliver bad without risking to get caught. Also, in GWT you will see 100% anyway so...

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Could you PM me? I can't unfortunately send messages yet. I'd like to work with you on SEO if you have availability. Thanks man.

Sephrata said:

People should leave honest reviews, irrespective of experience. If the service does not meet your expectations, then you have ever right to query this with the service provider.



If by this you mean that posting a negative review of a service leads to that service provider negative SEO-ing your site, then I can say with confidence that the BHW staff have zero tolerance for this behaviour.

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If they can be 100% sure it was him. I had this happen when I asked for a refund from the market. It's not the mods fault but how can you prove it? I know because I only had one guy from here help with linking but it's just my word against his. I see it from both sides. Live and learn. Just know you can be risking your site when buying.

Th3 Canadian 3h said:

If they can be 100% sure it was him. I had this happen when I asked for a refund from the market. It's not the mods fault but how can you prove it?

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People leave leaky footprints on here all the time. It doesn't take much to find out who's behind what etc.

Th3 Canadian 3h said:

I know because I only had one guy from here help with linking but it's just my word against his. I see it from both sides. Live and learn. Just know you can be risking your site when buying.

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It doesn't matter if you think it's your word against his, you should report it and let the mods investigate.

Say one Market Place seller is negative SEO-ing anyone that writes a negative review, a pattern will emerge and the more people that report it, the more evidence there is. At some point the seller will either slip up, or there will be so many reports it's conclusive what that seller is doing.

Sephrata said:

People leave leaky footprints on here all the time. It doesn't take much to find out who's behind what etc.



It doesn't matter if you think it's your word against his, you should report it and let the mods investigate.

Say one Market Place seller is negative SEO-ing anyone that writes a negative review, a pattern will emerge and the more people that report it, the more evidence there is. At some point the seller will either slip up, or there will be so many reports it's conclusive what that seller is doing.

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I did bring it up, so I hope it helps future guys

Never use PBN links from BHW directly to your money site. Use buffers like Web 2.0 or parasites otherwise it'll tank your site.