My country is broke, corrupt, war-torn...

The US will secure the border in the next couple of years. People are not productive here any more. It's all about the easy way out. Most successful people are not afraid of hard work.This country is the best place to be free and create. Regardless of what you might think the USA is an enduring country and always will be. Stay here and put money into our economy. If you are in Mexico and a war breaks out you will be screwed dude.

CrabbyCommando said:

The OP is a perfect example of being more academic than educated.

Save your mommy and daddy's money, see the world and get a real education.

There aren't enough statistics to hide your ignorance or ungratefulness behind.

I have been in some of the worst places in the world at their worst times (Afghanistan, Bosnia, currently writing from Iraq for the 2nd time) and fantastic places throughout Europe and South America. As many others in posts above mine are trying to tell you, you have it pretty damned good.

Be grateful, quit your whining, and be a part of the solutions rather than running from the challenges.

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Ummm, wow. Please guys, read the whole thread. Just about everything you said CrabbyCommando, doesn't make sense. At all.

"The OP is a perfect example of being more academic than educated." First of all, I will defend statistics because ANYTHING, ANYTHING that you have ever done has been a statistic of some sort. For instance, just for visiting this site such "Statistics" such as bounce rate, pages/view, average time on site, and etc. etc. I'm sure have been recorded. Statistics is what make the world go 'round.

Secondly, how else am I supposed to present myself? Theories? Well those things are just heresay. Just blurt out random shit? Yes, I realize statistics aren't everything, but there something.

And, "Save your mommy and daddy's money." I moved out of my house the day I was 18, still in high school and started my own business. The business was dropshipping, was making enough to 'live,' but realized how much money there was in the internet marketing biz. Couldn't be happier. Oh, and PS, when I turned 12, my dad said if I ever wanted anything I needed a job.

A little more on this: Instead of spending the night over at my friends house, at age 12, I spent my summers from about 8AM - 2PM picking blueberries. By age 14 my dad opened a TDameritrade for me which I actually seen some success. And now, on top of going to school, running my own business, I intern for one of the bigger management consulting firms in the country.

You state, "There aren't enough statistics to hide your ignorance or ungratefulness." If you read the whole thread, you'll realize that although I realize I have life "pretty damn good," I want to help others that aren't quite as lucky as I am. In an above post I've pledged to die a person that has legitamitely helped hopefully millions of people. Is that really so "ignorant" and "ungrateful"?

Chronos said:

I want to help others that aren't quite as lucky as I am.

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"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

The realisation that capitalism/democracy is not the optimal form of governance for all is the first step on your journey.

no one has even mentioned what happens once you give up your citizenship...you can only be a certain limited time a year...you still pay taxes for 7 years or something...no driver license...the list goes on and on. if you have any friends or family in the u.s. that is one thing you need to consider.

My income from adsense would go a lot further in thailand.

voyevoda said:

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

The realisation that capitalism/democracy is not the optimal form of governance for all is the first step on your journey.

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I'm not going to give them fish, but rather teach them how to fish.

If you have Canada on your radar, its a good choice. You will live as close to an Americanized lifestyle without the political bullshit. One day, the U.S. is either going to go to war for major resource acquisitions, or its going to split up based on its polar views and crushing financial problems. OCD is a problem? what about those pesky foreign wars?

But, you better be prepared for our weather in Canada. Beautiful in the summer, not too hot, but the winters can be tough. Winter is both a blessing a curse. You are gonna be inside a lot of days in the winters but on the other hand, our winters clean the environment, renew everything, create a lot of fresh water, keep the crime rate down and the riff raff out.

I somewhat agree with what you are saying. I am patriotic as hell though.

I love our country, but dislike the government.

I like what jstrover said. You should re-read that. People with wisdom are often not listened to and he makes some good points.

The one thing I get mad about more then anything is people like you, that complain and bash on america. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, why don't you do something about it?

Here is an example, build a community online. People that believe the same as you do. Create an organization and stand up for something.

I think we could turn this place around. I have traveled a lot and I have seen better then this and worse, but this is yours. Stake claim on your country and stand up for something. That is just my opinion though, and before you say anything, yes I do a lot. I have a group, where we meet everyweek and do what we can for the community.

Another thing, and I hope this makes sense.

You have to have power to really change anything in America. Power = Money, so find a way to make yourself money and then get the power and change what you do not like. I could say a lot more, but that is about all I have time for.

I really hope either way that you find happiness wherever you end up.

Finish your education at the University, then visit Italy.

The beautiful county-sides, the vineyards, the architecture, the Venetian gondolas
and the Florentine art museums will take your mind off the gloom and doom.

Also, walk through Pompeii and be thankful that the US doesn't have a Mt. Vesuvius looming close by waiting to spew its corrective ash on the subject.

libn756 said:

Finish your education at the University, then visit Italy.

The beautiful county-sides, the vineyards, the architecture, the Venetian gondolas
and the Florentine art museums will take your mind off the gloom and doom.

Also, walk through Pompeii and be thankful that the US doesn't have a Mt. Vesuvius looming close by waiting to spew its corrective ash on the subject.

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Yes, the beautiful art will take your mind off Italy's multi-trillion dollar deficit and 116% of GDP spending.

tygrus said:

Yes, the beautiful art will take your mind off Italy's multi-trillion dollar deficit and 116% of GDP spending.

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... and the mafia, and the nationalist movements that have sprung up there. :captain:

these threads are funny, they show up once *every* year. and to repeat myself from the last thread like this... if you wanna get rich then start a relocation business, because nobody is happy anywhere!

take a tip from joe cossman... "before anyone moves anywhere, read the local newspapers first to get an idea of what you'll be jumping into."

it (mexico, costa rica, canada, new zealand, australia, thailand, paris,
london, panama) may not be the bed of roses that you dream it is.

rather it may turn out to be a hornet's nest of trouble.

Double.

Dazzler said:

Bud let's try not to make assumptions about other peoples lives you know nothing about

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It was not an assumption at all. You do have a computer.

Dazzler said:

I feel you on that, it's frustrating when theres so many wealthy people who do absolutely nothing to help others, while some of us want to but can't afford to. Seems the people who want to help others can't, and the ones who can don't.

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Maybe I should just reply with your own quote here:

Bud let's try not to make assumptions about other peoples lives you know nothing about

Regardless, it's not about what others do, it's about what you do.

If you REALLY wanted to help you would find a way. Just like you found a way to make money online? There is NO can't do.

There are millions of people who don't have electricity, running clean water and any kind of roof above their heads. There are millions of people earning no more than maybe a dollar per day.

Because you have a computer, you already belong to the wealthy group.
And because you are wealthy you can already help -- if that is your wish.

Chronos said:

... I live in the US.


I'm 21 years old and I realize that the US is fucked up. I don't know why everyone else, including some very very intelligent people, are ignoring all these very BIG problems within the United States. I feel like the US is slowly turning into the movie "Idiocracy"

I would like - no, I'm going to eventually - move out of here. I have to.

I'm sort of stuck right now. I'm going onto my 3rd year at a major university (Go Spartans!) and my family, whom I'm very close too, is in the United States. I'd also like to finish my BBA and then get my MBA, but this country might be so fucked up by then. So I don't know!

I have a friend that moved down to Mexico and LOVES it. He said the taxes are bullshit, but then again at least we know where it's all going. On top of that he says there are large opportunities down their. On top of being a free economy, you can produce stuff for ALOT cheaper than in the United States. Given his company runs operations in the US and Mexico, he's currently saved his company $500,000/year by replacing their paint supplier from the United States, with one in Mexico. And we're only talking about a $40mill in revenue a year company. An extra %1.25 turnover in the manufacturing business is HUGE.

Any other suggestions? Am I being too naive? Too pessemistic? Any good suggestions, or (constructive) criticism, let me know.

Just a bit more info to help on some advice, I'm making a good amount of income, enough to pay the bills, splurge a bit. About 6k/month give or take a few K. I have no outstanding debt. So alot more options may be open.

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All I can say if F*CK YOU big time and F*CK your friend. Go to Mexico and have fun. If the land was so free and full of opportunity would all those poor (I mean poor as in deprived of human rights, not financially which is also a sad state for them) then why the hell would people be willing to brave hundreds of miles of hostile terrain and desert to get into the US?

If you are so damn smart, so damn accomplished at $6k/month (living at home with mommy and daddy) then why don't you do me and all of us USA lovers and war-torn supporters a favor. Why not you take $600 and buy some boots, a backpack, stuff it with water, caffeine pills, and some rations and start off somewhere...let's say Arizona. Then cross the border into Mexico.

That might give you a different angle on the quality of life and "taxes" you are being so raped on here in the USA. Oh, the USA will still be here to save your ass when you decide to come back from Mexico.

You fucking people make me sick. The grass is always greener on the other side huh? Post to us in 6 months from Mexico and tell us how it's going. Save $500,000 a year due to corruption and fucked up human rights laws in a country that is known to be run by drug cartels, yeah, that's really showing us a higher road to take.

"War torn"? Oh God, give me a break. If Mexico ain't "Torn" then what planet are you living on...or am I living on?

last year i read an article about singer alan jackson that featured a dozen pictures of his house. people were posting comments about how he should be giving to charities because he was successful.

isn't it interesting how people with money are automatically expected to take care of those without?

i seriously wonder if this is what's wrong with society today, ie people expecting others to take care of their problems, just because they are in a position to do so. i also wonder if this is one of the reasons why the wealthy tend to stay with their own.

The second Holy Roman Empire will end in ruin just as the first did. In our lifetimes? Quite possibly, within the next 100 years? Most definitely!

Weelll, it's endless to argue where would it be best to live...

I'd never move to US for good. I love to visit there for work and vacation, it's a great country in many ways, but wouldn't want to actually live there for longer. (I live currently in Finland, by the way)... Grass is indeed always greener on the other side, but somehow I find many Americans (not all, ofc) saying that US is no doubt the best country in the world. End of discussion. ...I just hate that kind of arrogance.

The Scarlet Pimp said:

last year i read an article about singer alan jackson that featured a dozen pictures of his house. people were posting comments about how he should be giving to charities because he was successful.

isn't it interesting how people with money are automatically expected to take care of those without?

i seriously wonder if this is what's wrong with society today, ie people expecting others to take care of their problems, just because they are in a position to do so. i also wonder if this is one of the reasons why the wealthy tend to stay with their own.

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That is so true. It's like hey you made it!...now what can you do for me? Just because someone becomes successful doesn't mean they need to take care of those who are not. It's the mentality that follows IM as well. As soon as someone says I made some money!...people comment "how did you do it?".

You asked if you are being naive, I say absolutely.

You are in an environment right now that breeds this kind of thinking. You are in an environment that is hell bent on teaching you to hate the very country that people die to try to get to and die for on a daily basis whether you believe in our wars or not.

Maybe you should get out of college and join the Marines. That'll put a little pride and fight in ya.

To OP, Well, You can have millions of Problems with your Country, And Who is Responsible for that? Its You guys the citizens of US are responsible for that.. World Media Say, America Has Strongest Democracy? Do they Really Have? I don't think so.

Why America is in this situation? Because, Your Countrymen Let your Politicians become multi-billionaire and kept themselves as Audiences watching Movie in a Theater.

Why US becoming weaker and weaker compare to Other Country? Because, US foreign Policy is to make other countries Weaker than US, And for making this sure, they have become weaker themselves.

Every Country in the World Having Internal Problems. Which country doesn't?

But After all its your Country where you born. So, Love your Country and provide your best possible support for your Country. One thing is for sure, If every single responsible Citizens follow their own responsibilities and be 100% passionate about their Motherland, Then That Nation can over come any kinda problem no matter what...

Leaving your motherland to find out a better future can give you success, But you won't be feeling happy inside because, You can't do anything for your country by sitting outside..