Music Streaming Business

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

Hey all,

last november I decided to get my foot into the music streaming business and stream my own music to get the royalties.

I learned programming and programmed a bot on a VM to create streaming accs and stream the music and did some stuff to stay „undetected“.

Unfortunately my music was taken down from spotify (except 1 track uploaded in 2018), most of the music is still up on other platforms.

I’ve made around 140€ in a short time but stopped this project. Still figuring out what I’ve made wrong since it’s HEAVILY lucrative..

Just wondering if there are people here that are active in that buis that I can talk to for some guidance maybe?

elrond693 · May 19, 2020

what did you do to "stay undetected" ? what langage did you use for your bot ? how many songs ? how many streams were you sending to the songs ? how many accounts ? there are so much things that could have triggered the ban of your songs

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

Thanks for the reply!

I’ve setup the bot with Python, big part with Pyautogui since the vm stayed the same. Well I had 7 songs working fine with streaming until my friend joined me and we’ve created a playlist with around 60 songs that we both streamed. We made about 700-800k streams in general. I’m not sure about the amount of accounts but I guess we made around 300-400 and used the credentials again for logging in.

We used botted free accounts with rotating proxies (worked well several days). We also didn’t stream more than 15 hours a day and played charts, liked, saved songs etc.

what really bothers me is that ONE song is still up and still can get plays (bought 2k 3 days ago) without getting banned.

streamkite · May 19, 2020

Browser-based bot = BAN
Rotating proxies = BAN
Large number of streams on a track in a month = BAN
Low listener to streams ratio = BAN

And all that was long before this year. Spotify haven't been sitting on their hands during this pandemic either. They implemented massive changes to their api in March and April, which is why you may have noticed several services selling streams are now either "on a break" or closed completely. Streamify used to be all over Google ads, but now "Orders are suspended."

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

streamkite said:
Browser-based bot = BAN
Rotating proxies = BAN
Large number of streams on a track in a month = BAN
Low listener to streams ratio = BAN

And all that was long before this year. Spotify haven't been sitting on their hands during this pandemic either. They implemented massive changes to their api in March and April, which is why you may have noticed several services selling streams are now either "on a break" or closed completely. Streamify used to be all over Google ads, but now "Orders are suspended."

Totally get that; but still wondering how my one track still is up and can get pushed further.

if not browser, what do you suggest? Open multiple spotify/napster/amazon/whatever clients? Mobile streaming station?

What I figured out so far: Spotify needs longer uptime and recordjet isn't a good distributor for this business. Picked up everything again since my music (which has been distributed through another distributor ) didn't get down from all other platforms and I'm getting fine royalties with those songs

streamkite · May 19, 2020

azuriixoxo said:
Totally get that; but still wondering how my one track still is up and can get pushed further.

Maybe it was streamed less than the other tracks. Personally I would start again with a new artist rather than continue to use one after all the songs except one were removed.

azuriixoxo said:
What I figured out so far: Spotify needs longer uptime and recordjet isn't a good distributor for this business. Picked up everything again since my music (which has been distributed through another distributor ) didn't get down from all other platforms and I'm getting fine royalties with those songs

I've never used them, only DKid amd a couple of others. Amuse and Soundrop are another 2 to keep away from.

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

streamkite said:
Maybe it was streamed less than the other tracks. Personally I would start again with a new artist rather than continue to use one after all the songs except one were removed.

I've never used them, only DKid amd a couple of others. Amuse and Soundrop are another 2 to keep away from.

Well all of my tracks had around 50k streams - some more, some less. The one thats still up has almost 60k meanwhile. The only difference is that its uploaded 2018 and the other releases were pushed right after releasing. Guess that was the mistake tho

Thanks for the hint. Spinnup seems to be pretty solid, too. Received every royalties from one album that we streamed on spotify and napster.

elrond693 · May 19, 2020

Start again with new artists for Spotify but if you're still up on the other platforms you can continue with your previous songs, better push it till you are sure there won't be any royalties at the end of the month

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

elrond693 said:
Start again with new artists for Spotify but if you're still up on the other platforms you can continue with your previous songs, better push it till you are sure there won't be any royalties at the end of the month

Intended to give Napster another shot but I've seen that they cut royalties down to the same amount of premium spotify streams / partly lower than that. Getting Napster premium accs is not a problem at all but I'm missing a high amount of proxies

elrond693 · May 19, 2020

azuriixoxo said:
Intended to give Napster another shot but I've seen that they cut royalties down to the same amount of premium spotify streams / partly lower than that. Getting Napster premium accs is not a problem at all but I'm missing a high amount of proxies

Really ? I've heard that Napster was the highest paying service out there, how long till you received your first payment from them ?

Russ Thomas · May 19, 2020

rotating proxies wont work. Spotifys new api can see the accounts changing their IP location frequently. If you are serious about this, you need dedicated static proxies and only use 1 per account.
Other than that, if you want alot of streams either contact the official spotify playlists curators and try to get you track on an official playlist, or promote via ads on insta/tiktok etc..

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

elrond693 said:
Really ? I've heard that Napster was the highest paying service out there, how long till you received your first payment from them ?

I thought that too! Still receiving royalties from oktober-december 19: roughly 0,0039€ per stream. Napster.

The royalties from spotify I get are 0,0043€.

Numbers are based on a payout I received this month.

Russ Thomas said:
rotating proxies wont work. Spotifys new api can see the accounts changing their IP location frequently. If you are serious about this, you need dedicated static proxies and only use 1 per account.
Other than that, if you want alot of streams either contact the official spotify playlists curators and try to get you track on an official playlist, or promote via ads on insta/tiktok etc..

Yeah, guess so.. Do you know how much premium streams are eligible if you take like 10-20k streams and the streams are up to 30secs only?

like will I get away with one track that has 10-20k streams that are only 30sec duration, is there a limit of how far we can go? Or will the algo check every single stream for its duration?

Russ Thomas · May 19, 2020

azuriixoxo said:
I thought that too! Still receiving royalties from oktober-december 19: roughly 0,0039€ per stream. Napster.

The royalties from spotify I get are 0,0043€.

Numbers are based on a payout I received this month.

Yeah, guess so.. Do you know how much premium streams are eligible if you take like 10-20k streams and the streams are up to 30secs only?

like will I get away with one track that has 10-20k streams that are only 30sec duration, is there a limit of how far we can go? Or will the algo check every single stream for its duration?

Well you have to remember, its best to be using tier 1 accounts/proxies. So make sure you are using USA static proxies. With 20k plays, all from tier 1 premium accounts you can expect anywhere from 80-100$

Russ Thomas · May 19, 2020

if you have 500 premium accounts then you need 500 dedicated proxies. 1 proxy/ip per account. Make sure its tier 1

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

Russ Thomas said:
Well you have to remember, its best to be using tier 1 accounts/proxies. So make sure you are using USA static proxies. With 20k plays, all from tier 1 premium accounts you can expect anywhere from 80-100$

Russ Thomas said:
if you have 500 premium accounts then you need 500 dedicated proxies. 1 proxy/ip per account. Make sure its tier 1

Yeah sure! Testing right now a method where I'm using 10k streams for different songs - tier 1 countries + unique listeners. Guess if I'm doing max. of 1 - 1,5k a day I'm good to go. If that goes up I could make a nice banking. Will see when the music is still up next month lol

Russ Thomas · May 19, 2020

azuriixoxo said:
Yeah sure! Testing right now a method where I'm using 10k streams for different songs - tier 1 countries + unique listeners. Guess if I'm doing max. of 1 - 1,5k a day I'm good to go. If that goes up I could make a nice banking.

Awesome! Keep us updated

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

Russ Thomas said:
Awesome! Keep us updated

Will do. Thanks for your tipps Russ!

elrond693 · May 19, 2020

Russ Thomas said:
if you have 500 premium accounts then you need 500 dedicated proxies. 1 proxy/ip per account. Make sure its tier 1

azuriixoxo said:
Yeah sure! Testing right now a method where I'm using 10k streams for different songs - tier 1 countries + unique listeners. Guess if I'm doing max. of 1 - 1,5k a day I'm good to go. If that goes up I could make a nice banking. Will see when the music is still up next month lol

Do you guys use Datacenter or Residential proxies ? I think residentials are better but so expensive because of the bandwith usage limit

azuriixoxo · May 19, 2020

elrond693 said:
Do you guys use Datacenter or Residential proxies ? I think residentials are better but so expensive because of the bandwith usage limit

Either. I'm "outsourcing" the streaming but don't wanna go into detail since I don't know if I'm burning money right nor or making money. Will see in July first results of my method

BTW: Does someone has worked with Freshtunes? Starting out with that distributor since they dont take any fees or % shares

Russ Thomas · May 19, 2020

elrond693 said:
Do you guys use Datacenter or Residential proxies ? I think residentials are better but so expensive because of the bandwith usage limit

Datacenter. You can get static datacenter with unlimited bandwidth. For residential static proxies, is way too expensive

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