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Moving to europe advise.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by richjtf, Mar 22, 2016.

  1. richjtf

    richjtf Junior Member

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    Hi, i was wondering if some of you guys could spare some time to answer some questions / give me advise, you can just skip to the white text at the bottom, the wall below is just venting:

    Why i want to live:
    I'm 24 years old guy, from Venezuela, for those that don't know where it is, it's a south american country, it's right next to Colombia, things here are pretty annoying, the country has been worsening and worsening more and more over the years, and with it has also its people. Economy is really bad, minimum wage here is about $20/month, we don't produce jack shit and what little we get obviously imported, which creates a huge problem with supplying markets and stores with even the most basic products, whatever supermarket or store you go to is empty most of the time, and when items do come you'll find tens of hundreds of people lined up at 5am waiting for the store to open to get whatever was brought in, and a lot of these people do this so they can re-sell that for 10x what they paid.

    Crime rates are huge, we're among the most dangerous places on earth nowadays, just a few days ago some guy from Egypt came in because he got a job in our oil industry, he probably took out his money on the airport or something and some bad guy saw it and called his friends, they were waiting outside, and once he came out they tried to rob him, he resisted and they shot him dead. Shot dead outside our international airport, at the doors, so what's left for the rest of us? We're 30 million people here, and last year 27000 lost their life to violence.

    I've lost a few friends to crime, and dozens of others that have left to find a better life in another country, even my family is gone, everything is against you when you live here, running water is on for like 3 hours a day, there are power outages frequently, the internet cuts off every 5 minutes; the highest plan you can get is 10mb/s, i have that one, but i only really receive 3mb, i've been complaining for a year and they never fix it, nothing works.

    Police is corrupt as hell and they are contributing to crime on a lot of states, just a few months ago, about 30 miners got killed on the mining side of the country and recently they found out the police was involved. In other states police do fight crime but they are still ºannoying as fuck, you're driving your car and they stop you for what ever stupid reason they can find, then you either wait like 10 fucking hours until the asshole fills the ticket and lets you go, or pay him and contribute to corruption, or fight him because he's a corrupt prick, but unless you have a friend in the force doing that will be very bad for you..

    People are also very rude, it's like they have no brains, they mock you for the stupidest shit you cant imagine, a lot of people spend the whole day seated down in front of their houses judging people that walk in front of them and making fun out of them.. Fucking losers pieces of shit, they are the reason this country is the way it's and also why it will never improve. I don't care about this country anymore, i just want to leave, take my mom with me and never look back to this piece of s... place that ruined every little bit of hapiness i thought i was going to have when i was a kid, also the heat, it's hell on earth, hot as hell all day long, everyday, my air conditioner is at max speed and i can't even feel it working.
    No good person should have to live like this.

    END.

    I guess i kinda needed to vent. Anyways, i'd like some advise from you guys, i've just gotten a degree on telecommunications here, i've got a little bit of knowledge that i can work on growing much more on software dev python/java and web development javascript/html/css, i also code microcontrollers on assembler and design fun projects, i love doing that even though its got not much to do with my degree... I'm earning decently on IM right now, but that could stop suddenly, i could never know, that's why i mention the little skills i have on my self.

    My mom is Portuguese so i'm lucky to hold a Portuguese passport which will make things a little bit easier.

    My question is:
    Which european countries do you guys recommend? and why?
    I'd also like to know how much would i need to live just going with what's needed(Food, services, rent, transport)
    Any other advise will be greatly appreciated..

    If anyone wants to know, i do have family abroad, i have family in England, Portugal, and France too, they are kind and i like them but i'm doing this on my own. I don't want to be a bother to anyone.
     
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  2. Penumbra

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    In europe the cheapest is Serbia or Bosnia, crime rate is low, you can have stable internet and leave peacefuly without problems you mentioned. But to find job here is impossible, its good when you earn online btw
     
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  3. Ste Fishkin

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    Most of europe does not sound much better than where you are now...

    Why not consider a more upmarket south american country? Panama, brazil, mexico... or even jump the boarder into the USA if you think you can stump the trump when he gets made king.
     
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    lol what? No european country has such high crime or low minimum wage.

    Eastern Europe is a good option. Cheap and safe with good internet.
     
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  5. anteloff

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    Looks like you've never been in Europe.

    OP., think about Portugal, your passport will make things much easier. Average salary in Portugal is about $1000, so I guess you'll need something like that to survive month.

    I wouldn't suggest moving to serbia or bosnia and herzegovina, they are not members of EU. With reason.
     
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    This solely depends on whether you plan on working online or offline...

    I love Spain, Barcelona is one of my favorite cities. However, it's not cheap there. So unless you can make at least 1,000 euros/month stable, I wouldn't recommend it. I've been told that Portugal is not expensive in terms of food/basic needs. But I think rent is not that cheap there, maybe at least 400 euros/month, like anywhere in western EU. I live in Prague, and I think there are many opportunities for expats here. Expenses are not that high either. I think you can survive for $500/month.
     
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    If you make money online I would stay away from many countries in Europe. Better move to Damascus...can't be that many people left there at the moment...
     
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    After reading your post, pretty much any country you choose would be a huge improvement. Sorry for your losses bro, move away quickly.

    You should check out Germany, great wages and a safe country.
     
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    I think Tuscany would be a best place for you . I have a villa there and during summer holidays I go there to work . The song of birds and other natural sights make working on laptop tireless.
    Thr place is also free from many refugees which is great. The expenses are quite high but is worth it and money is meant to be spended .

    If you have some more money after rent and personal expenses you can rent a boat too for other adventures . I personally go there to work and enjoy , working there is shadow of nature is amazing !
     
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    Are you planning to work offline or online? How much money do you make from your online business ?
     
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    Go to Portugal it is cheaper than most western European countries :). I am sure that you can find something suitable for you there, It looks like no brainer to me if you have Portugalese passport, or you have Prague here which is great city, but you need a lot more than 500 month to survive there (own experience) . If you want price comparisons check numbeo com
     
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    One of my friend is married to a guy from Venezuela. They are living here in Germany now since 7 years.
    He has a good job (IT) , nice family here but he is very unhappy with the life here. :(

    I think you should first travel around Europe ..Find for yourself which place, country you would like to live ..
     
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    please don't just don't ! try asian countries, a good lifestyle and cheap compared to europe
     
  14. TeslaFan

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    Go to Slovenia I have been to all of the countries but little Slovenia is the best I think, and people have no ego there as far as I could observe.
     
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    I lived in Germany for two years and France for 3 years. But I really liked staying in Germany. But this is really your personal choice. What I found that useful is try to find out what working skill you have and then try to find where these skills can be utilized better? If you don't then you may go somewhere and won't find a good job that you hoped for so research more and then decide.
     
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    Like someone mentioned before, I'd recommend moving to a country thats close to where you are currently. Unless you have mad cash saved up, I wouldnt make a trip to Europe to start a new life. If you fail, then what? You'll be worse off than you are now. I'd put Europe on your long term goal list... and for the short term, move to a country close by that can provide better opportunities for you. If you fail... at least you're close to home. You know?

    However... you should also consider swallowing your pride and contacting the family that you have over there. I understand your need for wanting to do this on your own, but theres no shame in asking for help if its to better your life. If the situation is that shitty where you currently are, ask for help from your family in the form of shelter/food while you get on your feet, and then make sure to make it up to them once you are established. Good karma flows both ways. Good luck man.
     
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    Yes, Venezuela is very hard place to breathe, I've a girlfriend there few years ago and she finds it very difficult to receive money via bank or western union, distance to receive moneygram is like travelling to Mars with a car, she virtually complains of everything. However, if your mom is Portuguese the best bet is Portugal cos you already have their Passport which makes you an automatic citizen and you will get preferential care. Portugal is a Schengen state so with time you can explore other 25 countries at your leisure to know which best fits you... In the nutshell, is good you travel to a country you have friends or family you know to give you directions and how things works but a hustler can go anywhere and survive, so far you gat faith that you will make it even if you find yourself in Somalia. lol
     
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  18. Ste Fishkin

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    Put "liverpool" into google and read about the scousers.
     
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    There were just bombings in "safe" Europe tonight. Europe will be the new Middle East soon, yayyy.. anyways, I suggest moving to Latvia or smth.. even the refugees don't want to live there and should be safe. If you make money online you will live very comfortably with like 1000€/month (if you are alone and don't need to pay any debts).
     
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    Come to Bulgaria. The government doesn't care for you a lot, so you won't be troubled. 10% flat tax rate. Everything is cheap, the wages are lower, but you get a decent payment as a software developer and there is a need of these people. Dollars are doubled here so if you make online income, you will live well. Local crime isn't much, only mafia. Food is cheap, transport is cheap, everything is beautiful.

    If you'd like more info, pm me ;)