DR Resolved maramcpa vs tylero

My concern here is that you not only sold your signature, but you also posted on the forum to advertise them.

If it were just your signature, like you espoused above, I could consider this a non-issue, but you said in DMs, and I have seen your post history, to promote them.

You're liable here.

SUMMARY OF MY PERSONAL STATEMENT
(This is a CONTINUATION and finalization of https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/maramcpa-vs-tylero.1773408/%23:~:text%3DIncluded%2520below%2520because%2520this%2520might%2520refresh%2520on%2520my%2520phone%2520and%2520I%2520will%2520lose%2520everything%2520I%2520typed)

I respectfully request that the moderators dismiss this claim against me on the grounds that I was not a party to this transaction, I did not receive any funds, and the claimant failed to follow standard BHW due diligence by verifying the identity of the seller via PM (Private Message) on this forum before sending money off-site.

Relevant Blackhatworld Rules, Guides And Safeguards (Powerful Insights From Blackhatworld Moderators, Rules and Terms):

1. "https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/selling-outside-the-marketplace-and-signature-rules.1476345/%23:~:text%3DYes%252C%2520you%2520can%2520advertise%2520products%2520and%2520services%2520external%2520to%2520bhw%2520in%2520your%2520signature,direct%2520people%2520to%2520your%2520signature%2520within%2520your%2520post%2520content
https://www.google.com/search?q=https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/selling-outside-the-marketplace-and-signature-rules.1476345/%23:~:text%3DYes%252C%2520you%2520can%2520advertise%2520products%2520and%2520services%2520external%2520to%2520bhw%2520in%2520your%2520signature,direct%2520people%2520to%2520your%2520signature%2520within%2520your%2520post%2520content"

2. "https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/resolved-jayjayjay050-v-lazada-jr.1764575/#:~:text=Ivoryclaudie%20is%20a%20banned%20member%20because%20they%20were%20sending%20DMs%20to%20contact%20that%20TG.,scammer%27s%20paradise%3F"

3. "https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/market-safety-guide-staying-safe-avoiding-scams-in-2024.1563167/#:~:text=Really%2C%20the%20answer%20to%20large%20transactions%20is%20using%20an%20escrow%20service.%20After%20all%2C%20the%20funds%20will%20only%20be%20released%20once%20the%20product%20or%20service%20has%20been%20delivered"

4. "https://www.blackhatworld.com/help/terms/#:~:text=You%20must%20be%20a%20Paid%20Member%20on%20this%20forum%20in%20order%20to%20use%20text%2C%20links%20or%20images%20in%20your%20signature"

5. "https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/want-to-buy.951764/#:~:text=Please%20keep%20all%20communication%20within%20BHW%20using%20the%20PM%20feature%20and%20make%20payments%20using%20a%20method%20with%20buyer%20protection%20such%20as%20PayPal"

6. "https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/want-to-buy.951764/#:~:text=Make%20sure%20you%20do%20your%20own%20due%20diligence%20before%20conducting%20any%20business%20transaction%20with%20members%20of%20the%20forum"

Considering all these, to now hold me responsible is to institutionalize injustice. Gross injustice.

To make me the guarantor of every future scam run by anyone who ever advertises in a signature.

And that precedent would annihilate the signature ecosystem of BHW overnight.

So I stand before you asking not for sympathy — but for sense.

Not for leniency — but for logic.

Not for favoritism — but for fairness.

A man cannot refund what he NEVER RECEIVED.
He cannot be blamed for what he never knew.
He cannot be held liable for a transaction he never participated in.

Justice cannot demand that the innocent subsidize the consequences of a crime they did not commit.

tylero said:

SUMMARY OF MY PERSONAL STATEMENT
(This is a CONTINUATION and finalization of this particular thought line link)

I respectfully request that the moderators dismiss this claim against me on the grounds that I was not a party to this transaction, I did not receive any funds, and the claimant failed to follow standard BHW due diligence by verifying the identity of the seller via PM (Private Message) on this forum before sending money off-site.

Relevant Blackhatworld Rules, Guides And Safeguards (Powerful Insights From Blackhatworld Moderators, Rules and Terms):

1. "Yes, you can advertise products and services external to bhw in your signature. Just make sure you follow the signature rules outlined in the terms (section 5) - https://www.blackhatworld.com/help/terms/
Also, not me that you cannot direct people to your signature within your post content."

2. "Ivoryclaudie is a banned member because they were sending DMs to contact that TG. Why in the world would you use TG instead of contacting the seller directly on the forum as TG is a scammer's paradise?"

3. "Really, the answer to large transactions is using an escrow service. After all, the funds will only be released once the product or service has been delivered."

4. "You must be a Paid Member on this forum in order to use text, links or images in your signature. You may post up to 3 affiliate links or 1 banner … Do not use a font size any larger than 13 … calls to action such as ‘Message me’."

5. "Please keep all communication within BHW using the PM feature and make payments using a method with buyer protection such as PayPal"

6. "Make sure you do your own due diligence before conducting any business transaction with members of the forum"

Considering all these, to now hold me responsible is to institutionalize injustice.

To make him the guarantor of every future scam run by anyone who ever advertises in a signature.

And that precedent would annihilate the signature ecosystem of BHW overnight.

So I stand before you asking not for sympathy — but for sense.

Not for leniency — but for logic.

Not for favoritism — but for fairness.

A man cannot refund what he NEVER RECEIVED.
He cannot be blamed for what he never knew.
He cannot be held liable for a transaction he never participated in.

Justice cannot demand that the innocent subsidize the consequences of a crime they did not commit.

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If it was only the signature, I'd think differently, but you advertised them. on the forum on various posts.

Stop with the random rhetoric please.

You are pushing the envelope here.

You are liable.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You're liable here.

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I am NOT LIABLE. Here's why;
1. @maramcpa never contacted me even once prior to this transaction.
2. In my promotional posts (which is CATEGORICALLY a service to the TheVelvetAds. Rendering services to customers is not against BHW rules), there was NEVER once when I directed people to click on the banner. NEVER. If no one was COERCED or DIRECTLY told to click the banner, they did so on their own accord and ARE COMPLETELY LIABLE THEMSELVES especially if they're GROSSLY NEGLIGENT and fail to do due diligence, NEVER used ESCROW for a large transaction, never used a safe payment method, never contacted me (since this is a WTB/HAF according to the rules). The guy is someone that DOES NO DUE DILIGENCE at all. And he got scammed twice, few days after the first one.

I CAN NEVER be punished for someone's BLATANT FAILURE to do due diligence.

tylero said:

I am NOT LIABLE. Here's why;
1. @maramcpa never contacted me even once prior to this transaction.
2. In my promotional posts (which is CATEGORICALLY a service to the TheVelvetAds. Rendering services to customers is not against BHW rules), there was NEVER once when I directed people to click on the banner. NEVER. If no one was COERCED or DIRECTLY told to click the banner, they did so on their own accord and ARE COMPLETELY LIABLE THEMSELVES especially if they're GROSSLY NEGLIGENT and fail to do due diligence, NEVER used ESCROW for a large transaction, never used a safe payment method, never contacted me (since this is a WTB/HAF according to the rules). The guy is someone that DOES NO DUE DILIGENCE at all. And he got scammed twice, few days after the first one.

I CAN NEVER be punished for someone's BLATANT FAILURE to do due diligence.

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You advertised their service via posts on the forum.

A sig is one thing, promoting them on the forum via posts puts you in this spot.

You are liable.

BassTrackerBoats said:

A sig is one thing, promoting them on the forum via posts puts you in this spot.

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I AM NOT LIABLE. Here's why, I NEVER advertised their NAME or asked anybody to click the banner on ANY of the posts.

HE MADE THE UNWHOLESOME DECISION by himself without contacting me.

I'm not liable. If we're still talking about justice and sticking to the facts, I never promoted TheVelvetAds directly, if I mentioned on a post that I do a service, what ANY RIGHT THINKING person will do is to contact me (This is also what the rule stipulates). No platform including Google and even Blackhatworld itself is held liable for failure of advertisers to provide their services - even platform that WAY MUCH EYEBALLS like Google, Meta etc

tylero said:

I AM NOR LIABLE. Here's why, I NEVER advertised their NAME or asked anybody to click the banner on ANY of the posts.

HE MADE THE UNWHOLESOME DECISION by himself without contacting me.

I'm not liable. If we're still talking about justice and sticking to the facts, I never promoted TheVelvetAds directly, if I mentioned on a post that I do a service, what ANY RIGHT THINKING person will do is to contact me (This is also what the rule stipulates). No platform including Google and even Blackhatworld itself is held liable for failure of advertisers to provide their services - even platform that WAY MUCH EYEBALLS like Google, Meta etc

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Go easy on the Caps, please.

You advertised them on forum posts.

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

Go easy on the Caps, please.

You advertised them on forum posts.

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

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I am not and will never be liable. Let us say the truth and stick to facts.

Show me one, just one, single place where I asked people to click on the banner.

There's none!!!!

Show me one single place where I mentioned TheVelvetAds on any of my posts.

There's none!!!!!!

I'm not liable and will never be. Let's do justice, fairness and stamp out oppression of the weak. And also say the truth, this one @maramcpa doesn't do due diligence, he blatantly failed to contact me on Blackhatworld, he grossly failed to contact me on Telegram, he never verified the identity here on BHW, he miserably failed to use a safe payment method, he never took any orders from me to click on the banner, he made the unholy decision by himself.

I cannot refund the money that I never took. No one reaps where he didn't sow.

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

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No. I'm not liable. This is injustice.

This is unfairness.

This is oppression.

I have asked you to provide evidence where I asked people to click on the banner or one single place where I mentioned TheVelvetAds.

You never provided it before it doesn't exist.

I cannot and will never refund money that I didn't take.

No one reaps where he didn't sow. That's the law of mother nature. That's the law of gods and men. And everyone reading this thread, including you know that it's a ridiculous stretch ---------- to ask me to pay money that I never took. Money that I never received.

I'm fighting because I am in the right. Let's do the right thing here for posterity sake.

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You are liable and have 24 hours to refund.

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No. I accept absolutely no liability here.

This is not just unfairness. This is a gross injustice. This is an attempt to oppress an innocent party for @maramcpa mistake and failure to do due diligence.

I have challenged you repeatedly: Show me the evidence. Show me one single post where I told people to click that banner. Show me one single instance where I personally endorsed TheVelvetAds or vouched for their service.

You have never provided this evidence because it simply does not exist.

I cannot—and I will not—refund money that I never touched.

There is a fundamental law of natural justice: One cannot be asked to repay a debt they never incurred. You cannot expect me to harvest where I did not sow. Everyone reading this thread, deep down—including you—knows that asking me to pay back $800 I never received is a ridiculous overreach.

I am standing my ground because I am in the right. Let us do the right thing here, not just for this case, but for the sake of justice and precedent on this forum.

You are liable and have less than 24 hours to refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You are liable and have less than 24 hours to refund.

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I am not and will never be liable. Let us say the truth and stick to facts.

Show me one, just one, single place where I asked people to click on the banner.

There's none!!!!

Show me one single place where I mentioned TheVelvetAds on any of my posts.

There's none!!!!!!

I'm not liable and will never be. Let's do justice, fairness and stamp out oppression of the weak. And also say the truth, this one @maramcpa doesn't do due diligence, he blatantly failed to contact me on Blackhatworld, he grossly failed to contact me on Telegram, he never verified the identity here on BHW, he miserably failed to use a safe payment method, he never took any orders from me to click on the banner, he made the unholy decision by himself.

I cannot refund the money that I never took. No one reaps where he didn't sow.

You are liable and have less than 24 hours to refund.

BassTrackerBoats said:

You are liable and have less than 24 hours to refund.

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If we are being very very very honest, this is now more about your ego, than analyzing the facts of the case. This is just like in the private chat we had when I demanded for a comprehensive chat log from Mara between TheVelvetAds and @maramcpa . You shut me down and threatened to tarnish my reputation. With this, I was compelled to silence on the matter. However, Maramcpa graciously later provided the chat logs.

EVIDENCE BELOW :


I will cease to reply to this thread if you don't want to see reason with me. everything that I have said above is in my posts is still my "forever" stand on this issue.

There was absolutely NO WAY to know ahead of time that TheVelvetAds is a scammer. On being informed that he was a scammer, I removed his signature thread instanta. The buyer @maramcpa failed to do his due diligence, I never directed him to click the banner, he never contacted me on Blackhatworld or even on Telegram, he sent a whole $800 without using escrow, and worse still he never used a safe payment method like PayPal, Stripe or Wise, This whole thread is based on making me to pay money that I never received, it's not just left handed but plain wrong.

Let's give justice and truth a chance. It all starts with us.

With the @BassTrackerBoats permission.He is in his day's off today.
So.
I want to intervene in this dispute to clarify something.
Forum members are allowed to buy or rent their signature space. It is the responsibility of the account holder and signature owner to ensure that the service they advertise in their signature space is functional.
We've made this clear in previous similar disputes, and I want to reiterate it to raise awareness among members.

With this being said, @tylero you are responsible of your signature space and for the services promoted there.

All your evidence messages have been carefully read and analyzed. Please do not post in this thread again until the refund has been processed.
The decision in this dispute has already been made.

You are liable and to resolve this dispute favorably, you have less than 24 hours to issue a refund to the user @maramcpa

Just want to mention that me and tylero agreed on DM with one of the mods before start the dispute to refund me the amount in installments. So, I don't know why he refusing now!

I just need the money back, and don't want hurt him or his account here.

The accused has been permanently banned from Black Hat World for failing to resolve this dispute.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

I just want to share this so no one else goes through what I went through. I got scammed twice… in the same day. I lost $1,800, and honestly, it hurts. It’s not only the money, it’s the feeling of being fooled and trusting the wrong people.


BHW has always been a great community for me, and there are many amazing people here. But like any place in the world, there are also those who don’t care about anything except taking your money. They don’t care if their accounts get banned. They don’t care about the damage they cause. They just want the cash and disappear.


Please, be careful. Always check who you’re dealing with. Ask for proof, do your research, take your time. Don’t make the same mistake I made. This was a very expensive lesson for me, and I don’t want anyone else to feel this way.


Stay safe, everyone.