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Making Money with Ad & Traffic Arbitrage

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by se900se, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. se900se

    se900se Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Thanks! Agreed to disagree with previous commenter on what the TA is.
    What's so confusing? (It's not a journey, don't get confused here too).
     
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    1. I'd suggest to pay someone to re-write articles for you
    2. I think the word viral explains everything here
    3. I find OutBrain to have highest RPMs
    4. Google, Facebook, Instagram, Pinterest
     
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    Hey! Can you please tell me which CPM network will give highest RPM? Do you prefer eCPM? Coz Fb ads can give you 98% US traffic. Right?
     
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    That depends on your exact situation, two similar sites will have different results.
    You may want to try Amazon CPM.
     
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    I hate it when people redefine things themselves. How can someone who doesn't know the meaning of traffic arbitrage sell/teach course about it? Mind boggling. If the definition from investopedia is not good enough, then let's use the definition of traffic arbitrage from http://digitalmarketing-glossary.com/What-is-Traffic-arbitrage-definition , it's defined as such, simple and concise. "Traffic arbitrage is buying and selling paid traffic for a profit. The principle is to buy good traffic at low cost and to turn it on a website into outcoming paid traffic.". Like the few others before me, I disagree with what you are disagreeing.
     
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    You can provide 10 more links, it wouldn't change a thing. I hate when people start their comments with 'I hate'. If you hate something about this thread, then what are you doing here? :)

    It doesn't matter how traffic is acquired, it matters how you monetize it.
    If you got traffic free and spent time on it, this means the price of the traffic is your time.

    This thread not for arguing, if you have any questions - you can post them here.
     
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    Of course it won't change anything, because it has never changed. Only you changed it.
    Who said I can't be here? I can hate or like and still be here because this is a forum for discussion. Unless, you want to redefine the meaning of a forum too?
    What is hatable are people who give wrong information and mislead people in a forum. We all know what's the real reason behind this thread and where it's headed, as usual.
     
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    No need to put another meaning to what I said. I did not invite you nor I said you can't be here.

    This thread is not for you spreading your hatred, thats for sure. If you have anything valuable to add - go ahead :).
     
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    Now you're talking bout spreading! But you still don't understand the basics of arbing...maybe go back to basics first?
    But seriously, I hope to learn something interesting from this thread...before its impending demise. I will be watching.:cool:
     
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    Gotta agree with most folks in this thread. This doesn't sound like traffic arbitrage per se, but the typical approach of keyword research -> optimized content -> earning money from ad networks with the content.
     
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    No doubt, you will :)
     
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    OP just puts broad meaning into it, like - all efforts to attract users/monetize them
    only people here want only see the shortest way - paid traffic as it sounds as the most easy way if you don't know seo or botting
     
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    OP is as helpful as always and I invite doubters to read the traffic arbitrage guide he posted here some time ago, before passing judgment on his credentials.

    For what is worth, it seems to me that the disagreement on the definition of traffic arbitrage has more to do with people not thinking the issue through.

    Yes, arbitrage means buying something at one price and then selling it for a higher price. In the case of organic traffic, which bothers some people very much, you buy traffic for $0 -- that's all. Why is that so controversial?

    Of course, I am simplifying and am not counting all the money, time and personal labor that went into the building of the site, before it started to generate meaningful volumes of organic traffic, which could be a very substantial investment indeed. But that doesn't change anything -- if you want to account for it all, you simply plug that investment into the formula you are using to calculate the actual cost of your organic traffic. For example, if you've invested $25,000 in your website since you started it, and have received a total of 1,000,000 visitors for that period, your cost per visitor is 25,000 / 1,000,000 = $0.025. Of course, the good news with organic traffic is that you get lasting results, so that over time your cost per visitor falls.

    As far as monetization goes, one approach that can be very profitable is building your own branded product line and directing traffic to your website with the intention not only to sell things short term, but also to build a following to which you can sell for a long time. You can place a Facebook pixel on your website to track what people do there and then target FB ads based on actions visitors have taken on it. For example, if someone has spent a minute on one of your blog posts and left, perhaps she's not very interested in what you do and is not worth following up. If, on the other hand, she's visited several pages, and perhaps one of your sales pages, you could target her with a video ad about the particular product she looked at. All the while, you are building brand awareness and social media following.

    So, yes, traffic arbitrage is a hugely interesting and expansive topic.
     
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    what's good in RhythmOne for publishers? and they also have some requirements ?
     
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    Question: how much a day should you spend on Outbrain to get ROI considering your ad copy is good?
     
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    R1 is a former BurstMedia, I have pretty good experience with them, but this is not a primary network for any of my sites.
    Like any other network they also have requirements, but I its more about the site quality rather than huge traffic volumes.
     
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    There's no specific sum that you need to spend in order to get profitable, everything depends on campaign.
    Keep in mind that you should have good bids and decent budgets for your campaigns to get good sources.
    The $500 per week campaign will work better than $50 per week campaign.
     
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    Ok, thanks for the answer. Now let's make some calculation . 500$ a week is about $70 a day which means you can buy about 250 clicks a day with CPc 0.30 USA traffic from Outbarin. What %% of Outbarin clicks will convert into clicks into your site? Big question mark...

    The answer is obvious... It depends...

    If if it depends how can you try to teach people traffic arbitrage if there is no general formula/principles for everyone? It always depends on many factors....
     
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    he monetizes his site with CPM , not CPC I guess..
    and 0.3 per click while buying traffic seems not really optimal cost probably.
    by the way - OP if you use Outbrain to buy traffic - what cpc do you usually have?
     
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    You're wrong in calculations.
    Good campaign will bring clicks for a cheaper price. Worst case scenario those clicks cost 15-17 cents, best, below 10.

    I do not really care what % of clicks will covert into clicks on my site - this is not why I buy traffic. If my purpose was only to get clicks - I would made on purpose low quality site so users tricked to click and leave.

    Good campaign bring targeted users that are happy with the content, most probably there won't be much clicks, but will be lots of pageviews (5+ instead of 1+), good time on site as well as I will see this user back to site bunch of times.

    So let's say I got this user for 30 cents, he came back to my site another 5 times - this means this user cost drops to 6 cents instead of 30.

    CPM networks will have a higher fill and CPC from a targeted user will be higher than from untargeted users who don't convert.

    Let me answer your last question: posting your question depends on many factors, electricity, your mood, health, this post coming up so you actually see it etc - there're so many factors in everything and nothing guaranteed or certain in this life. Therefore I don't teach or coach, I provide advice based on my experience, which most of the users find helpful. You can have your doubts. You don't have to follow anything I suggest.
     
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