So it's about predictability and the knowledge that x% of the time they will be right, that these are spam - but also knowing they can afford to be completely wrong y% of the time.
So it's about predictability and the knowledge that x% of the time they will be right, that these are spam - but also knowing they can afford to be completely wrong y% of the time.
Surfwalden
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You wouldn't get punished if that happend because most likely if it went viral, they would all be comming from different IPs, multiple trusted high PR sites and different parts fo the world. Every once in a while when something truly goes viral, like that stupid dancing wedding video, it didn't hurt the site. It drove it right up to the top for what ever it was.
Look at that crazy basketball video of that guy who shot the ball from the top of the stadium and made it. 100,000 links in hours if not more. Didn't hurt it a bit, and it was brand new.
Yukinari84
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great point by surfwalden.
google can see where your links are coming from down to an IP level. so if you are not using different proxies and you are throwing massive amount of links to any one site in a short period of time, this may put you at a higher risk of google finding you out.
if you are operating things on a big level, then you should be using proxies.
@ stargate03 - of course link wheel structure is important. but anyone the basic structures and functions of using link wheels have already been laid out in easy to understand terms not only in many threads here in BHW, but also in ebooks. Take Lemonarian's ebook. That ebook is the perfect guide for understanding the basics of linkwheels and how to use them effectively.
once you understand the basics and can effectively use them to make you money, only then should you be trying to go after more advanced linking structures.
otherwise things get too confusing and you will have a hard time getting results.
google can see where your links are coming from down to an IP level. so if you are not using different proxies and you are throwing massive amount of links to any one site in a short period of time, this may put you at a higher risk of google finding you out.
if you are operating things on a big level, then you should be using proxies.
@ stargate03 - of course link wheel structure is important. but anyone the basic structures and functions of using link wheels have already been laid out in easy to understand terms not only in many threads here in BHW, but also in ebooks. Take Lemonarian's ebook. That ebook is the perfect guide for understanding the basics of linkwheels and how to use them effectively.
once you understand the basics and can effectively use them to make you money, only then should you be trying to go after more advanced linking structures.
otherwise things get too confusing and you will have a hard time getting results.
stargate03
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Problem there is you are talking i assume about videos on youtube or another video service site
Well youtube is a massive authority site and obviously would have millions of links per month, nothing would affect that
but its totally different for a brand new site with little or no authority
which is the whole point of using authority sites to create linkwheels, far less chance of google taking a look at what you are doing
mehdvirus
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what ? that's so stupid !
that doesnt make any sense !
dude google can't find my ip if i'm making a blog on tumblr or wordpress !
so really no need of proxy!
google cant find the web2 owners ip , it can just find the server's ip !
Yukinari84
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oops. what I meant to say was that the web 2.0 sites can see if you are gaming their system, and that's why you should use proxies.
sorry, it was late when I posted.
Micallef
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Sticking with the original question, and speaking from my own statistics, I have found that 12 spoke wheels have performed well. It must be said, however, that any number of other factors could be involved.
As a rule, I have had less success with smaller wheels. I advise against the 6 spoke model for many reasons, primarily that a lot of the web 2.0 Google ranks are based on luck, and it makes sense to boost up the number of properties to give yourself the best chance.
My largest network is 28 properties and it has comprehensively nuked the search term I was going for. However, production and promotion took several days of hard work.
Yukinari - Do you have reason to believe that the web 2.0 services might penalise new properties from the same IP, perhaps by attatching a warning tag for google stating that they do not trust this property? It's an interesting idea as I have been noticing that the big services like wordpress and blogger have been generally under-performing for me lately. The last wordpress I made, however, did extremely well - might this contradict the theory?
But surely, if you make sure you don't use duplicate content on the same web 2.0, they wouldn't have any need to let Google know about your IP?
And if you used duplicate content, but used different Web 2.0 for each, I can't imagine WP and Blogger would share information with each other to work this out?
Also, to help, which Web 2.0 properties are you using, apart from Blogger & WP?
Micallef
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I have no solid evidence one way or the other. I will wait and see what Yukinari has to say about it, as he is a general proponent of using proxies. I never use them.
I have to admit that my instincts tell me there is no need to switch IP, but I am open to other opinions.
I use most of the currently available web 2.0 properties on the internet. A less well-known one that you might enjoy playing with is edublogs.org.
Yukinari84
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well the most obvious is if you create tons of accounts from 1 IP, there is ahigh chance that your accounts will get locked, deleted.
With that said, it doesn't happen all the time, but I have had it happen. Also, it does have to be a lot of accounts, too.
With that said, it doesn't happen all the time, but I have had it happen. Also, it does have to be a lot of accounts, too.
Micallef, when you are creating the 12spoke link wheel, is that a typical link wheel structure, where all sites point to the main domain and one of the other sites in the wheel?
Also, once you are done creating the wheel, do you submit it to rss feeds, bookmark it, etc?
Do you use one spun article per wheel?
Would be nice if you could name some of the sites you use as well, but I understand if you won't.
Also, once you are done creating the wheel, do you submit it to rss feeds, bookmark it, etc?
Do you use one spun article per wheel?
Would be nice if you could name some of the sites you use as well, but I understand if you won't.
Could this be an effecient tactic for creating a powerful linkwheel backlink structure/traffic funnel for a white hat site?
I'm thinking of a couple of ways I could do this...
1. create a 12 spoke linkwheel. find 12 low competition kws for my niche that gets decent volume (1000+ per month in exact match). Put up a unique, kw optimized article for each site.
Then submit the rss feed for each property, bookmark each property on 20-30 sites. Then use Link farm evolution to build backlinks to each of the 12 spokes.
Point of this would be to make each spoke pretty powerful and have them rank high in the serps for the chosen kws. I could then update the spokes sporadically to give them more authority...
2. Try to take over the serps for each kw. Use power article rewriter to spin a unique kw optimized article.
Then, I would create a 10-20 spoke linkwheel and put up a spun version of the article on each of the spokes. Then submit RSS feed, bookmark all of the spokes, and build backlinks with some automated spamish tool.
Wash, rinse repeat for each of the 10-15 keywords im targeting, and hope to dominate the serps for the chosen keywords. I would mix the linking structure up a bit for each wheel, and vary the number of spokes in each wheel.
Does this sound like a powerful set up? Or a gigantic waste of time? Ovbiously I would try to automate the thing as much as possible.. Like use something like bookmarkwiz for the bookmarking and link farm evo for backlinking the spokes, wordpress comment spamming, etc.
I'm thinking of a couple of ways I could do this...
1. create a 12 spoke linkwheel. find 12 low competition kws for my niche that gets decent volume (1000+ per month in exact match). Put up a unique, kw optimized article for each site.
Then submit the rss feed for each property, bookmark each property on 20-30 sites. Then use Link farm evolution to build backlinks to each of the 12 spokes.
Point of this would be to make each spoke pretty powerful and have them rank high in the serps for the chosen kws. I could then update the spokes sporadically to give them more authority...
2. Try to take over the serps for each kw. Use power article rewriter to spin a unique kw optimized article.
Then, I would create a 10-20 spoke linkwheel and put up a spun version of the article on each of the spokes. Then submit RSS feed, bookmark all of the spokes, and build backlinks with some automated spamish tool.
Wash, rinse repeat for each of the 10-15 keywords im targeting, and hope to dominate the serps for the chosen keywords. I would mix the linking structure up a bit for each wheel, and vary the number of spokes in each wheel.
Does this sound like a powerful set up? Or a gigantic waste of time? Ovbiously I would try to automate the thing as much as possible.. Like use something like bookmarkwiz for the bookmarking and link farm evo for backlinking the spokes, wordpress comment spamming, etc.