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Magic Number for a Link Wheel

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by edhkirk, Oct 7, 2009.

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  1. edhkirk

    edhkirk Newbie

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    I have read a number of posts and articles on creating a link wheel, and all of them seem to advocate creating six web 2.0 properties to create the wheel.

    What is the rational for the number 6? Would the link wheel be even better with 8 or 10 sites in the wheel? Would a longer trip around the wheel create better results?
     
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    a longer wheel would make it harder for Google to figure out its a wheel. I also don't like using a closed wheel because in my opinion its too easy to detect.

    Most of my wheels that I make are 8-10 properties.
     
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    There is no set number. You need to test different amounts on different niches and keywords for finding what will work.

    Every niche and keyword can be different.
    Don't make the mistake of being a "carbon copy" marketer.

    With that said, I wouldn't go less than 6, and definitely mix things up as far as the web 2.0 properties, anchor text, etc.
     
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    The reason for 6 properties being so popular is a result a report put out by an internet marketer by the name of Lemonarion.

    Some people(himself included) believe Lemonarion "invented" the linkwheel. The truth is, he was simply the first to publicize the idea and teach it to others on a large enough scale to get noticed.

    Any statement about the effects of different numbers of properties that cannot be empirically proven should be regarded as speculation.
     
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    The reason for 6 properties being so popular is a result a report put out by an internet marketer by the name of Lemonarion.

    Some people(himself included) believe Lemonarion "invented" the linkwheel. The truth is, he was simply the first to publicize the idea and teach it to others on a large enough scale to get noticed.

    Any statement about the effects of different numbers of properties that cannot be empirically proven should be regarded as speculation.
     
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    I also don't like using a closed wheel because in my opinion its too easy to detect.

    so we should not close the last one?
     
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    If you don't close the wheel, then is it still a wheel?

    Or just a long chain that abruptly ends?
     
  8. jackccl

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    i guess what i make are just chains, but what some of the other people on this forum do is make several link wheels with open ends and then connect all all together.

    For example end of linkwheel 01 will be linked to beggining of linkwheel 02 and then the end of linkwheel of 02 will be linked to linkwheel 03. There are a lot of threads here about linkwheels and many structural diagrams available. just search for them :)
     
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    1 never close your linkwheel

    2 never link linkwheels together -

    3 vary the sites in each linkwheel, theres enough web 2.0 sites etc to create hundreds of wheels

    4 linkwheel size is like the old saying, how long is a piece of string

    i wouldnt do less than 10 depending on how powerful the sites in it are
     
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    1 never close your linkwheel

    2 never link linkwheels together -

    so 1st point means do not connect the first and last isn't t?

    i cannot understand the 2nd one
     
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    if you build say 5 linkwheels for 5 different keywords

    dont be tempted to link those wheels together
     
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    If you never close a linkwheel, I've found it doesn't matter if you link one wheel to another. There is no compelling evidence that interconnected wheels are more detected than disconnected ones. Keeping the properties to 6-10 with one open spoke keeps things simple enough to manage and quickly replicate.
     
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    People have used bigger linkwheels with as many as 20 spokes for ultra competitive niches (I read that on other forums) and it has worked for them... So there is no set number and 6 seems a good starting point..
     
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    Ok easy way to explain this i hope

    Do you remember in Chemistry those diagrams of molecules such as

    [​IMG]

    imagine the darker one is your money site and the lighter ones your linkwheels

    now imagine google is a virus (google decides its not happy with your links and decides to impose a penalty or deindex your sites) that can infect your linkwheels.

    If google infects one linkwheel you can easily remove it from your structure without it infecting the rest as theres no links to them from the infected one and also it doesnt destroy the linkjuice from the other wheels

    now imagine what would happen if you had this set up of linkwheels and google infected c7 or c8 where c5 is your money site

    [​IMG]

    major collapse and problems to try and solve
     
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    So say I devised a 'link wheel' which uses these:
    Blogsome, Xanga, Slideshare, tumblr, livejournal, wordpress.com, wetpaint, blogger, scribd and vox and I write a blog on each of these making 10 in total.

    I link Blogsome article to Xanga and central 'Money Site'; Xanga to Slideshare & central 'Money Site' etc and then right at the end I just link Vox to the money site for article 10.

    So really, each article needs to be unique, but have something in common with the next article that it's linking to in the wheel, right?

    Now surely, the above example is improving your chances of the 10 articles being listed in Google, as they have a link pointing towards them right away (apart from Article 1 of course).

    Where as if you have it set up like the 1st Molecule example above, with 4 articles that don't have any links to them, there's less chance of the 'money site' benefiting as much? I can see the upside of the 1st example, being that if one part is destroyed, the rest stays intact as it's 4 independant links... my thinking is just that it could take longer for these 4 articles to give the main central 'money site' any back links.
     
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    Cool diags.

    Looks like you are good at chem :p

    I too like it..

     
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    If you keep the outlinks per each property down to 2-3 it shouldn't lead to a dissipation of juice. Find as high a PR do follow links as possible, but to remember the target site is the focus. The point is to long term grow the target site's traffic through the synergy of the surrounding properties pointing to it.
     
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    Couldn't of said it in a better way myself. :D


    I pretty much always keep my outbound links to 2-3. 1 to my moneypage/site I want to rank higher, 1 to the next property in my wheel, 1 affiliate link(not all the time).
     
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    Hi again

    theres no reason you cant promote your sites like xanga and slideshare etc
    you can also bookmark them, rss them etc etc

    just ensure no connections from link wheel to linkwheel apart from the ones to the money site, that way its easier to remove any problems and not affect any other linkjuice.
     
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    I've been reading a lot about connecting a link wheel to one of the sections of the link wheel, as this then gives one of your links even more link juice.

    As in... 10 articles around the money site, and you then start doing the same but treating article 3 as the new central money site.. is this exactly what you are saying don't do?
    And instead just create a totally new wheel which doesn't link up at all to link wheel 1?