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Link Wheel Now consider as Black Hat SEO?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Junpoy, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Junpoy

    Junpoy Regular Member

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    I have receive an email from my employer and said STOP connecting links in the link wheel because of the reason below....

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    Hello,

    I've read about link wheel in a FAQ with a link building technique, but I've never seen this before.Could you please tell me what would be this technique and how does it work? Is that a white or a black hat stretegie?Thanks in advance!




    Dr. Pete

    A link wheel is essentially a way of getting around Google's tendency to penalize reciprocal linking. So, for example if you have two sites, A and B, and link them like this:



    ?A -> B
    ?B <- A


    ...you have the potential for trouble. In this simple case, it's more likely that the links will just get devalued, but if you start cross-linking a large number of sites, then you have a link farm. In a simple link wheel, the pattern becomes circular, essentially. So let's say you have sites A, B, and C. A link wheel would look like this:



    ?A -> B
    ?B -> C
    ?C -> A

    Of course, you can extend that indefinitely, and some link-wheel schemes get much more elaborate. Generally speaking, Google is getting smarter about this - they can associate sites a lot more easily than the used to, and they still don't want to see low-value links from sites with little or no relevance. The other issues is that this tactic is really indirect. If you carry it out to A - Z, who's to say that the link-juice from A is going to get passed down that chain all the way back around?My personal opinion is that it's dubious at best. It's also a lot of work for what may still be low-value links, and most reputable sites aren't going to want to buy into a chain like that. Better to focus on solid, relevant links from high-authority sites.

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    if this would be the case, what will be our next alternative aside from linkwheel. Also can you site some example of high-authority sites.?



    thanks in advance...
     
  2. darkAsPitch

    darkAsPitch Registered Member

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    Linkwheels are sold everywhere, blackhat, whitehat, who cares? They work!
     
  3. kokofai

    kokofai Newbie

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    As far as I am concern, linkwheel is working flawlessly, however, DO NOT (YES I MEAN IT) DO NOT over do it! Make sure you stay under the radar always! IF not you're gonna pay the price.

    My advise is that:
    1. Always sprinkle your linkwheel at different properties. For instance, web 2.0 sites, article directories, blogs, etc. DO NOT make a linkwheel out of the SAME property.
    2. Create a link wheel of maximum 6 properties! (In my experience, this is good to stay under the radar)
    3. Update your linkwheel properties once in a while, so that it doesn't look like a linkwheel to big G, and big G will assume that it is fresh and "nature" link building.

    Lastly, the key is that, you have to "BLUFF" big G in a way that he doesn't know you are creating a linkwheel.

    Hope my 2 cents help. =)
     
  4. rohuhottie

    rohuhottie Newbie

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    Do not close the link wheel.. let it be open .. as in A>B , B>C , but C should not link to A..
     
  5. clow86

    clow86 Newbie

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    make random link wheel...
     
  6. lawndog

    lawndog Registered Member

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    Would that not then be a 'link line'...
     
  7. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    A way to close a (say, 6 property) linkwheel while technically keeping it open, is to make a main wheel where the last link is not closed, but the last property has a subwheel, whose sub-properties link to property A of the main wheel. That way you get the juice off that last property F via the subwheel links, BUT the main wheel is not closed because the sub-properties are not linked TO from the last main property. As in:

    A ---> B ---> C ---> D ---> E ---> F -NOT Linked to-> A

    while F has a wheel around it where

    f/a ---> f/b ---> f/c ---> f/d -NOT linked to-> f/a
    |---> A |---> A |----> A |---> A

    Maybe that's clear enough.
     
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  8. Jayar

    Jayar Junior Member

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    zebrahat do you have an exemple to show? i do not understand how is that suppose to work if you do not link F to A
     
  9. rohuhottie

    rohuhottie Newbie

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    Link lines do not get caught easily by Google.. So, that is the way to go.. Also, some random linking would help get you go unnoticed!!
     
  10. jrkrakauer

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    Keep some spokes open and randomize the linking
     
  11. zebrahat

    zebrahat Elite Member

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    Attached is a jpg to clarify my schema. The sub lw to the last property links to the first property of the main LW, thus 'closing the loop' without closing the loop. None of the sub wheel properties link FROM the other main properties, so the linking to the main first property gives a back web to it while keeping the main LW a 'link line.'

    It's possible to link the last main property to a property on a different LW on a related niche, thus not losing its link juice. Another consideration for producing the non-closing LW effect are no-follow tags. If the last property is no follow but you link it to the first property anyway, what is G to do, except not close the wheel?
     

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  12. MisterGemini

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    Well... here is what I would do.

    I would go to one of the properties where you create linkwheels and create one page that is about your work, and how much you should be paid for it. Make it about 5X what you currently are getting paid.

    Then go to your employer.. and say.. STOP.. You are not paying me enough, look what this website says. He will scoff at it, but then you need to remind him that you took what some guy off the internet said about linkwheels at face value, you can't just ignore this. Then suggest to him, perhaps linkwheels are not so bad, and how much he pays you isn't either. Ask him if he agrees. His greedy little fingers clenching to every dollar he can squeeze out of you will force him to node in agreement. Then go back to business as usual.

    In answer to your question, the alternative to linkwheels are linkroots.

    Hope this helps you grow a pair to fling at your boss.

    Mister Gemini
     
  13. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    Linkwheels that are visible to google et al are not effective and could cause you issues in terms of ranking.

    Random Chaos is a much better approach.
     
  14. Junpoy

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    what is linkroot?
     
  15. MisterGemini

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    I do not know what happened. 6 months back I made my money page come to first page for the keyword with just one linkwheel. Then after 4 months recently my page was going down. I tried to revive it with a 5 property linkwheel. Today I tried to search the G. And poof it is nowhere. Well not atleast in 5000 positions.
    But image from the same page shows up in the first page of image search for that same keyword.
    Does it mean my site is not sandboxed or what? Did I overdo the link wheel?