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Kindle Journey to the Frisky Five

Discussion in 'My Journey Discussions' started by smutstrut, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. smutstrut

    smutstrut Newbie

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    In The Six-Figure Erotica Author, writer Jade K. Scott talks about hitting a landmark that is "The Dirty Thirty." This is the point where you have 30 short stories published and your profits really become something substantial.

    So to dip my toes in this potential income stream, I'm embarking on a journey to "The Frisky Five." I want to have five ~5000 word stories up on the kindle store by the end of October.

    This is purely a journey of content creation and output. I have no expectations for the results. I just want to take a really good swing at something I'm interested in and share the results.

    My first title is already complete, submitted and under review. Four more to go.
     
  2. SpaceNL

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    Good luck mate, I read that kindle is very profitable but I never tried it personally. Do you write the stories yourself or do you hire a freelancer?
     
  3. GringoMonkey

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    Since July Amazon has changed how they pay you in terms of KDP select.

    Pretty much all short stories made their money from being enrolled in that as their length did not matter, but they got paid a flat rate of circa $1.35.

    With the changes Amazon made you now get about $0.005 per page read.

    So the business model you are proposing now won't work - if your looking to make good money on Kindle.
     
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    Good luck on your journey!
     
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    This should be very interesting to watch. I've had a great experience with non-fiction and I've always been curious about writing fiction on Kindle.
     
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    Writing them all myself.

    I'm aware of the change. I know the days of the "6-figure" erotica author are done for but from the research I've done I believe there is still some decent money to be made. Yeah that flat rate system was a magical time but so were the days when your Google page rank could be easily gamed with backlink blasting. Its just how things are. Loopholes get closed up and legitimacy gets enforced. The positive flipside is that then all the easy-money bandwagoners move on and the people with real passion for what they're doing have more room to prosper.

    Regardless, the short story format still has a HUGE advantage in the new system. Now the bottom line in the kindle game is your total published page count. Lets say you spend a month writing a 300 page novel that flops. You just blew an entire month for nothing! But with short stories you can really diversify the keywords/subgenres you target. So say instead of that novel you write six 50 page short stories across different categories and only half of them tank. At least you still have 150 profitable pages up on the store instead of 300 worthless ones.
     
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  7. smutstrut

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    Got my first sale today! WHHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    *crowd roaring*

    Its only $2.04 profit but it feels like a much bigger victory. Just the little bump of encouragement I needed right now.
     
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    I don't disagree with what your saying in terms of the short story still having potential. I am simply saying you have to turn it into a long story to make money.

    I had a number of short story series and once you get your head around the new system you can easily make $4+ per reader rather than the old flat rate of $1.35.

    My income has more than trebled by seeing which books sell and then expanding them.

    My point is if you leave as short stories you will not make any real money, a 50 page book = $0.25 per read on KDP, you now need to expand them to make real money.

    But lets take your 50 pages scenario. At $0.005 per page read that is $0.25 per book read. On your model you spend all your time getting that high up the chart and then when you do, you launch another book? Why bother? Expand to 100 pages and double your income with no more marketing. Or put all 300 pages in and don't have any "new" book tank. Now your making $1.50 per book read and keep scaling.

    I now have fiction books with over 2000 pages that make me $10 per read each!

    So your better off launching short story book 1, seeing how it does and if it does well, rather than launching book 2 separately, expand book 1 by adding book 2 to it and so on.

    Chances are if you cannot get book 1 in a series to work you wont get books 2 onwards to either. So your best using your time in starting another new series rather than writing book 2 and changing the keywords.

    If you have a few decent books that you expand it is pretty easy to get to $10,000 + per month on Kindle now.
     
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  9. smutstrut

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    Thanks for this input. Just to be 100% clear, by 'expand' you mean upload a new content file for the book with a continued story/higher page count? That's absolutely brilliant if doing so doesn't impact your current ranking.
     
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    There is still a lot of money to be made but 5k is too short nowadays. For a short story these days I would bump it up to 8-10k. You're going to make your money with bundles and you want to give them a little more meat.
     
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    Yes that is exactly what I mean and no it does not impact on your current rankings. Ironically it helps hold them, because people see you regularly update the book. Don't forget to keep changing the version number though!

    Happy to look at Kindle JV's on here if anyone is interested, as there are a number of other things you can do as well to expand the book and also ensure the pages are actually read, just PM me.
     
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    What's about the following strategy:

    Season 1:
    - book 1 (50 pages)
    - book 2 (50 pages)
    - book 3 (50 pages)
    = Box set of book 1 - 3 (150 pages)

    Season 2:
    - book 1 (50 pages)
    - book 2 (50 pages)
    - book 3 (50 pages)
    = Box set of book 1 - 3 (150 pages)

    Season 3:
    - book 1 (50 pages)
    - book 2 (50 pages)
    - book 3 (50 pages)
    = Box set of book 1 - 3 (150 pages)

    = Box set of Season 1 - 3 (450 pages)

    With every book you'll increase your reputation and visibility. You'll reach tons of readers who will (hopefully) buy a box set.

    Did I miss something? Is the expanding strategy really better? I can't see an advantage!?!
     
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    How do you advertise/promote your books?
     
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    The core differences are marketing and reach.

    You can only get to #1 with 1 book in your chosen category! If you publish 9 separate similar ones you end up being in competition with yourself and sales / page reads suffer.

    Also if you expand 1 book by making that book bigger and bigger, as you have previously said Pinger, it makes it very difficult to topple you from a high ranking, by someone coming in with a 50 page book vs say your 450 page book. So it is difficult for anyone to copy you quickly as well because of the shear size, so it reduces credible competition.

    The books I have expanded into 2000 page ones pretty much go straight in top of the charts and net me at least $100 per day per book if just 10 people read it and usually it is more than that.

    Remember it is all about page reads now not book downloads on kdp. So one person reading a 2000 page book nets you $10 as opposed to having to get 40 people reading a 50 page book to get you the same $10. Getting 1 person to read 2000 is a lot easier to achieve, provided you understand the dynamics of how to get them to read all the pages.

    Ideally you then scale multiple books across multiple categories.
     
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    If you are using reviews to get more visibility on Amazon, be very careful.

    Do yourself a favor and steer clear of Fiverr vendors. Amazon is suing suppliers of fake Amazon reviews. http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Tech/article1621058.ece

    Amazon is simply responding to being publicly embarrassed by a news story on how easy it is to make a book (of any quality) into a bestseller.

    It goes without saying that you should focus on getting REAL or organic reviews.
     
  16. smutstrut

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    Published another title today. Due to some useful input I've received in this thread, I pushed this one up to 12k words.

    I took down my first story (~7000) to republish it with some more meat as well. It originally ended in a cliff hanger in the hopes that readers would jump on over to drop another dollar on Part 2. But since KU page reads seem to be where the moneys at, I decided to unpublish it and put it back up with parts 2 & 3 included.

    Now I'm wondering: will amazon nail me for publishing it as a completely new title? I'd like to get another full set of 5 free promotional days. If I put it back up through the same bookshelf entry via "republish", I assume I'm going to have to work with the 3 free days I have left over from the original run.

    Not a big deal I guess, just trying to get the most from the time and effort I'm putting into my writing. I'm enjoying the journey but I am getting a little burnt out on writing about sex. Taking a little break from erotica to get some horror published by Halloween.

    Good heads up. I was about to drop $20 to get a few stars going beneath my titles in the store. Any advice on getting real reviews?
     
  17. gettinthere

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    Really like the sound of your system and the logic regarding page count/competition.

    I guess part of me is weighing up sales of series books eg. if you have series of 6 books at $2.99 each as opposed to one large book at eg. $5.99.

    Does anyone know if this is against KDP Select T&Cs?

    Episode 1 - permafree (do not enrol in KDP Select)
    Episode 2 - KDP Select
    Episode 3 - KDP Select

    Season Bundle (Episodes 1,2,3) - KDP Select

    ie. can the Bundle still be in KDP select if one of the 'episodes' is elsewhere?

    Potentially what you could do is release the series as one large book, but also have the episodes released individually?
     
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    Hello,

    The bundle cannot be in KDP Select if you have episode 1 perma-free on other storefronts because the KDP terms state that the work would have to be exclusive to Amazon for the 90 period.