[Journey] Scaling an e-commerce brand with Instagram mother-slave method

what IG bot are you using?
Are you using an Instagram bot that you created for yourself?

We didn't create it ourselves, it's a pretty well-known bot in the BHW community. But you can do it with your own bot, or any bot that does Instagram automation.


I have been doing this since 2018:)) made a thread with same method & goal back in 2018! for sure its been hard since last API IG (july2019) decrease update, but sure still working! good luck!
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I read your thread in the past! How is it going nowadays? You're running the mother-slave method as well, combined with e-commerce?
 
We didn't create it ourselves, it's a pretty well-known bot in the BHW community. But you can do it with your own bot, or any bot that does Instagram automation.
Alright, what is the name of the bot please?
 
Alright, what is the name of the bot please?

I said earlier in the thread that I don't want to promote anything, so I won't be sharing the names of any software or proxy providers. You could find the bot if you search for the marketplace yourself, pretty much every bot found there can get the same job done, you just need to do a lot of trials and errors to find what combination of actions/tools that works best for you.
 
Nice journey, I'm impressed.
I got some questions
I decided not to share any providers or names of tools/software as part of this journey, either public or through DMs because I don't want to be seen as promoting something. The truth is, even if I give you any name of a service provider, it doesn't mean they will get you the results we get. Heck, even we don't get consistent results with the same providers. That's why we test multiple providers at any given moment and change our "main" provider at least quarterly if not even more frequently, since their quality changes or we find something better/more stable.

As for bans with our current actions, we got 0 in the past 2-3 weeks. We do get daily phone & email verifications tho, last week there was a huge wave and we had around 20 per day, but the wave seems over and we're now back at 4-5 per day. I wish I could say the same for our scrapers, those fuckers die like they've been hit by the plague. Rest their souls. Luckily, we found a workaround for that, albeit being a bit more expensive than anticipated.

Our followback ratio in the current niche is around 8.5%, but we need more time to have proper data, since numbers are currently fluctuating a lot due to us adding accounts rapidly and making dozens of changes. But most of the time, no matter the niche, the average followback ratio we get is between 8%-12%, I don't remember we had something below that. Maybe 7% on worst days and when the sources were heavily depleted.
I know you wouldn't tell the specific name of providers, but:
- Do you use a browser with multiple fingerprints or mobile phones with bot installed OR something else?
- Do you use one proxy per account or use one proxy for multiple accounts?
- What are your techniques in slave account for making people follow back or transfer traffic to your mother account?

I would be really proud if you could answer my questions, thank you in advance.
 
I said earlier in the thread that I don't want to promote anything, so I won't be sharing the names of any software or proxy providers. You could find the bot if you search for the marketplace yourself, pretty much every bot found there can get the same job done, you just need to do a lot of trials and errors to find what combination of actions/tools that works best for you.
Ok, I will try some bots on the marketplace.
 
Nice journey, I'm impressed.
I got some questions

I know you wouldn't tell the specific name of providers, but:
- Do you use a browser with multiple fingerprints or mobile phones with bot installed OR something else?
- Do you use one proxy per account or use one proxy for multiple accounts?
- What are your techniques in slave account for making people follow back or transfer traffic to your mother account?

I would be really proud if you could answer my questions, thank you in advance.

Thanks, man!

- It's a browser emulation with unique user agents, and accounts run exclusively with API.
- We use only mobile proxies, up to 33 accounts per proxy, but only 10 accounts run on a proxy at a time. We haven't had any problems with this setup so far, but it all depends on the proxy settings. Our current proxy provider has a large pool of IP addresses that rotates every 15 minutes. We've gone through dozens of proxy providers in the past, and there's a chance we'll eventually move away from the current provider as well if the quality drops. It's also possible to find a proxy provider with an even bigger pool of IPs that you could run even more accounts per proxy, but those can get expensive if they have quality proxies ($80+ per proxy). So it's all about testing, testing, testing...
- I've explained this in the main thread, but basically, once they follow our slave account, the slave account sends them a DM introducing themselves as our brand ambassador and promising them a secret code only available for the people referred by the ambassadors. They can only get the code if they write to us on our main profile.

Hope this answers your questions!
 
Thanks, man!

- It's a browser emulation with unique user agents, and accounts run exclusively with API.
- We use only mobile proxies, up to 33 accounts per proxy, but only 10 accounts run on a proxy at a time. We haven't had any problems with this setup so far, but it all depends on the proxy settings. Our current proxy provider has a large pool of IP addresses that rotates every 15 minutes. We've gone through dozens of proxy providers in the past, and there's a chance we'll eventually move away from the current provider as well if the quality drops. It's also possible to find a proxy provider with an even bigger pool of IPs that you could run even more accounts per proxy, but those can get expensive if they have quality proxies ($80+ per proxy). So it's all about testing, testing, testing...
- I've explained this in the main thread, but basically, once they follow our slave account, the slave account sends them a DM introducing themselves as our brand ambassador and promising them a secret code only available for the people referred by the ambassadors. They can only get the code if they write to us on our main profile.

Hope this answers your questions!

Wishing you all the best in your journey. Thanks a lot for answers
 
We didn't create it ourselves, it's a pretty well-known bot in the BHW community. But you can do it with your own bot, or any bot that does Instagram automation.




I read your thread in the past! How is it going nowadays? You're running the mother-slave method as well, combined with e-commerce?

Had to stop for some months to focus on late yrs of college but yes i used IG botting to promote my e-com brand, had around 50 accs that made me 150$+/day which is good. no i dont do mother-slave method as its too much work/expenses with less revenue imo
 
Had to stop for some months to focus on late yrs of college but yes i used IG botting to promote my e-com brand, had around 50 accs that made me 150$+/day which is good. no i dont do mother-slave method as its too much work/expenses with less revenue imo
Damn, 50 accs $150/day, what do you mean "which is good", that's hella impressive! How long have you been running your e-com brand? Why stop? Assuming wasn't as scalable?
 
Damn, 50 accs $150/day, what do you mean "which is good", that's hella impressive! How long have you been running your e-com brand? Why stop? Assuming wasn't as scalable?
Some days even more! for over 2 years. Since i was working alone ( had no partner ). it was really difficult to scale, as soon as i surpass 50 accs , problems starts occuring and it just ruins the process, tried various ways didn't work, at least on the method i use, maybe if i added the M/S method as a 2nd funnel might be good but its too much work for 1 person
 
Had to stop for some months to focus on late yrs of college but yes i used IG botting to promote my e-com brand, had around 50 accs that made me 150$+/day which is good. no i dont do mother-slave method as its too much work/expenses with less revenue imo
What method is better than mother-slave?
 
Following. I've been unsuccessful with mother/child in the past and I'd love to learn more to try again
 
Some days even more! for over 2 years. Since i was working alone ( had no partner ). it was really difficult to scale, as soon as i surpass 50 accs , problems starts occuring and it just ruins the process, tried various ways didn't work, at least on the method i use, maybe if i added the M/S method as a 2nd funnel might be good but its too much work for 1 person
what method did you use?
 

Update - Week 2


14 days since the beginning of the journey.

Progress has been made and we’re slowly, but surely approaching our first milestone.

Despite the promising results, we did encounter a few problems during the weekend that pushed us a step back. Fortunately, we managed to resolve them within 24 hours and we’re back on track!

Let’s first look at the change we achieved in terms of slaves, follow actions and DMs sent.

Week 1
Week 2
Change
Active Slaves​
433​
477​

⬆️ 10%

Avg Daily Follow Actions​
33.365​
52.403​

⬆️ 57%

Avg DMs Sent​
2.187​
4.127​

⬆️ 88%



And here’s the daily performance:

Daily Follow Actions

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Week 1

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Week 2

Daily DMs

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Week 1

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Week 2

As you can see there’s a visible shift during the weekend of Week 2 in both follow actions (drastic decrease) and sent DMs (drastic increase).

The discrepancy in Follow Actions and DMs is due to two unrelated factors.

Let me first address the drop in Follow Actions. At the beginning of Saturday, we refreshed and cleaned our source list. We currently have over 1.500 sources (adding more daily), most of which are accounts between 10.000 and 50.000 followers. When we refreshed the list, the automation software started looking for accounts to follow sorting them from the most recent followers. Since the majority of those followers were already followed, it needed to “dig” much deeper to reach the users that haven’t been followed. Additionally, there was downtime on half of the proxies, which certainly didn't help. Based on the observations, this issue took around a day and a half to sort itself out. Starting today, we’re back where we stopped on Friday.

As for the drastic increase in sent DMs, it was due to a test where we changed who we sent DMs to.

Until now, we were only sending DMs to people who we previously followed. That meant that whoever followed us "organically" wouldn’t receive a DM. Since some of our slave accounts are already thousands of followers big, we decided to test sending DMs to “organic” followers as well, to see what kind of results that will bring. As predicted, this resulted in a massively increased number of DMs, however that didn’t bring any improvement in our in-store performance. Quite the contrary, combined with the decrease in follow actions, most of the DMs sent was to these followers who didn’t come from our provided sources. According to what we saw, the vast majority of these DMs were sent to bots who followed our accounts, so we decided to stop this. We are now back to the previous approach, and the number of DMs should be back to the regular threshold from the previous work week.


Onto the store metrics:

Week 1
Week 2
Change
Sessions​
299​
475​
⬆️ 58%
Sales​
2​
8​
⬆️ 300%
ATC​
14​
60​
⬆️ 328%
Conversion rate​
0.67%​
1.68%​
⬆️ 150%
AOV​
$36.27​
$27.73​
⬇️ -24%
Revenue​
$72.54​
$221.82​
⬆️ 205%


As you can see the tests that we did at the beginning of last week were fruitful. The split-testing showed clear winners that substantially increased the number of sales, ATCs, conversion rate, and revenue. The only metric that dropped was the average order value, but that was expected, as our estimated AOV is around $28. We’ll work on improving this in the future by introducing cross and upsells, but that’s not a priority right now.

We also noticed a clear pattern when it comes to the conversation with potential customers. The days that we got the most sales were days in which we were most responsive to customers, i.e. we answered new messages within minutes of the customer writing. In contrast to that, on the two days in which we were absent for the majority of the day and answered after 6+ hours, we saw no conversions at all, despite the number of messages we received being the same. Of course, this could include a multitude of factors, but we saw the same thing repeat twice, so we’ll pay a close eye to this and try to be as responsive as possible.

As soon as we are in the position to pay someone, we’ll hire an assistant to work 6-8 hours per day and mostly respond to messages from potential customers.

This insight into the behavior of customers also inspired me to rethink my PPC approach, and I’ll be testing some campaigns for e-commerce clients in the future not with the conversion goal, but rather with the message goal and then have someone answer people on Messenger/Instagram and try to convert them into customers. From my current analysis, message campaigns will get you at least 50% higher reach than conversion campaigns with the same budget, and with the right funnel, this could be a goldmine in itself.

Finally, we’re currently working on increasing the quality and trustworthiness of the brand. We are negotiating a batch of 500 or 1000 branded package boxes that we will ship the units in. We are also doing outreach to micro-influencers that are willing to create images and videos for us that we can use for our Instagram page and website, so it looks cleaner and more legit.

That’s it for now and I’ll see you again next week!
 

Update - Week 2


14 days since the beginning of the journey.

Progress has been made and we’re slowly, but surely approaching our first milestone.

Despite the promising results, we did encounter a few problems during the weekend that pushed us a step back. Fortunately, we managed to resolve them within 24 hours and we’re back on track!

Let’s first look at the change we achieved in terms of slaves, follow actions and DMs sent.

Week 1
Week 2
Change
Active Slaves​
433​
477​

⬆️ 10%

Avg Daily Follow Actions​
33.365​
52.403​

⬆️ 57%

Avg DMs Sent​
2.187​
4.127​

⬆️ 88%



And here’s the daily performance:

Daily Follow Actions

m2z4qYKA2IfEl_TzdsRsdG7rOT6wWynB98xSz4sbYSFGJhQM0qIpR29r665oH19-0922kIykGs8stwOVFox41YKDRQez-y_f6gUwxnJG2xsXTT881Sd6eHnXAfvDyXQaO_IOPqzwpW291NWU1TQ5b5durWgAOGovAVXIm6nFmSQEj22e3NljG-dMBw

Week 1

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Week 2

Daily DMs

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Week 1

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Week 2

As you can see there’s a visible shift during the weekend of Week 2 in both follow actions (drastic decrease) and sent DMs (drastic increase).

The discrepancy in Follow Actions and DMs is due to two unrelated factors.

Let me first address the drop in Follow Actions. At the beginning of Saturday, we refreshed and cleaned our source list. We currently have over 1.500 sources (adding more daily), most of which are accounts between 10.000 and 50.000 followers. When we refreshed the list, the automation software started looking for accounts to follow sorting them from the most recent followers. Since the majority of those followers were already followed, it needed to “dig” much deeper to reach the users that haven’t been followed. Additionally, there was downtime on half of the proxies, which certainly didn't help. Based on the observations, this issue took around a day and a half to sort itself out. Starting today, we’re back where we stopped on Friday.

As for the drastic increase in sent DMs, it was due to a test where we changed who we sent DMs to.

Until now, we were only sending DMs to people who we previously followed. That meant that whoever followed us "organically" wouldn’t receive a DM. Since some of our slave accounts are already thousands of followers big, we decided to test sending DMs to “organic” followers as well, to see what kind of results that will bring. As predicted, this resulted in a massively increased number of DMs, however that didn’t bring any improvement in our in-store performance. Quite the contrary, combined with the decrease in follow actions, most of the DMs sent was to these followers who didn’t come from our provided sources. According to what we saw, the vast majority of these DMs were sent to bots who followed our accounts, so we decided to stop this. We are now back to the previous approach, and the number of DMs should be back to the regular threshold from the previous work week.


Onto the store metrics:

Week 1
Week 2
Change
Sessions​
299​
475​
⬆️ 58%
Sales​
2​
8​
⬆️ 300%
ATC​
14​
60​
⬆️ 328%
Conversion rate​
0.67%​
1.68%​
⬆️ 150%
AOV​
$36.27​
$27.73​
⬇️ -24%
Revenue​
$72.54​
$221.82​
⬆️ 205%


As you can see the tests that we did at the beginning of last week were fruitful. The split-testing showed clear winners that substantially increased the number of sales, ATCs, conversion rate, and revenue. The only metric that dropped was the average order value, but that was expected, as our estimated AOV is around $28. We’ll work on improving this in the future by introducing cross and upsells, but that’s not a priority right now.

We also noticed a clear pattern when it comes to the conversation with potential customers. The days that we got the most sales were days in which we were most responsive to customers, i.e. we answered new messages within minutes of the customer writing. In contrast to that, on the two days in which we were absent for the majority of the day and answered after 6+ hours, we saw no conversions at all, despite the number of messages we received being the same. Of course, this could include a multitude of factors, but we saw the same thing repeat twice, so we’ll pay a close eye to this and try to be as responsive as possible.

As soon as we are in the position to pay someone, we’ll hire an assistant to work 6-8 hours per day and mostly respond to messages from potential customers.

This insight into the behavior of customers also inspired me to rethink my PPC approach, and I’ll be testing some campaigns for e-commerce clients in the future not with the conversion goal, but rather with the message goal and then have someone answer people on Messenger/Instagram and try to convert them into customers. From my current analysis, message campaigns will get you at least 50% higher reach than conversion campaigns with the same budget, and with the right funnel, this could be a goldmine in itself.

Finally, we’re currently working on increasing the quality and trustworthiness of the brand. We are negotiating a batch of 500 or 1000 branded package boxes that we will ship the units in. We are also doing outreach to micro-influencers that are willing to create images and videos for us that we can use for our Instagram page and website, so it looks cleaner and more legit.

That’s it for now and I’ll see you again next week!

This is actually the best looking post I've seen on this forum. Wow.
 
Hi! interesting stuff, I do grow my instagram accounts but that is of another niche, I have thing to contribute here, tbh the way I grow my accounts and seeing this method it seems a lot of steps to me though I don't know the efficiency of it, but seeing you have a budget of 1100$ to start with,
what I'd do is find small 50k-200k instagram accounts relevant to cats and offer them to give us a promo for lets say 50$ per post, I'd find a reel or post related to the cat product which has in the past days gone viral on any other page or facebook, and make them post it while tagging my main page for more products like that,
depending on how good the ad is, i'd expect 10-15k organic followers in a budget of $1000. I;m getting more then this though but my niche is different,
After this much growth I'd turn towards growth from reels.
I'm curious to know if you've worked like this before and then you turned to the slave growth method? Because if so then I'd try this as well!
 
Hi! interesting stuff, I do grow my instagram accounts but that is of another niche, I have thing to contribute here, tbh the way I grow my accounts and seeing this method it seems a lot of steps to me though I don't know the efficiency of it, but seeing you have a budget of 1100$ to start with,
what I'd do is find small 50k-200k instagram accounts relevant to cats and offer them to give us a promo for lets say 50$ per post, I'd find a reel or post related to the cat product which has in the past days gone viral on any other page or facebook, and make them post it while tagging my main page for more products like that,
depending on how good the ad is, i'd expect 10-15k organic followers in a budget of $1000. I;m getting more then this though but my niche is different,
After this much growth I'd turn towards growth from reels.
I'm curious to know if you've worked like this before and then you turned to the slave growth method? Because if so then I'd try this as well!

Thanks for the input man!

We did something similar to what you described 4-5 years ago when we were just starting with Instagram. However, I'm pretty confident that the method you use is not efficient and doesn't give even close to the same results as the mother-slave method. And I won't even mention the scalability difference, where the mother-slave is theoretically infinitely scalable, as long as there are users on the platform. Maybe you have a different experience with this, and I'm open to hear the numbers and the goals that you've set to understand whether you managed to achieve something more.

However, just to give you an illustration, if you're looking at only growing accounts (not getting sales, at least not directly), we can easily do 600 new followers per day (18.000/month), and this is the bare minimum, with a setup that would cost us $700-$1000. But numbers aside, we're also getting incredibly targeted growth - for instance in our current niche, we only need women followers, and currently 92% of our new followers on the main account are women. We can also confirm the precision of the targeting through the DMs we receive on our main account, where the vast majority are women, that satisfy all the criteria of our product.

With the method you described you don't have control over the followers quality of the accounts that promote you, so you don't really know who you are targeting, even if the account is very niched. This especially goes for influencers that are very decent, have a great audience base, and have high-quality content. There's no way in the world they are only going to charge you $50 per post for a 50k-200k account. I'm just right now doing influencer outreach and I can tell you that the rates for legit, scalable influencers with 30k followers (which we currently contact) start at $200 per post. I'm sure you'll find much cheaper promotions on higher followers accounts, but that's only possible for theme/meme/niche pages, not influencers, and I know from experience they don't have nearly the authority of an influencer account with a face and name.

Again, I'm definitely eager to hear what your goals are (account growth, leads, sales etc.) and the numbers you are getting, to understand how far you can actually get with that.
 
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