[Journey] Becoming an entry full stack developer in 600 hours of training

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Hello BHW,

I'll start this thread to stay motivated while I learn full-stack development.

The main reason would be to keep practicing the exercises on homework days since the program I will study leaves a significant amount of practice for the students to do on their own.

To finish the bootcamp successfully would take about 600 hours or so and it may not seem like much time, even as a newbie I have my doubts if all that training will be enough to get a job as an entry level web programmer.

While waiting for the program to start I'll try to learn Javascript with a 40+ hour Udemy course and I'll be doing posts about what I'm learning every day.

Any help, tips, comments, notes, etc will be welcome. ;)
 
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600Hrs are 25 days. Thats enough time to master HTML/CSS and some JS. But becoming fullstack in that time you'll be clueless and you wont understand basic logic of how thing works.

Start with HTML/CSS, master it. Than go and learn JavaScript/jQuery, move to PHP (learn laravel) than move to Node.js

you will need 2-3 years of constant learning and practicing. With 600hrs, you are nothing
 
FatBee said:
600Hrs are 25 days. Thats enough time to master HTML/CSS and some JS. But becoming fullstack in that time you'll be clueless and you wont understand basic logic of how thing works.

Start with HTML/CSS, master it. Than go and learn JavaScript/jQuery, move to PHP (learn laravel) than move to Node.js

you will need 2-3 years of constant learning and practicing. With 600hrs, you are nothing
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What do you think of bootcamps that have an average of 600-800 hours of learning? I have heard very different opinions about the minimum training one needs to take a job as a web programmer. Some have given me very short times and there are people who are more like you who think that the minimum would be 2 or 3 years of constant practice. I am totally new to this subject but it seems excessive to take more than 2 years of full-time practices to get one of those jobs.
 
FatBee said:
600Hrs are 25 days. Thats enough time to master HTML/CSS and some JS. But becoming fullstack in that time you'll be clueless and you wont understand basic logic of how thing works.

Start with HTML/CSS, master it. Than go and learn JavaScript/jQuery, move to PHP (learn laravel) than move to Node.js

you will need 2-3 years of constant learning and practicing. With 600hrs, you are nothing
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This is just not true. Obviously what you described is how most of us learned (except for some reason I spent 2 whole years learning to program batch games for no reason), but it's not how it needs to be done. 600 hours is 75 days of full-time (8 hrs/day) work. Say 11 weeks. You can absolutely learn most of what you need to know for html/css/jquery in 2 weeks of full-time study. You're not going to be a savant, but your knowledge will be passable. A week course on server / database structure and basic backend infrastructure. 2 weeks on PHP and SQL. Now you're at 5 weeks and you have the knowledge to create at least a passable non-static website. You probably won't yet have the ability to interface with APIs or create robust applications, but you'll at least have the basic knowledge. At this point, you still have 6 weeks left. A week on security, hashing, best practices, etc. A week on higher-level algorithms. A week on learning to use a more advanced host (AWS, Digital Ocean, w/e). A week on basic design practices. After 11 weeks you're obviously not going to be the best in the world, but you can certainly acquire enough knowledge to at least be qualified for a junior dev position.
 
KidHotel said:
This is just not true. Obviously what you described is how most of us learned (except for some reason I spent 2 whole years learning to program batch games for no reason), but it's not how it needs to be done. 600 hours is 75 days of full-time (8 hrs/day) work. Say 11 weeks. You can absolutely learn most of what you need to know for html/css/jquery in 2 weeks of full-time study. You're not going to be a savant, but your knowledge will be passable. A week course on server / database structure and basic backend infrastructure. 2 weeks on PHP and SQL. Now you're at 5 weeks and you have the knowledge to create at least a passable non-static website. You probably won't yet have the ability to interface with APIs or create robust applications, but you'll at least have the basic knowledge. At this point, you still have 6 weeks left. A week on security, hashing, best practices, etc. A week on higher-level algorithms. A week on learning to use a more advanced host (AWS, Digital Ocean, w/e). A week on basic design practices. After 11 weeks you're obviously not going to be the best in the world, but you can certainly acquire enough knowledge to at least be qualified for a junior dev position.
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I see very large discrepancies in the training time needed to consider oneself a web entry level programmer. This is the first time I hear that you need 600 hours to learn html and css when I am usually told that two weeks would be enough.

I know people who have gotten bootcamp jobs with fewer hours of training and others with many more than mine. The program I'm in also hires but only outstanding students.
 
Isomorphism said:
I see very large discrepancies in the training time needed to consider oneself a web entry level programmer. This is the first time I hear that you need 600 hours to learn html and css when I am usually told that two weeks would be enough.

I know people who have gotten bootcamp jobs with fewer hours of training and others with many more than mine. The program I'm in also hires but only outstanding students.
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Yeah, 600 hours to learn css/html is ridiculous. If you buckled down for 2-3 days you could probably do it, but I said 2 weeks to be safe.
 
Good Luck on your journey. Even if you learn 10 hours a day it will take two month. But let's take a realistic example of 4 hours a day which is 5 month. Definitely possible, I have seen developer learn this in 3 month so 5 month is definitely possible. To learn it is possible, but having experience is a whole different thing. I believe you can do this for sure, it will definitely turn your life around.
 
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Html and CSS will take 2 week..donor take more than that..as you will use CSS and HTML in JavaScript or php
 
It can be done. You don't mug up methods and classes as a programmer. You just need to learn to use them so that you can search for classes through documentation when required and use them. What you need is "tact", common sense and practice.
 
Ueqika said:
Good Luck on your journey. Even if you learn 10 hours a day it will take two month. But let's take a realistic example of 4 hours a day which is 5 month. Definitely possible, I have seen developer learn this in 3 month so 5 month is definitely possible. To learn it is possible, but having experience is a whole different thing. I believe you can do this for sure, it will definitely turn your life around.
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Thank you for your encouraging words. My goal is to keep up with at least 5 hours a day.

Naresh11 said:
Html and CSS will take 2 week..donor take more than that..as you will use CSS and HTML in JavaScript or php
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I guess I should alternate my time between JavaScript and Html but for now I will try to complete my Udemy course on JavaScript.
vijayj said:
It can be done. You don't mug up methods and classes as a programmer. You just need to learn to use them so that you can search for classes through documentation when required and use them. What you need is "tact", common sense and practice.
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I will keep that in mind. From what I see, the instructor of Udemy's course thinks the same as you, that is, he just gives a practical touch to the methods and classes. Thank you.
Lakesh said:
All the best mate
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Likewise :)
 
What I learned today:

- Basics of variables
- String methods
- null and undefined values
- math objects
- Parseint and parsefloat
- Conditionals
- Basic Operators
- Arrays and objects

48 out of 483 completed readings from the Udemy course. Today I will try to pass the 50 reading mark.
 
Naresh11 said:
instructor name??
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Colt steele and Stephen grider
Crazyfire said:
How this is calculated? 600 hours are approx 5 months. The estimated time to finish the course is a little over 500 hours, approximately a little over 4 hours a day to finish it in 4 months, but I put in 600 because I don't want to pass the program with the minimum.
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I didn't post my update yesterday because I was too tired at the end of the readings.

What I learned yesterday:

- More arrays.
- Objects
- Loops
- Functions and function scopes

I'll do an update later today on what I learned today. So far I have completed 10 chapters out of 33.
 
FatBee said:
600Hrs are 25 days. Thats enough time to master HTML/CSS and some JS. But becoming fullstack in that time you'll be clueless and you wont understand basic logic of how thing works.

Start with HTML/CSS, master it. Than go and learn JavaScript/jQuery, move to PHP (learn laravel) than move to Node.js

you will need 2-3 years of constant learning and practicing. With 600hrs, you are nothing
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You won't need 25 full days for mastering HTML/CSS/JS, you'll learn it in 7 days tops and after that you will continue on to mastering it while developing the other skills.

But I do agree, 600hrs probably won't be enough to becone a full-stack dev. But it can easily land you a full-stack dev job. All they want when hiring is someone that's a willing and quick learner.
 
Two-day update:

- Destructurring
- Objects methods
- I learned the basics about DOM and its manipulation. From this point on I will have to learn HTML to continue.
- I read two chapters of You Dokn't know JS: Get Started by Kyle Simpson which is an introductory book that introduces you to the other series of advanced Javascript books. This is the theoretical part that was missing from my JS learning. So far I've read about the history of JS, the compatibility of forwards and backwards, the use of transpilers in JS programming today, the discussion of compiled and interpreted languages and some theory about equations, comparisons and classes with examples.
- I focused more on practicing code since I was watching the readings as if it was a speed run.
Today begins my first bootcamp class so I will reduce the time I spend on my JS courses and start dividing my time between what I am assigned there and my self-learning.
 
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