IM career over

Coming from someone who is a full time grad student I can see where your coming from. School + IM = no social life. Some days I am just burnt out but I know its temporary. If I see my schoolwork suffering from IM then I will cut back or stop what I do online all together. So far my time management has enabled me to do both without a problem but if I weigh what I am currently making online (around 1G a month) against the salary for the field I'm going into (150K+ a year) I would have to go with school hands down.
 
You should look at the bigger picture.

You'd prefer to be in "the system" and be a slave to someone else for the rest of your life? Unless you want to be something specific like a doctor then I can't understand why you would give a shit anymore about college.

The whole point of IM to get rich is not for the money or the Ferrari. It's to liberate you from the crap everyone else puts up with.

I agree with this on a certain level.

With all the advertising about getting a college degree, I realized that it is just a business like anything else.

They want you to get in debt and sign up for their programs so they can make a profit - you are not guaranteed employment; meanwhile, after 4 years of college and a crisp piece of paper in your hands you find yourself waiting in a line behind 100 other people with the same degree trying to get the same position which was advertised that you could get after you obtain said degree...

I got my AA degree when I realized that, and decided not to continue any "formal" education. What is "education" (or, rather, "college")? Basically everyone buys the same book and reads from it while the professor holds your hand. You don't need to sit in a classroom if you really want to learn something. The only reason why you would want to do that is so you can show some sort of proof of having knowledge in a certain area if you are looking for employment.

I, on the other hand, decided to use what I learned outside of the classroom and opened up my own brick and mortar store. The funny thing is when I got my business license my "education" wasn't a factor. Nor was my credit, references, or even being a local resident. You hand them your money, and they let you do business --> and its up to you whether or not you succeed or fail.

IMO college is for people who are W-2'ers, or for people who want to socialize or get better at an elective.

I have family with 4+year degree's making $18/hr trying to survive and not knowing from day to day if they will be laid off. How is that secure? Only you can secure your future by not relying on other companies/businesses to not go out of business --> and you do that by working for yourself.

You do NOT need an education to be successful - at least in my country :)

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i dont see what the big deal is. im in college and i still market for a living...it's all about priorities and getting shit done imo
 
If you're worried about the outsources stealing your ideas/methods/etc., then I suggest compartmentalizing the work. I don't know what your strategy/method is, but here is an example:

1. Hire someone to do the research

2. Hire someone else to do the url scraping

3. Hire someone else to do the article writing

4. Hire someone else to SEO the articles

5. Hire someone to do the backlinking

6. Hire someone else to do the pinging

etc. etc..

The point is, those who you hire are to never know about the other people whom you've hired. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, only you do.

or you could just buy senuke lol
 
Coming from someone who is a full time grad student I can see where your coming from. School + IM = no social life. Some days I am just burnt out but I know its temporary. If I see my schoolwork suffering from IM then I will cut back or stop what I do online all together. So far my time management has enabled me to do both without a problem but if I weigh what I am currently making online (around 1G a month) against the salary for the field I'm going into (150K+ a year) I would have to go with school hands down.

A friend of the family has the same degree that I'm going for, and he makes 300K/yr at 35 years old. That's something nice to fall back on as plan B I believe.

BTW: whoever gave me neg rep for this thread is a douche. All I wanted was some advice. I've been a bit stressed lately and just wanted to let off some steam. Seriously, stop trolling.
 
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simple hire freelancers and divide your IM job in small chunks and outsource to them several freelancers.. this way no one can get the idea behind what you are doing or how you are making money and you ll also get your job done perfectly and pretty cheap.

that's harsh. but I'm willing to be one of those freelancers for a price ahahaha
 
A friend of the family has the same degree that I'm going for, and he makes 300K/yr at 35 years old. That's something nice to fall back on as plan B I believe.

BTW: whoever gave me neg rep for this thread is a douche. All I wanted was some advice. I've been a bit stressed lately and just wanted to let off some steam. Seriously, stop trolling.

Not to burst yours or anyone else's bubble, but its a fact that only 1 in 5 college graduates are able to find jobs after college.

We live in a new economy, "high paying jobs" are leaving, and leaving fast.

Just take that into account when you prioritize. It might save you some huge headaches later if things don't work out the way mom and dad said they would.

Good luck
 
This is my opinion for what its worth..

Complete a Msc in Applied Computing Technologies done hundreds of software development courses, networking and hardware training courses - spent most of my adult life in education.

This what ( I think )

Not sure when but maybe 10 - 20 years ago the university thing has become a archaic institution in terms of help you get a job.

Dont get me wrong a friends did an archeology course that he did just for the fun and he loved the subject, he knew his degree would not get him anywhere.

If you read Rich Dad Poor Dad Robert Kiyosaki talks about his dad working his self into a early grave, my dad did the same, his dad was worked like crazy for a degree then furthered his education once he was in work, all sounds very admirable doesn't it, well not to me, we dont live in biblical times we should step back from the BS of working hard to get a good life for our families.

Another great book is the napoleon hill think and grow rich, these type of books make you see working like a nutter dont get you nowhere FAST!

I was talking to my farther in law the other day, he said why dont you tell my daughter this as she is going through the Uni thing, if I stood by what I believe in I would tell her that shes wasting her life, well hes right, but my daughter has no other direction at the moment other than this - and to be honest its better having a degree than not.

But if you are awake - and see the opportunities on the internet - why the hell would you ever apply for a job that has a ceiling of 80k per year, I have friends locally that make good money in IM, I dont in comparison, but that said I earn more now than anyone I have ever met in my 37 year, regardless of there profession - im not blowing my trumpet but stating a fact that even if your shit at IM you can have a good life - if you have some good skills you can live the dream.

One last thing is - money is and never has been my god - it the fact I dont need to go out to work when its pissing down on December morning or I can sit in the garden when the suns out in summer.

I would not walk away from this for a life of hard work... DONT DO IT MAN..
 
You can still make money with IM.
Just outsource it.
If you are using WH method than i am interested to help you.
Good luck with your study , it is important too.
 
Do both. I see were your coming from as I'm a older adult taking classes towards a IT degree. I use to make great money online, mostly from emailing. I outsourced it, but wasn't in college at this time. Internet isn't stable at all. For me its a roller coaster ride.
 
Stick with school at all costs!

You have a chance to make money by partnering/outsourcing work, whereas just dropping IM altogether guarantees no additional money made, so I would consider that. You can always do IM later in life, but it is much more difficult to get through college later. I'd say your priorities should be as follows:

1. School
2. Outsourcing (if you have the time to monitor/train your workers)
3. JV
4. School + IM yourself (but it sounds like this isn't really a good option based on your OP)

Believe me when I say that school can really pay off. I did 7 years of college, have a bachelors, masters and doctorate and it has paid off big time, and now I do both IM (part time) and my "day" job (which I hope to ditch in a few years to do IM full-time).

Don't despair. Take the difficult road now and you'll reap the benefits later. Stick with school no matter what!

Let me get somethin straight here...

You did 7 years of school and spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on it during that entire time period, used that degree to get your "day job", and now you hope to ditch that very day job that you got the degree for to do IM full-time?

You're saying how important the degree and college was but yet you want to completely ditch everything that you got because of it.

It doesn't make much sense to me and sounds like a big contradiction.

If you have the opportunity to pursue IM full-time and make enough with it where you can support yourself and your family and never have to work a regular job again, then what's the point in spending all that time and money going to college if you're never going to use it?

And I hate the argument of "well having a degree is more secure because you can fall back on it". Who's to say that you will even be able to find a job with your degree anyway? And if you do find a job, how do you know you won't be fired any day due to downsizing or whatever else?

Not trying to attack you or anything here, but I just disagree with your argument seeing as you yourself want to do IM full-time which doesn't require any sort of degree or college education, and then on the other hand you tell the OP to stick with college at all costs.

A friend of the family has the same degree that I'm going for, and he makes 300K/yr at 35 years old. That's something nice to fall back on as plan B I believe.

Just because your friend of the family makes 300k with his degree doesn't mean you will necessarily make anything close to that. How do you know you will even be able to find a job in that specific field anyway?

Nothing is guaranteed just because you have some piece of paper that says you completed X amount of credits and got a degree.

I'm sure there are hundreds or thousands of others also trying to get jobs in that same field as you.

A college degree can teach proper English. I have my college degree and let

me tell you it's one of the best things you can do in your life. I make "a

fortune" being a boss of people that patrol local streets at night and

protecting families. It's about doing what you love and what means most in

your life. I love internet-marketing, but I think it's kind of unstable. One day

you could be banking a lot, and the next day you could make $0. As with

work, I can go in work 10-hours and have no worries. (Plus City Benefits ^_^)

I think the younger black hatters have it in their heads that Black Hat is a

way to avoid college. It isn't. If you really want to master Black hat, get a

degree to fall back on in case something doesn't go through. Just my two cents.

PS: worth does not equal work.

And trust me I'm a total leader with a college degree. (I lead 15 different people.)

Thanks.

I would suggest focusing on college.

And what happens when you walk into work one day and they decide to let you go because they can't afford to pay you anymore? How is that "stable" or "secure". One day you're making money, and the next day you're making $0 just like that. Doesn't sound any different to me.

Then what happens if you can't find another job in your field or even in any field? If you're your own boss, you won't have that problem because you're not relying on someone else to pay you.

Maybe it will never happen to you, but lots of others thought the same thing and apparently they are out of jobs right now too. I don't know where you're from, but here in the States the unemployment rate is around 10% I believe. I think it's safe to say that a majority of these people have degrees too so what does that tell you?

Let me also ask you this...does your line of work have anything remotely to do with your degree? Being the boss of people that patrol local streets at night doesn't sound like something you need to go to school for 4 years for. Maybe you could have gotten that job anyway without going to school.

I'm just trying to play the other side of the coin here since almost everyone that has responded to this thread is trying to push college and getting a degree onto the OP even though he sounds like he's doing OK with his IM ventures.

Sure college is good for some people, but it's definitely not a requirement to be successful nor do you need it to fall back on if you know what you're doing.

A lot of millionaires/billionaires never went to college and if they did, their businesses have nothing to do with the degrees they got. Just proves that self-education is WAY more valuable than anything you could learn in a University unless you want to specialize in something like a doctor, lawyer, etc.

My advice to the OP: Do what you feel comfortable with. If you're almost done with school, then you might as well finish it just because you already spent that much time there. I definitely wouldn't give up on IM though. Try to outsource more of it for now or just spend a little less time on it if you're having trouble focusing on both.
 
Hmm... it depends what you wanna do : )
College/Uni is good to make contacts, get some social environment and give you some skills, which you can't learn by yourself (I'm at technology university and believe me, there are things, that you won't learn by yourself without seeing it live xD)

The next thing is - what does money mean to you? I don't want to spend all my life sending ads to other people only because it makes me some cash - I like some responsibility at work. It's not.

Sorry for my idealistic opinion, but, you know.
Idealistic people run our world. They're making progress, inventing technologies etc. etc. :] It all depends on your goal, if you only want to have money for house, car and parties - go for it. IM can pay it (for now).
For me it's not everything : )

cheers!
 
The next thing is - what does money mean to you? I don't want to spend all my life sending ads to other people only because it makes me some cash - I like some responsibility at work. It's not.

Sorry for my idealistic opinion, but, you know.
Idealistic people run our world. They're making progress, inventing technologies etc. etc. :] It all depends on your goal, if you only want to have money for house, car and parties - go for it. IM can pay it (for now).
For me it's not everything : )

cheers!

You act like the only thing IMers do is send ads to other people to make money. There's thousands of different ways to make money online, you just gotta find which one you enjoy.

And what greater responsibility can you have than being your own boss? I think it takes a WAY more responsible person to be able to work for themself rather than blindly following whatever "the boss" tells them to do.

Lastly, not everyone does IM just for the money. I think the main thing for most people is the freedom it allows. You can't really put a price on freedom.

Oh yeah and as far as progress goes, it's entrepreneurs making all the progress in the world and going to school doesn't teach you anything about entrepreneurship, just how to be an employee.
 
Hmm... it depends what you wanna do : )
College/Uni is good to make contacts, get some social environment and give you some skills, which you can't learn by yourself (I'm at technology university and believe me, there are things, that you won't learn by yourself without seeing it live xD)

The next thing is - what does money mean to you? I don't want to spend all my life sending ads to other people only because it makes me some cash - I like some responsibility at work. It's not.

Sorry for my idealistic opinion, but, you know.
Idealistic people run our world. They're making progress, inventing technologies etc. etc. :] It all depends on your goal, if you only want to have money for house, car and parties - go for it. IM can pay it (for now).
For me it's not everything : )

cheers!

Honestly I am going to side with http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/86206-j1218.html here, he pretty much summarized everything . If you think sending ads to people is all Internet Marketing is about then you might as well quit now, cause you havent seen the big picture.

That my friend is blackhat , like every good damn marketer knows. You stick with whitehat for the long run, blackhat is just to get some quick money and cash out. Plus why spend 7 years on college just so you can have something to lay back on. OH gosh you guys seriously believe that bullshit of a secure job with a degree . lol you guys are all brainwashed.

Now if you have a college degree and u are employed and doing IM part-time then you are not really doing IM and ur scared to go full-time IM.

In my opinion you are missing the big point of IM. Why would you want to be tied down to a 9-5 and do IM part-time. Even if i make a good amount of money from my job i wouldnt do both at the same time, unless i really need the money or am planning on going IM full time .

You are never going to be rich or a millionare by having a part time job and doin part time IM, you gotta go IM full time. Your wage will never increase as much as IM , so why stick with it?

Plus you should know by now that most college degrees are meant for you to be an employee not your own boss. So if you want to be someones bitch go ahead work for someone, just dont come crying when they fire you and thought you had a secure job.
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@DigitalGangster
Bro, I didn't want to insult anybody ; ) I'm in IM too, making some bank and I enjoy it. IM, not blackhat, I told "sending ads" just for example. Just want to say, that making a college degree (in my case it's tech science) sometimes has some sense. I can make a living online right now and I like it that way.
Just like to learn new things, same as new methods in IM.

I'm not saying, that College > IM, but also don't want to say IM > College. It depends on person and don't want you to think, that people who makes degree are lazy, unconfident and naive. It's not always true : )

Thanks for your rep!
 
@DigitalGangster
Bro, I didn't want to insult anybody ; ) I'm in IM too, making some bank and I enjoy it. IM, not blackhat, I told "sending ads" just for example. Just want to say, that making a college degree (in my case it's tech science) sometimes has some sense. I can make a living online right now and I like it that way.
Just like to learn new things, same as new methods in IM.

I'm not saying, that College > IM, but also don't want to say IM > College. It depends on person and don't want you to think, that people who makes degree are lazy, unconfident and naive. It's not always true : )

Thanks for your rep!
I understand your point and where are you coming from. But as you can all see the most young individuals arent gonna get social security . I know for a fact i am not, so thats my main worry . Believe it or not I want to be able to enjoy my freedom when i get older, right now am young and stupid and very naive. But I dont want to get older and look back at the years i wasted working for someone else and never developed my little empire. Ofcourse empires are made in one night, it takes years to create a nice solid passive and residual income. I am 19 right now and i know that if i continue this I will for sure be making a 1 million dollars a year by the time I hit my 40's.

Besides in IM
You Reap What You Sow
 
The OP should probably only consider opinions against college from actual graduates. Those without a degree can't possibly have a subjective opinion about how good or bad college is.

I would never see my time as wasted and neither would 90% of the people I've met during my studies. Of course sometimes you have the occasional simpleton who can't figure out a strategy to go to most parties and at the same time not let his grades slip but their whining isn't by any means vital to the academical authority.

Many dropouts are looking for a way to rationalize their decision but the chance to become really rich in hard numbers is less than winning a lottery. Also there seems to be always the need to talk about how good life can be without college. I just smile politely and try not to bring any arguments against such an absurd claim as it would be effectively dissing my interlocutor (even though he's trying to achieve that exact same thing).

A common misconception is that college and having a boss for life go hand in hand. The truth is, if you want to be the boss you need a degree. Granted there are uneducated people in high positions but it is not all that common. As to the 9 to 5 jobs, people on wages need to time their work a lot more precise, just check any uncomplicated job.

Another overlooked fact is that potential business partners actually care if you have a degree or not. The academic know-how of doing things has never fallen out of favor.

Thirdly, there is a lot of outsourcing going on and the simpler the qualification the faster it gets outsourced abroad. Big companies will always need people to steer the outsourced departments though and this will never get handed over. Educated professionals are used for that. So yes, local mechanics are let go for Mexicans but the chief stays (or the company goes bankrupt).

And IM in its present state is indeed just that: pushing ads and hoping that someone buys something and another one gives you a piece of the profit. You don't actually create anything, rather simply connect buyer and seller. If someones sees a bigger picture than that, he might as well try to paint it for the rest.

The money in IM is sweet, no doubt about that, but it is boring as hell. I sometimes donate my time on open source projects that actually serve a good purpose instead of mindlessly testing some new uncreative bot that only serves to divert money from the buyer-seller flow.

It is very unethical imo to try to prevent someone from studying esp. if that someone can afford it. If he can't afford it, well that's life in a capitalist society.
 
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