How long should web 2.0's and PBN's age

I suppose this must be a fundamental question for anyone trying to build any tier of backlinks. I have seen anywhere from 6 months written in guides to people just using GSA SER to spam the shit out of them.

I suppose this means tier 2(?) and tier3 should be spammable but tier one must be hand crafted and age for months. Am I right? Would love to see some input

metalfingersdoom said:

I suppose this must be a fundamental question for anyone trying to build any tier of backlinks. I have seen anywhere from 6 months written in guides to people just using GSA SER to spam the shit out of them.

I suppose this means tier 2(?) and tier3 should be spammable but tier one must be hand crafted and age for months. Am I right? Would love to see some input

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I suppose gsa ser can be used to schedule it over an amount of time but I never used the software lol. It sounds like it will spam it over the course of 5 days rather than 2 seconds which shouldn't make a big difference in Google's eyes

Are you asking how long they should age before you post on them, or how long they should age before you build links to them?

Zombie Pop said:

Are you asking how long they should age before you post on them, or how long they should age before you build links to them?

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Well I guess both. I suppose backlinks should be placed later on anyway. So how would one go about with this?

With web2 I don’t post for at least an hour after account registration. PBN doesn’t matter. The only point of “aging” a web2 account is so that your account doesn’t get deleted for spamming when you post within seconds of registration.

When it comes to building links to a webpage, I don’t wait unless it’s a new website. Then I wait about a month and focus on content.

If you’re spamming SER links to pump up your spammy t1 pbn links, I don’t see much point in aging posts. I never have. It’s all spam. If you really wanted to you could wait a couple weeks to a month on an established website or send social signals to it first. I never have.

don’t blast SER links at pbn posts you’ve paid for.

Zombie Pop said:

With web2 I don’t post for at least an hour after account registration. PBN doesn’t matter. The only point of “aging” a web2 account is so that your account doesn’t get deleted for spamming when you post within seconds of registration.

When it comes to building links to a webpage, I don’t wait unless it’s a new website. Then I wait about a month and focus on content.

If you’re spamming SER links to pump up your spammy t1 pbn links, I don’t see much point in aging posts. I never have. It’s all spam. If you really wanted to you could wait a couple weeks to a month on an established website or send social signals to it first. I never have.

don’t blast SER links at pbn posts you’ve paid for.

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Then how is the link tier pyramid supposed to work tho? If we're not going by the SER method then there must be something to feed manually opened non-spam web 2.0's or pbns with backlinks for instance. Is this an either or situation? As in either go spam a website and have it raised before it is penalized or go buy a high domain authority expired website.

metalfingersdoom said:

Then how is the link tier pyramid supposed to work tho? If we're not going by the SER method then there must be something to feed manually opened non-spam web 2.0's or pbns with backlinks for instance. Is this an either or situation? As in either go spam a website and have it raised before it is penalized or go buy a high domain authority expired website.

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I'm saying this because you specifically said not to spam bought pbn's. Should I manually craft web 2.0's to support them?

metalfingersdoom said:

I'm saying this because you specifically said not to spam bought pbn's. Should I manually craft web 2.0's to support them?

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Lets clear the air:

Question one: lets say I made a non spammy web 2.0, how do I support it? Do I even support it? Will the authority it inherits from the parent organisation be enough?

Question two: If spamming backlinks to a bought PBN or non spammy web 2.0 fucks it up then am I supposed to craft everything by hand?

metalfingersdoom said:

Lets clear the air:

Question one: lets say I made a non spammy web 2.0, how do I support it? Do I even support it? Will the authority it inherits from the parent organisation be enough?

Question two: If spamming backlinks to a bought PBN or non spammy web 2.0 fucks it up then am I supposed to craft everything by hand?

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You can do what you want to do with web2 or paid for pbn links. It’s your time and money.

The reason why I am saying don’t spam SER links at paid for PBN links is because you will wind up ruining the sellers pbn in time and they are likely to delete the page your link was on and 301 that garbage away from their PBN if it’s a PBN worth caring about. That’s all I meant by saying don’t spam paid pbn links with SER. It’s a dick move.

other than that you got the right idea.

metalfingersdoom said:

Lets clear the air:

Question one: lets say I made a non spammy web 2.0, how do I support it? Do I even support it? Will the authority it inherits from the parent organisation be enough?

Question two: If spamming backlinks to a bought PBN or non spammy web 2.0 fucks it up then am I supposed to craft everything by hand?

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1. building links is how you support it. How you go about building links, as in your strategy is what you will find to be the thing in need of change/tuning now and again.

2. If your strategy is to use automated means then no you don’t craft everything by hand. It really depends on you, your skills and knowledge of SEO, and moreso what you are doing/your strategy. The strategy you are talking about is an automated strategy from what I gather. There’s different ways to do that strategy. You can blast tiers or you can drip feed.

I’d suggest trying different things and split testing, since you’ve mentioned you’ve never used SER. I have SER spamming right now. Been using it since 2013. You’re going to have to try different things. Always split test.

Zombie Pop said:

1. building links is how you support it. How you go about building links, as in your strategy is what you will find to be the thing in need of change/tuning now and again.

2. If your strategy is to use automated means then no you don’t craft everything by hand. It really depends on you, your skills and knowledge of SEO, and moreso what you are doing/your strategy. The strategy you are talking about is an automated strategy from what I gather. There’s different ways to do that strategy. You can blast tiers or you can drip feed.

I’d suggest trying different things and split testing, since you’ve mentioned you’ve never used SER. I have SER spamming right now. Been using it since 2013. You’re going to have to try different things. Always split test.

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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/need-help-for-web-2-0-link-building.1320537/

hey man, the stuff I see from this thread is full of people pointing out how it should age and look natural. Have you just tried this and not seen any benefits or do you just prefer to spam in general.

SAMPLES:

1, you need as many you can do in your niche and drop feed them slowly.

2, you should only post around 3 per day spread over 24 hrs
Bestspinner <<<< good.

3, heigh da can use tier 1 >> direct link to main website .
Middle da tier 2 >> everything pointing to a blog with a link to main website.

All the rest tier 3 full gsa blast to tier 2 blog.

Da from moz.


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1 As possible as the blogs you make will have to look real

2 Its autonomy over how your backlinks works, but don't try to post same content on multiple blogging site.

3 Its advised to use a buffer site, on links from higher authority blog network, if using more web 2.0 go with tier 2

4 Use Google Webmaster account to index your newly created web 2.0 website. You can also index through GSC.

In 2014-2016 I used to do “the art of super Web 2.0” like youve mentioned above. Spending a lot of time on them. Interlink posts and try to make them look real. And that worked for the low competition stuff I was trying to rank for back then.

Then my web2 s that I spent all that time and effort on started getting deleted. Wasted a lot of time and effort because of that. That’s when I stopped doing that and just started using them like the pump and dump trash that web2s are. Pump them up with spam, until they are deleted and do it again.

Since about October 2021 some google update made web2 etc pretty much void of any ranking power. If you can even get them indexed now the only thing they are worth is for making pillow links.

You don’t have to age them for months or really more than a few hours before you post a post. They will get deleted sooner or later anyway. If you’re going to invest effort into something make it something you control and will actually rank you for more than some easy and obscure KW. I. E. your own pbn. Then use web2 on tier 2 if you want to use time or resources on that.

that’s been my actual experience. And is also my opinion. I hope it helps you out somewhere down the road!

Zombie Pop said:

In 2014-2016 I used to do “the art of super Web 2.0” like youve mentioned above. Spending a lot of time on them. Interlink posts and try to make them look real. And that worked for the low competition stuff I was trying to rank for back then.

Then my web2 s that I spent all that time and effort on started getting deleted. Wasted a lot of time and effort because of that. That’s when I stopped doing that and just started using them like the pump and dump trash that web2s are. Pump them up with spam, until they are deleted and do it again.

Since about October 2021 some google update made web2 etc pretty much void of any ranking power. If you can even get them indexed now the only thing they are worth is for making pillow links.

You don’t have to age them for months or really more than a few hours before you post a post. They will get deleted sooner or later anyway. If you’re going to invest effort into something make it something you control and will actually rank you for more than some easy and obscure KW. I. E. your own pbn. Then use web2 on tier 2 if you want to use time or resources on that.

that’s been my actual experience. And is also my opinion. I hope it helps you out somewhere down the road!

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thanks 4the reply bro. This last one really clarified it for me. Was planning on using lots of web 2.0's for T1

Zombie Pop said:

In 2014-2016 I used to do “the art of super Web 2.0” like youve mentioned above. Spending a lot of time on them. Interlink posts and try to make them look real. And that worked for the low competition stuff I was trying to rank for back then.

Then my web2 s that I spent all that time and effort on started getting deleted. Wasted a lot of time and effort because of that. That’s when I stopped doing that and just started using them like the pump and dump trash that web2s are. Pump them up with spam, until they are deleted and do it again.

Since about October 2021 some google update made web2 etc pretty much void of any ranking power. If you can even get them indexed now the only thing they are worth is for making pillow links.

You don’t have to age them for months or really more than a few hours before you post a post. They will get deleted sooner or later anyway. If you’re going to invest effort into something make it something you control and will actually rank you for more than some easy and obscure KW. I. E. your own pbn. Then use web2 on tier 2 if you want to use time or resources on that.

that’s been my actual experience. And is also my opinion. I hope it helps you out somewhere down the road!

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Then you would also agree that the PBN timeline or any other website that'll act like a PBNs timeline should be drop fed am I right? I guess all of this takes spinning articles etc out of the picture except for comments maybe, since you won't be building web 2.0's.

May I also ask you why you use the web 2.0's right now via SER? If google barely indexes them and gives 0 authority anyway, do you just use them to make space for your exact match anchors?

I’m not using web2 via SER. I never said that I was.. I have a lifetime license for rankerx.

I am not using web2 at all in my strategy currently. If I do, it will be solely for pillow links.

As for PBN or any link on your t1. It needs to look natural. Unless you’re Best Buy, you’re probably not going to be generating hundreds of links everyday. Or even one link a day in a lot of cases. So yes, drip feed your t1. I drip feed t2 and t3 as well. Always checking for deleted links and replacing them.

I’ll tell you a strategy I’ve had success with quite a bit in the past and now. It’s no big secret and it’s not something extraordinary. It just makes more sense than spamming tiers all at once the way we used to in 2012.

I build ONE t1 link. Then I build out the whole of the t2 to that t1 link. Then I build out the whole of t3. When it’s done, I build one more t1 link, then build out t2, then t3. I continue this pattern until I see the results I want.

Also since you’re about to start your first campaign, I’ll tell you another strategy I’ve used. It’s also not a big secret many people know about this. I’ve ranked several websites without using any keyword anchor text. Simply url variations, brand and naked url with the keyword right near the link to the website. It works.

You got to have more than one strategy especially if you’re ranking multiple websites in the same niche.

Good luck

Zombie Pop said:

As for PBN or any link on your t1. It needs to look natural. Unless you’re Best Buy, you’re probably not going to be generating hundreds of links everyday. Or even one link a day in a lot of cases. So yes, drip feed your t1. I drip feed t2 and t3 as well. Always checking for deleted links and replacing them.

I’ll tell you a strategy I’ve had success with quite a bit in the past and now. It’s no big secret and it’s not something extraordinary. It just makes more sense than spamming tiers all at once the way we used to in 2012.

I build ONE t1 link. Then I build out the whole of the t2 to that t1 link. Then I build out the whole of t3. When it’s done, I build one more t1 link, then build out t2, then t3. I continue this pattern until I see the results I want.

Also since you’re about to start your first campaign, I’ll tell you another strategy I’ve used. It’s also not a big secret many people know about this. I’ve ranked several websites without using any keyword anchor text. Simply url variations, brand and naked url with the keyword right near the link to the website. It works.

You got to have more than one strategy especially if you’re ranking multiple websites in the same niche.

Good luck

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thanks, from what I understand pbns are all one can build anyway now days right? The niche placements etc are probably bought to fit into t2 and t3 (if wanted). You probably give more weight to wikis article directories and other shit tier link building on tier 2 and three more. Is there anything wrong with this statement? thats what the entire pyramid looks like

metalfingersdoom said:

thanks, from what I understand pbns are all one can build anyway now days right? The niche placements etc are probably bought to fit into t2 and t3 (if wanted). You probably give more weight to wikis article directories and other shit tier link building on tier 2 and three more. Is there anything wrong with this statement? thats what the entire pyramid looks like

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If you can clear out these couple questions you will be my hero lol. All I need right now

For t1 PBN, guest post, niche edits, are the cats meow. They get indexed. It’s not as spammy as posting an article about diet pills or foot creams on a website that is about trucking or biology or whatever random websites you find scraping targets for SER.

In t2 and t3 I don’t really care about the platform or the designation as long as the page gets indexed and the link is contextual. Indexed contextual links hold some kind of value.

Zombie Pop said:

For t1 PBN, guest post, niche edits, are the cats meow. They get indexed. It’s not as spammy as posting an article about diet pills or foot creams on a website that is about trucking or biology or whatever random websites you find scraping targets for SER.

In t2 and t3 I don’t really care about the platform or the designation as long as the page gets indexed and the link is contextual. Indexed contextual links hold some kind of value.

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Alright. I see you completely left blog comments out of the picture. I suppose you have some for diversity sake but I dont think you even consider them tier three. It seems you just do the same thing giving less of a fuck as you go down tiers.

By saying platform or link context etc you still sound like you have some degree of control over the page rather than commenting for instance. So they are pbns or bought guest posts. Am I right?

Excuse me for bothering you bro. I really have to get my shit together and you are being incredibly helpful right now. It'll be great once I get this all crystal clear. Thanks.

Love me some boondocks btw

Sorry I spaced on the blog comments. I don’t use them in tiered link building. For tiered links I only use do - follow, contextual, indexable links. All the way up or down however you want to see it. I use nothing else in the tier. I do not waste resources building links to no follow stuff.

Sometimes I will use blog comments for t1 as pillow links. Brand or url only like any other pillow link. I create them manually if I am going to have that on t1. Hence why I spaced on answering about blog comments, because I don’t really enjoy finding, and posting blog comments. I honestly have not bothered with that in years. But if I didn’t have much of a budget I’d probably throw a few of those in since they are free. I only will use moderated blogs and I do my best to make sure that my comments will be approved since I’m using my time on them.

To answer your question about where the links are coming from in the tiers. It depends. I am random with link building. One tier might be a bunch of paid for links on PBN or whatever as long as it will stick. From t1 to t3 (if I even do a t3 sometimes I don’t!) Some tiers may be 100% SER from. Some tiers might be a combination of paid links (cheap PBN and other sources) and SER links (mostly in t2 for both). As long as they are contextual and indexable. It also will depend on what my budget is and what else I’ve done.

I don’t use a cookie cutter link building scheme. I suggest you don’t get stuck in that hamster wheel either.

Sometimes you don’t need to do tiers. Not everything has to have a link Pyramid behind it.

Make some links. Take the first step. You will have failures. You will have success. It could be short lived. It might last for years. All of this will be something to learn from but you’re going to have to start building links first

metalfingersdoom said:

By saying platform or link context etc you still sound like you have some degree of control over the page rather than commenting for instance. So they are pbns or bought guest posts. Am I right?

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Yes contextual links are links that have the anchor text in an article. For lower tiers you can buy cheap PBN links here in the Marketplace. There are sellers selling $1 PBN links and cheaper like 200 posts for a few bucks