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How I make over $10k in CJ alone. Whitehat method that works with any network.

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by mrsmirf, Feb 5, 2009.

  1. mrsmirf

    mrsmirf Junior Member

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    I was asked the following after stating my $10k average earnings on CJ.
    For my Cj campaigns alone (I work with many other networks) I generally end up spending around $2k-2.5k on my PPC and media buys per month. It changes from month to month though. But lately been able to push down costs further by optimizing my landing pages with more text tweaking. Also it seems the longer the campaign history the cheaper the per click rate becomes. People usually set and forget landing pages that's like giving up on 50% of the battle. Yes keywords and adcopy are extremely important but once you find keywords that convert well you need to tweak your LP to bring down your bidding costs.

    To start off I went through CJ and applied to a whole bunch of merchants I even contacted some telling them that I was going to put some serious effort in promoting them so if they had a better CPA or sales rate they should send me that offer. It worked a couple of times ofcourse those companies moved up to the top of the priority list. Then I slapped together some very generic landingpages (generic graphics and images) studied the merchants website to answer the simple question. "Why would anyone buy from you?" Once you figure that out you have all the best calls to action you can use on your landing pages. The key is K.I.S.S theory you have to Keep It Simple Stupid. Remember you usually have a few seconds to convince a buyer that your offering them exactly what they've been looking for. Don't worry about stuffing your page with details. The max amount of points you should stress are 10 if that. I try to stick to top 5 reasons that answer the why question.

    Now depending on the niche you can pull up some wikipedia material to copy and shrink font size and have be directly below you ad text or graphics. I've experimented with making my page just an image so their bot can't read it and optimized the wiki article again to get a better quality score and bring down costs. This method works great and seems to be able to get a better Ctr from landing pages to the merchants page.

    People often feel that these landing pages must be these masterpieces of art. That isn't the case trust me I'm no artist and I've been successful building my own. Your placement of words the flow through writing and calls to action are the most important factors. When you start finding sales then you can invest in a snappy graphics designer and such. Don't waste your money.

    Anyways, now you've been accepted into a CJ merchants account also possible at a higher rate. You studied their pages developed 5 to 10 calls to action. Then you researched the market for keywords. A great way to do this is go to the merchants site look at their page source and hopefully there you will find meta tags with keywords or in their title tags. Now go to google and search up those keywords. Look at the top three ads and how their structured. The top ads are often the most successful. Try to experiment with variations of those ads or remix elements that they had. Also look at the top results in the search take a look at their source you should find more keywords to target for your PPC campaign and more to do testing with.

    Now to the fun part you have your keywords ( you can use keyword tools on the web to find more), you have an idea of what successful ads look like and generic landing page has been put together. So all their is left to do is setup your campaigns on adwords (you can later on expand to other adnetworks, adwords tends to have the best quality traffic so always use them to test out campaigns first). Make sure to start off your per click bid high so you end up on the first page results. Make sure to also set a daily budget or you might end up with a nasty suprise the next time you login. Depending on competition, quality score, and ctr of your campaign you should never end up actually ever hitting your max bid. Make sure you also have a good tracking tool to log which keywords brought in traffic that ended up clicking through to merchants.

    Split test your campaigns targeting only up to 10 keywords and make your ad copy highly customized to those campaigns. You can take this further when you land some keywords that convert and also customize your landing pages for those keywords to increase sales.

    Now let it run for alteast a week to get a proper idea of how the keywords perform. Running a campaign for only a day is not useful enough info to make decisions with. At the end of the week take a look at the best preformers and try to figure out why. Then try applying it to the other variations and adgroups. The campaigns that are doing real bad dump them. The ones atleast covering your costs work on them some more they have great potential and the ones going great export those campaigns to other adnetworks to multiple your successes.

    Finally move on to the next merchant and repeat the whole processes again. I use this process across several different cpa networks and its worked everytime.
    I try to seekout merchants that are stable and not running limited time offers or campaigns. That means less work for you in the future (ie updating campaigns and such).

    Good luck and much success to everyone. All it takes is a lil work. I'm sure once you see things working you'll be even more motivated to do better and better!
     
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  2. mrsmirf

    mrsmirf Junior Member

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    Most of you might already know this info but people don't realize there is no magic bullet. You have to test test test, try try try. The day you start implementing instead of just reading is the day you start your journey in earning money online!
     
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  3. hotwicked

    hotwicked Regular Member

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    it is a solid way of doing it the whitehat way, and probably known by many, but it's good to see you have success with it.
     
  4. roychuk

    roychuk Junior Member

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    hey mrsmirf, I have a whitehat site promoting CJ stuff. I got over a 1,000 visitors clicking through and not one sale! My CTR is in the double digits.

    CJ claims all kinds of excuses but I haven't made 1 cent yet with them. What's your opinion on that. BTW, my niche is in the hotel business.
     
  5. DaveNL

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    I have left Adwords and i am never going back, lost $5K the first time and $3K the second time around, it isn't all that easy, people have to be prepared to trow a lot of money against it before ever seeing some returns.

    My feeling with PPC is that it is totally overrated and overpriced, there are other (cheaper) ways to get traffic.

    But still your post was a great read for people ho want to get into PPC

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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  6. patgelose

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    10k a what? day? week? month?
     
  7. WickednDivine

    WickednDivine Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Do you find it's hard to track your CJ earnings when doing it via PPC? CJ's tracking is sometimes delayed quite a bit, and it always throws me off!
     
  8. mrsmirf

    mrsmirf Junior Member

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    You can drive 1,000,000 visitors to your advertisers but if they don't have a reason or an interest in what your advertisers are selling you won't get a single sale. You have to make sure that your visitors are completely aligned and interested in what products your advertising to make any type of sales. As they say it isn't about quantity its about quality.

    For example if you have an entertainment website about say Miley Cyrus which general audiance is teens and below, don't be expecting to be advertising any offers that requires a credit card because your demographics won't have it. If they do have access to one it'll be their parents will have those restrictions that come along with it. So basically you have to know the demographics of your visitors very well. If you don't why not ask them? Or setup surveys or votes and findout.

    In terms of CJ tracking the only two major issues I've had with them is their delay in reporting sales and also the fact that their clickthrough data doesn't matchup with the data I have. Usually it appears that CJ has a much more inflated count of clickthroughs then the number I have from my own tracking software and the ones that show up on adwords, yahoo, adcenter ..etc..etc. This problem is better then them under counting, which they don't do.

    Heck it might be that your links arent setup properly or the simple fact that the merchants website just doesn't convert visitors. Have you ever had any sales from your visitors from other merchants in the hotel business?


    See, the thing is PPC can be a bottomless pit that you can run through thousands of dollars very quickly with no results. Thats why you pace yourself by setting in controls like campaign budgets. You also must test test test out variations of your campaigns and keywords..this is where the work is and this is what lot of people fail to do. As you end with a larger and larger stock of successful campaigns you start to get a feel of what works well within a given niche and you build upon that. You should not brush off PPC marketing, you get instant access to million of visitors in any given niche. You can't do that with any other type of marketing including SEO. All of the other methods take much more time. Listen picture PPC marketing like flying a plane. If you just get up one day and jump in the cockpit and try to fly it most likely you will crash and burn. But if you take small steps practice(test) then move on to the real thing (bigger budgets) you should be able to land safely. Although ofcourse like with flying no matter how good you are there is always a chance of something going wrong. Realizing this and keeping it in mind will keep you going until your pockets are fat with cash.

    That would be above $10k a month with CJ. I do aswell if not better with handful of other networks. I just haven't been focusing on CJ too much.

    Yes, when starting out this is one of the most annoying aspects with CJ. But even if you are receiving almost instant data about conversion like you do on several other networks you should always give your campaign a couple of days to get the most realistic picture and data to make decisions. I've stated this in my original post and I do it again, do not be impatient, because there are various factors that will effect sales. Time of the day, time of the week, holidays, major events, etc..etc countless things. The best scope in the shortest time I think is atleast over a week.
     
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  9. sittara

    sittara Newbie

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    That was a very helpful post. Thanks for the share.
     
  10. Rkelly

    Rkelly Junior Member

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    Thanks for posting that helped me a lot. My goal is make my first 1k this month or so.
     
  11. blackhataffiliate

    blackhataffiliate Senior Member

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    Excellent information for newbies. Now for all those asking how do I make money, here it is. Apply it and scale it.
     
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    I found that to be the most informative point. I know the rest but that is a good suggestion. Been using images for awhile but never thought to add wiki text. Good stuff, thanks for typing all that up.
     
  13. mrsmirf

    mrsmirf Junior Member

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    Yes, this would be great to find better paying rates. Again I wouldn't really bother with besides asking the merchant if they'd be willing to give you a higher pay bracket. I would go do this after I have found find some winning offers that actually convert. You don't want to waste your effort on offers that just aren't convertible or that you have no success in finding the right audiance for.

    Yes, it doesn't just have to be wiki, you can use articles from article databases or anywhere really. Just play around with them until they have the right keyword density and repeating phrases for adwords to index to give you a higher quality score. Ofcourse if you want your landing pages to also get indexed well you'd be better off writing some unique text or just rewriting these articles into your own words.
     
  14. flow

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    Thanks mrsmirf, this is exactly what I've been plotting. You lost me here though:

    1) Why are you putting wiki info on your page? 2) What about duplicate content penalties? 3) You made the page an image and then just left the wiki article? 4) I'm completely confused :)
     
  15. dwpg002

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    Is there any tool to find what keyword was using by adword adds
     
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    dwpg002 Senior Member

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    hi mrsmirf Can i know are you blanking the referrer that you r getting the traffic from PPC or just open
     
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    thank you thank you thank you
     
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    fizfaziq Newbie

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    I don't think that the duplicate content is a problem here (on adwords), but of course unique content is better. This is because, as per my experience I just using PLR articles (not unique) with just copy and paste to my landing page (normally on article page). So far the quality score is not bad. I think it just will help the google adsbot to check what is the content in your landing page to match with your keywords to determine the QS for your each keywords.

    Oh at least that's for me.. :)
     
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  19. periodmao

    periodmao Newbie

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    It seems like a huge project. Anyway, it works.
     
  20. raotnv

    raotnv Junior Member

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    Really Wonder Full Post. You explained in just few paragraphs of what popular gurus charge for $1000s and in several 100 pages.

    I got a question, always I confuse in putting highest bid for the right keyword. If the adwords shows maximum first page bid for the keyword is $2.00 which is quite expensive when I want to use that kind of keywords in campaigns like email submits. How do I decide this kind of situations?.