how good is this linking strategy for blog farm?

Umm .... oldenstylehats ....
Where is graph theory in this ?

You have just made it complex....

Instead of intertwining them.... just follow a simple sequential path ->

1->2->3->4->5->6->7 ..... KISS (Keep It Simple)

I personally think the method in the image posted by red1leafs is efficient provided that the round about loops 1-7,2-8 are removed and instead pointed to one single MAJOR node , say 1. 1 should rank very well then ...


http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=307303123935cb840771modvn8.jpg

freakolgist said:

Umm .... oldenstylehats ....
Where is graph theory in this ?

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It's the foundation of the entire post, which you would understand if you knew anything about graph theory.

freakolgist said:

You have just made it complex....

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That's the point. Your way and red1eaf's way both have an easily identifiable, unsubtle footprint. If you don't think that the search engines have algorithms that are searching for those kinds of patterns, you're wrong. The method I outlined requires many, many more cycles (or "tries") to effectively figure out the probability that Nodes 1-7 are members of an unusually "greedy network" that are trying to create network bias towards 5. Your network, once the edge's were detected (which would be easy) would only require a few cycles.

freakolgist said:

Instead of intertwining them.... just follow a simple sequential path ->

1->2->3->4->5->6->7 ..... KISS (Keep It Simple)
Which will get you

I personally think the method in the image posted by red1leafs is efficient provided that the round about loops 1-7,2-8 are removed and instead pointed to one single MAJOR node , say 1. 1 should rank very well then ...

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I think you're taking the sequencing of the actual numbers on each node too seriously. They could be any numbers that you want them to be; they only exist to discern one object from another and to make describing the system easier. The graph that I posted is arranged in the way it is, because that is a good way to spatially arrange a directed graph with 7 nodes and that number of connections.

I'm not going to argue with you about methodology. Try it your way and tell us how it works in a week, a month, and then again six months from now. Maybe that's how I should have responded to red1eaf's post in the first place instead of taking the time to write something that might hip people to some new empirical ways of thinking about the subject.

oldenstylehats, you seem as if I offended ya !
I'm sorry if I did.....
Come on now, forums are for idea clashes and debates (arguments is not the right word).


neways .... back to the discussion....

Say
Each node has prestige of 2.
If we follow a linear Funnel as shown above by OSH,
1 passes 1 prestige to 2.
2 passes (2+1)/2 = 1.5 to 3.
3 passes (2+1.5)/2 = 1.75 to 4.
4 ==> 1.87 to 5
5==> 1.80 or so to 6.
6==> 1.76 or so to 7.

So, if say, we divide the funnel into three layers ,

MODIFIED VERSION :-

http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=307303123935cb840771modrh1.jpg

According to calculations, 1 will then have a prestige of 6.18 instead of 1.80 .

What do you say ?
For detecting this method, SE's would have to undergo 3 vertical loops alongwith 2 horizontal loops at each level.....

To Oldenstylehats... VERY well presented information with empirical facts to back it all up...

In laymans terms:
the tic-tac-toe grid is great, but just ask yourself... how long does it take for me to understand what exactly is the pattern THEN ask yourself how long does it take to understand exactly what is going on in the graph in POST #2 of this thread.

I suspect most will not be able to recreate the graph from memory... it's more complicated to a human. Imagine now algorithms attempting to sniff a pattern... the sad part is... it all probably only matters when you have finally arrived on the 'first pages' of a search engine and that is when the scrutiny really heats up (I suspect).

xhanuman !
Jai Shree Ram

xhanuman said:

To Oldenstylehats... VERY well presented information with empirical facts to back it all up...

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agreed

xhanuman said:

In laymans terms:
the tic-tac-toe grid is great, but just ask yourself... how long does it take for me to understand what exactly is the pattern THEN ask yourself how long does it take to understand exactly what is going on in the graph in POST #2 of this thread.

I suspect most will not be able to recreate the graph from memory... it's more complicated to a human. Imagine now algorithms attempting to sniff a pattern... the sad part is... it all probably only matters when you have finally arrived on the 'first pages' of a search engine and that is when the scrutiny really heats up (I suspect).

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Hanuman,According to the 'remember' theory that you propose and As I pointed out earlier, The graph is a simple sequence ... 1->2->3->4->5->6->7 with disorderd sequence.

Anyways, just dropped by to say that I'm gonna pursue this to the bottom. Will make a case study out of this and post it on my blog and on BHW

Working links farms like this is fine in theory
Until each node has hundreds or thousands of subpages that need links in and out
Then break out excel a few weeks later and even you get lost in your own spread sheet

Mix into that some link partners that come and go and you will spend all week looking at the spread sheet

Now remember this is just one link farm so just how the hell well the g track it
Just one way interlinking your domains to much

That's way site wide links are a no go

But the theory is great

This was a great read. So from the diagrams, basically '1' is your money making blog?

*zap* said:

Then break out excel a few weeks later and even you get lost in your own spread sheet

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I use paper and pencil. Worx for me.

I just launched a new farm. to make easier for you guys try to copy the image that oldenstaylehats has on his post then using any image editor just type the websites that are created in the corresponding node. Print the page and hang it on your wall ( I have 4 of them haging by the way =p)

Hi all!

heyoka, in another thread, pointed to a site that might interest those of us more graphically oriented:


Here's the thread:


I sometimes have difficulty visualizing some of these concepts, so its always nice to have a diagram or drawing to refer to. Hope this helps!

Cheers!

iamsgf said:

This was a great read. So from the diagrams, basically '1' is your money making blog?

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Yup. 1 is the Money Making Site.

I've looked high and low on how to implement this and let me tell you a few things that I've found that works.

First if you are interested in Blog Farming and want to save some time use ContentBoss's autoblogger.

I think it's $49 dollar per month but you can build linking blogs blogger or wordpress blogs very easily. Plus the Webmaster is really cool and has a quick turn around on help. What's cool is it rotates your anchor link to your top level website with as many keywords as you want. What I did was build a little bit each day. Slow growth is the key so you don't get shut down.

The method I used which is outlined on ContentBoss's site is to use Wordpress blogs that directly link your site and for every wordpress blog you link blogger blogs. Everything is automated. The content is related and is good-to-okay.

My Method:

Xrumer backlinks/SeNuke/Article Subs ------> Blogger Blogs (3 Per Wordpress Site)----->Wordpress Site(Anchor Keyword)----->Main Site

I've seen really good rises in SERP's then a small drop but then I just slowly keep expanding this process add a few new blogs a day. I'd say every 10 linking blogs I see another rise in SERP's

Hope that helps!

dmed123 said:

I've looked high and low on how to implement this and let me tell you a few things that I've found that works.

First if you are interested in Blog Farming and want to save some time use ContentBoss's autoblogger.

Code:

http://contentboss.com

I think it's $49 dollar per month but you can build linking blogs blogger or wordpress blogs very easily. Plus the Webmaster is really cool and has a quick turn around on help. What's cool is it rotates your anchor link to your top level website with as many keywords as you want. What I did was build a little bit each day. Slow growth is the key so you don't get shut down.

The method I used which is outlined on ContentBoss's site is to use Wordpress blogs that directly link your site and for every wordpress blog you link blogger blogs. Everything is automated. The content is related and is good-to-okay.

My Method:

Xrumer backlinks/SeNuke/Article Subs ------> Blogger Blogs (3 Per Wordpress Site)----->Wordpress Site(Anchor Keyword)----->Main Site

I've seen really good rises in SERP's then a small drop but then I just slowly keep expanding this process add a few new blogs a day. I'd say every 10 linking blogs I see another rise in SERP's

Hope that helps!

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Do you monetize the "slave" sites"?

If you think it's at all difficult to traverse a linked list of web sites in a blog farm then you need to reevaluate your place in this discussion.

You're jumping on board olden's useful post here with a simplistic analysis and attempting to make out as if olden's rambling on about unnecessary complexities where as you have the ingenious simple solution. Not cool.

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I'm just determinig alternatives. Anyways, read graph theory,What good 'ol oldenhats proposed is also a single dimensional link list that is 'more' easily traversed.... While the second one is a multidimensional list.....

adamster said:

Do you monetize the "slave" sites"?

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Nope. I guess I could but I rather push any traffic to my main site. You want link juice but you do get some traffic thru with the "slave" sites so I'd just keep them clean. Also your CTR for adsense on your master site rises so if you monetize that way you'll see a boost in that. I think it's wiser just to push anyone that visits the sites thru to your main money page.

Hi Fellow Madhatters,

Here is what I use for drawing, it is a free version....go value!!!:

Eddraw "mind mindmap"


They also have a good selection of other interesting and affordable apps as well.

Randy Rhodes has an interesting guide (in case you missed it in BHW):-

I have no affiliation with either, use at your own risk!

Best Regards,

Dave

N0H4T said:

Hi Fellow Madhatters,

Here is what I use for drawing, it is a free version....go value!!!:

Eddraw "mind mindmap"

Code:

http://www.edrawsoft.com/archives/edrawmax.exe

They also have a good selection of other interesting and affordable apps as well.

Randy Rhodes has an interesting guide (in case you missed it in BHW):-

Code:

http://www.wordpresssuperinstaller.com/Setting_Up_an_Effective_Blog_Farm.html

I have no affiliation with either, use at your own risk!

Best Regards,

Dave

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Interesting Read! Thanks. I like the Randy Rhodes guide he has a interesting way of connecting all of them.

Just thought i would add you could also spread all your links across these blogging sites, it would leave basically zero footprint if done as explained by the posts above

Livejournal

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LiveJournal.com - One of the most well known of the blogging hosts. Offers multiple account types such as ad-supported and paid. The center of a few controversies recently.

Themed Blog Sites

Blogabond

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BlogCheese.com - A video blogging website.

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Freevlog - Designed for video blogging and completely free.

Trippert.com - Create and share blogs of your travels.

Ufem.com - Blogging site specifically geared towards women. Offers multiple themes and plugins.

Word Count Journal.com - A new blogging format that is also part challenge. Write one word on the first day, two words on the second day and so on, at the end of the year you'll have written 66,795 words.

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WordPress Powered

WordPress

Blogetery.com - Offers multiple templates, anti-spam, free sub-domain and more.

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Edublogs.com - WordPress powered blogging for educators.

WordPress.com - Not only can you install WordPress on your own sites, you can use the same software on their site and save yourself all of the technical work.

Various Platforms

Blogger

Blog.com - Offers free blog hosting with unlimited bandwidth for their free package, more benefits for paid members.

Blog Ladder.com - All blog entries show up on the main ladder as well as inside your own blog.

Blogger.com - A great starting site to get a taste of blogging, very easy to use.

Blogr.com - Allows you to blog, host photos & videos, and podcasts.

BlogSpirit.com - European based blogging site, offers 30-day trial and subscription thereafter, but offers quite a bit of storage.

Blogster.com - Offers free image hosting in addition to free blogs.

BlogYx.com - Blogging site with extras such as chat boxes so you can interact with your readers.

Bloki.com - Lets you build a blog site and even open it up for collaboration.

Bravenet.com - Free blog hosting with RSS feeds and more.

ClearBlogs.com - Free blog hosting and offers templates, friends only posts, IP-Banning and more.

Etribes.com - Based in Europe, allows you to create all sorts of websites including a blog.

Multiply.com - Mixes blogging and social networking, with photo galleries and more.

Netcipia.com - Free blog and wiki for private or public display with 2GB of storage.

Open Diary.com - Offers unlimited storage and posts, low cost subscription rates for advanced features.

ShoutPost.com - A platform for creating blogs with a focus on generating traffic.

SoulCast.com - Have something you want to talk about, but want to say it anonymously? This may be the blogging site for you.

Squarespace.com - Lets you build your blog with numerous themes, also allows you to add other site features.

Terapad.com - Offers blogs as well as features such as an integrated store.

Tooum.com - Fully integrated blog and forum which allows for seamless discussion between the two.

Tumblr.com - A blog platform with a focus on allowing media-rich posts.

Weebly.com - Allows you to create a site and blog, free hosting and change designs on the fly.

Windows Live Spaces - Free blogging with your MSN account, only drawback is readers have to have an account also.

Vox.com - Part of the SixApart family of blogging sites, very much geared towards the personal journal types of blogs.

Xanga.com - Part social network, part blogging, all free.

Yahoo 360 - Part of your Yahoo account and features easy publishing.

Zoomshare.com - Free blog hosting with 250MB of free storage.

freakolgist said:

I'm just determinig alternatives. Anyways, read graph theory,What good 'ol oldenhats proposed is also a single dimensional link list that is 'more' easily traversed.... While the second one is a multidimensional list.....

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Do you honestly believe that you understand how dimensionality in systems works? Do you realize that you misused that phrase in that last sentence in an attempt to try and disparage someone with a functional understanding of the math that you're talking about? Do you understand how complicated path traversal is to calculate? Do you know any algorithms to do it?

I'm not going to argue with you about this stuff because you... have... no... idea... what... you're... talking... about. I'm also not going to try and qualify myself, but it's obvious that you've never actually studied any of the things you're trying to discuss. I think I understand your intentions for replying and posting all of this, but you'd be much better off in the "argument" or whatever you perceive this as if you knew the math and weren't just trying to interpret what you were reading online and spitting it back under guise of understanding.

I'm not offended by you at all. That'd be like a major league baseball player with 400 career home runs being upset at a little league player for telling people that his swing was all wrong. It just doesn't jive, captain. Spend a few years in the classroom studying, followed by a few years in the wild applying what you learned. When you've done that, you'll get a serious response from me.

I've always avoided making posts trying to simplify a wide variety of math-related topics that are inherently complicated for the purposes of explanation for exactly this reason. Apparently my misgivings are completely justified. It's sort of a shame.

As I have stated , This is a new method ..... not an empirical one .....

Having an empirical method does not mean that you should not try new methods that may have better efficiency.
Having a proven method does not mean you are the one who is right and other new methods are all wrong.
Jeez, People can't take other (maybe new & effective) methods in the right spirit !!
I just expressed my 'personal' opinion that your method was simple and ineffective (but you have credit , cause it is an old , simple and a proven method). Does not mean this thread is closed for other ways ..... And as oldenhats mentioned, in the above post, about the baseball player , You should fkin not care about what I think and should use your brain to analyze what I have stated.

Say what, I'm setting up two farms .
The first to rely on oldenhats proven old method and the other to try out the NEW method. This way , I open up to new ways and not sulk at other ways . I also minimize my risks to certain degree with oldenhats method.

PS:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
-- Mark Twain


I did not want to Brag and display my knowledge previously, But it is better some people know that I have done my engineering in Information Technology.
Know my Linked Lists,Discrete Structures, Trees , Graphs: alongwith Dijkstras, Depth first, Breadth First, pre order,post order et al .... and have coded these algorithms and Data structures....