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How do you define hard work?

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  1. gman777

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    How many things done in a day would reach the "hard work" zone in your opinion? In the seo area for example.

    Also, I keep overloading myself with tons of tasks to the point where I don't complete anything.

    I haven't mastered most of them(example creating web 2.0, changing things in it), and this also makes me ricochet to other things.

    Despite I know the concept of long term planning, I feel like I can't effectively make use of it.
    I know that I should start from somewhere, but still...
     
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    Hard work is one requirement for success imo.
     
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    Try to automate anything you can... I struggle with this too and I've been in the game for 6 years. You just have to keep pushing. Think of ways to make the tasks faster, try to step back and look at things from a different perspective.
     
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    The Success is in SEO just a matter of doing smart working not a hardworking.

    Forget about making many thinks at a time. Go with one one. You will make it simple
     
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    Imo smart work and hard work have to be combined to get the most out of it. Simple mathmatics.

    I support your approach of doing one thing at a time to master something.
     
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    Since quitting my corporate job in 2015, with a few months savings and no real plan.. this question of 'hard work' torments me every day.

    "Am I working hard enough? Am I just a piece of shit lazy slacker, who will never make anything of himself?
    "

    The problem is, the more I get self-critical and down on myself for not taking action, the worse I feel about myself … and the less energy I have to start taking action.

    One of my biggest issues in life, is low self-esteem. It is the reason I was never a good employee (I was an introvert and hated the corporate culture) And It is the biggest issue now holding me back from success as an entrepreneur.

    I had no safety net, but I had a few $XXXX USD to throw around. I had no better plan than to try and find a way to make some money on the internet. I spent some money on some gurus' courses, and torrented a whole bunch more. I didn't know what, if not all of it was bullshit. But I had to act and do something... because I had committed career suicide in the corporate world, and I needed to start bringing in an income.

    On the other hand, I was still a lazy slacker and couldn't get myself to grind and do hard work. I spent every waking hour reading and learning (ok, except for all those I was smoking weed and playing video games), but I was not really taking steps to work on my business.

    Finally I pulled the trigger and followed one plan to private label an Amazon product. I was lazy as hell and put very little 'work' in keyword research, or thinking about how I would market my product. But I pulled the trigger and wired about a $1000 to an Ali Baba supplier to get a totally generic, shitty quality product. The fear of being homeless motivated me to take that much action, at the very least.

    What happened? I got lucky... You couldn't do it today, but in early 2015 you could put any generic Chinese crap up on US amazon, and it would sell. It’s only that I look back now over two years later that I realize “yeah, I’ve made a full time living off of the internet”. Meanwhile, at the time there was no feeling that I had “made it”. I felt like I was scrambling and failing and at the edge of doom the whole time.

    I have had to adapt and evolve since then. The first product ended up failing, the second product was a moderate success, the third was a 'home run'.

    There were weeks and months where I coasted… I enjoyed autopilot income and couldn’t be motivated to do any work. There were other moments where I faced sheer terror, as Amazon changed a policy or algorithm, and I had to scramble to make changes to stay afloat. I realize that my days are numbered, what works now will not work forever. I need to proactively be working and building and diversifying income streams

    So at least I could focus and work hard when I was in dire straits. My other strength was training myself to be pretty fearless with money. I’ve learned that I can leverage money, to test, outsource, and automate systems. I learned that you have to spend a few months in the negative, before you go positive. Investing in inventory and seeing the ROI roll in a couple months later taught me that.

    But I’m still lazy. I want to outsource everything and most days I can’t put my nose to the grindstone and just bang out content or whatever I 'should' be doing. One lesson that rang true for me in my Amazon business is “Never outsource your marketing”. Writing of any kind is an excruciating exercise for me, but some fiverr gig to get sales copy is not going to move your product. I had to learn that lesson in the real world. Stuff like that you gotta nut up and do yourself, and do right… because those small margins are what separate the big boys and girls - from those wannabes who think and theorize but never make it work for themselves.

    So I’ve rambled quite a bit now, and I apologize for that. I’ve enjoyed some success, I was able to take some correct action. I’ve found that ‘working hard’ is often doing the stuff that you are avoiding the most and what sucks the most. Whatever you fear and are avoiding, is probably what you should be working on. People spend their lives making themselves busy with tedious tasks and then taking pride in being a hard worker. You could dig ditches and be the hardest worker of them all. Unfortunately, life isn’t fair, and the economic value of that ditch digger is not as high as someone who sits at a computer all day to come up with 9,999 ideas that don’t work and 1 that does.

    Thinking is the hardest work of all. Someone said that. Was it Napolean Hill? Didn't he die penniless?

    I still have that low self-esteem though, and every time I hear someone say “hard work, hard work”, I internalize that and feel guilty, like the lifelong slacker I’ve always been. But beating yourself up doesn’t pay your bills, it doesn’t make your problems go away. You can’t get any leverage on yourself to take action until you love and accept yourself.

    LOL speaking of lazy I just spent like an hour writing a 900 word BHW post, and meanwhile I can’t finish my first money niche site so I had to outsource it to another 'native writer'. Haha... I'm an American of Indian heritage (think 'call center', not 'casino') so I love all you Indian bros in this game trying to make a buck (or devalued Modi Rupee). That 200 years of British occupation really paid off in terms of the 'Native English' skills.
     
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    If you work hard you don't have time to actually make money :)
     
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    hard work - is absolute requirement for success

    some time hard word do not pays back, because you are doing work wrong, we have to do hard work in right way is >> smart work.

    and that what makes you money
    some time work looks hard. because we don't like it. but we have to do it complete - in my case keeping the hard work continuous

    some time we don't feel like work is hard, because we love it . but some one who does not love it. might fount it difficult. that's all what i think of lord WORK :p
     
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    All this smart work is hardwork talk... but if you're working all the time how do you ever step back and see things from a higher viewpoint? You could be working so 'in the box' you're missing some major piece of yourself that you need to address.

    You are not a robot on an assembly line making widgets. You are an artist, a creator.

    I'm not saying avoiding work is the right thing. You have to face it head on. You must be brave and spend your time facing the complex problems you have been avoiding and procrastinating on addressing.
     
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    When I take the canoe out and the wind is strong enough that is pushes me all over the place and I have to really row hard.
     
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    Assuming you are trying to measure how much effort you are putting in to your projects on a daily basis then I think you need to find your balance between working as much as you can and working too much that you become unproductive.

    I try to work hard every day in that I resist the urge to chill out / watch TV or anything but rather concentrate and spent maximum amount of my time working on my projects. But at the same time I know that after a certain point if I keep working I become less and less productive so thats when its time to stop and do something else.
     
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    Absolutely. And once you're immersed in a project, it's on your mind 24/7. I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night because I'm so wired and excited about trying something new. Stepping away from the work for periods of time can often end up being the most productive thing of all.
     
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    Your hustle is only as good as your grind.
     
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    Thanks guys for inspirational thoughts. From today i'm going to sleep only 3 hours a day ! I need money.
     
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    Hard work is work that you do despite it being mentally and/or physically draining. This is why you should choose to work on projects that have a payoff and are not simply endless streams of hard work.
     
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    Hard work ≠ smart work.

    Aim for effective work over efficient work and you'll get more in six hours than you would usually do in twelve.

    Also, a big thing for me is happiness and excitement. If I am working on a project, and after a while it gets boring, I'll either sell it off, throw it away, give it away, or strip it for parts and repurpose into something else.

    If you don't enjoy what you do, what's the point in doing it?
     
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    I had to go away for a while and calm down after reading the title of this thread. The phrase 'hard work' brings me out in a cold sweat...
     
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    Hard Work is when you do something you don't enjoy doing and work under a boss. Ex:9-5 job
    Smart Work is being your own boss, working less and making more money. This is the way to go if you want to make alot of money!
     
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    It's all about how smarter you're working and not how harder.

    Especially when it comes to SEO and Online Marketing, It's always a wise to spend less time doing more smarter tasks.

    I've been in the game since 2008, And I've never got to learn about it until very recently when I started my blog.

    Believe me or not, But I got to know what was the meaning of working less and earning more. I got to learn how to do it just right!

    Do you have a blog or what you're doing basically in terms of SEO?
     
  20. Sherbert Hoover

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    Might I suggest using a plugin such as WP Smush to optimize the images on Grow.cheap? I popped your site into Pagespeed Insights after visiting it took a while to load, and it was suggested to optimize images. "Optimize the following images to reduce their size by 798.6KiB (75% reduction)."

    That would really help the page load time.