High Google PR

seomanifest said:

If you buy an expired domain you will lose the benefit of all the onsite linking that was done.

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No you don't, i've got 100's of domains that kept their Pagerank or rose in Pagerank after buying them so not sure why you think that.

Besides, if you are in the "Link Selling Business" it doesn't matter. You buy a domain for $100, sell $500 worth of links in a day and move on to the next. If it drops from PR5 to PR3 a few months down the track during next update it makes no difference.

If you are building links every day to a handful of domains in the hopes of selling some links a few months down the track it's hardly a business. It's more like making a few dollars to try and cover costs for your effort.

I was recently able to take a brand new domain from PR N/A to PR6 in 2 months (from date of purchase to the first google PR update after purchase).The inner pages are PR3-PR5 x about 60 pages. This was completely unexpected, and a pleasant surprise, as I hadn't purchased any links at all. Just my normal SEO regimen using various free link building techniques, daily for about 30-40 days.

I also agree that PR is pretty much meaningless, however I was able make some decent coin($2645 to be exact) selling various permanent links on this site. I know this is going to kill the PR. But I needed to raise some capital for a bigger and better project.

I have since started several other projects using the exact same SEO formula used on this first example. If I am able to get these sites up to the same PR there could be some potential for some good cash if I multiply the idea by 100 or 1000.

I'll be sure to report my findings here. seomanifest: pm me if you need a few tips

Please tell us about your linking methods more...
Thanks anyway. Now I know that it's possible to develop a pr6 site from scratch.

Hi Webmastr,

I have sent you a PM

I got PR5 in my first PR update on a wordpress blog I created about anonymous surfing/privacy/etc. I initially created this blog to promote my proxy sites but never ended up using it. My stupid ass sold it for $150 on DP, didn't realize I could have made that much by selling 1 or 2 links on it. I achieved that PR by doing some minor link building for some of my better articles, and doing link exchanges with relevant high PR sites. Wasn't difficult at all actually. But I had quality content (and the site wasn't spammy) so people were happy to exchange links with me.

I just found out that twitter is probably one of the hottest ways to get some very high quality links, if you have not tried it you definitely should give it a go!

seomanifest said:

I just found out that twitter is probably one of the hottest ways to get some very high quality links, if you have not tried it you definitely should give it a go!

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They are Nofollow, hence useless for Pagerank.

Sweetfunny, you've made a lot of very good points in this thread. I think it is really important for folks who are new to marketing to ignore PageRank. As Sweetfunny said, it is true that you can make some money selling links or flipping sites because of their PR, but that is not a sustainable business model and I'd bet if you averaged your wins and losses over the long run, you'd only come up a little ahead, if at all. Don't chase the short game unless the ROI is high.

Developing good content on sites that are not filled with advertisements will get you traffic and SERPs. PageRank will inevitably follow suit, but you won't have achieved it by trying to game the system, you'll have achieved it in a natural way. Instead of spending time writing articles for Associated Content, try writing articles about a subject that you know well for your own blog. The more practice you get developing blogs with content that actually interests you, the better you'll get at creating them and the more likely one of them is to hit.

When you've got a site that is getting a decent amount of traffic and that is ranking well, you can then begin to think about monetizing it. Don't go for the fast money via link selling or a quick site flip, because it will end up diminishing the value of your asset(s). Remember that there a balance between content and ads is important to remaining successful. Building up a site, only to fill it with ads, is, in my humble opinion, an absolute waste of time.

White hat SEO is about the long game. We've worked with literally hundreds of sites that are PR6+ right now. All of the linking schemes in the world don't compare to the weighted value of well-written, unique content of interest to internet users. I'll stop ranting, but I do think that it is very important to remember that a quick bump in PR or a little bit of cash in your pocket is not worth effectively killing a site's long term value.

Dang, i couldn't of said it better myself!

oldenstylehats said:

As Sweetfunny said, it is true that you can make some money selling links or flipping sites because of their PR, but that is not a sustainable business model and I'd bet if you averaged your wins and losses over the long run, you'd only come up a little ahead, if at all.

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Exactly, building up a site(s) Pagerank for the purpose of selling links is not a sustainable business. You only get new inventory 3 or 4 times per year, and you don't even have a clue what your going to get. Imagine a real business waiting months on end for stock, then not even having a clue what they will get?

That's not a business, it's more like a yard sale where you clean out your shed a few times a year for some extra coin.

If you want to sell links as a "business" buy Pagerank domains and run them in to the ground and turn a quick profit. Building a site up just to sell links is counterproductive, time consuming and not real profitable compared to the multitude of other monetization options.

So many people don't get ahead because they get hung up on the great Pagerank chase, while all the important things are ignored.

Regarding Twitter, I meant that I get goot traffic through them which actually gets me natural links to my content. I have always sustained that content is King with a capital K. The scope of the high PR is a bit more vast than I have outlined above, the primary reason is we are building a content network where we sell highly targetted links from within the content but to be able to do that we need to have some page rank, that is the first question my clients have asked me. I am the first to understand that conversion is more important than ANYTHING else. I'd like to thank everybody for their input

seomanifest said:

Regarding Twitter, I meant that I get goot traffic through them which actually gets me natural links to my content. I have always sustained that content is King with a capital K. The scope of the high PR is a bit more vast than I have outlined above, the primary reason is we are building a content network where we sell highly targetted links from within the content but to be able to do that we need to have some page rank, that is the first question my clients have asked me. I am the first to understand that conversion is more important than ANYTHING else. I'd like to thank everybody for their input

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With regards to your need for PR, understandable. We haven't played too much with Twitter, but have heard good things with regards to it's ability to drive traffic. And as you said, I imagine that even on Twitter, content is king.

seomanifest said:

Regarding Twitter, I meant that I get goot traffic through them which actually gets me natural links to my content. I have always sustained that content is King with a capital K. The scope of the high PR is a bit more vast than I have outlined above, the primary reason is we are building a content network where we sell highly targetted links from within the content but to be able to do that we need to have some page rank, that is the first question my clients have asked me. I am the first to understand that conversion is more important than ANYTHING else. I'd like to thank everybody for their input

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No problems, when you said "I just found out that twitter is probably one of the hottest ways to get some very high quality links" i thought you were talking about links actually from Twitter. But yes Twitter is a good way to get the word out and make your content go viral on social networks if you have a lot of followers, which in turn can gather links from bloggers.

Instead of selling text links in content have you tried switching them out with affiliate links? I have found it far more profitable, being a rich content site you won't be seen as a "thin affiliate" site, plus you can nofollow the links to comply with Google, you can start monetizing your content as soon as you push it out rather than waiting months for a PR update, no dealing with buyers, no relying on a green bar determining what your content is worth.

A business that relies on Pagerank is too risky, what you get when it updates is like flipping a coin. I was around during Google's first ever Pagerank rollout and i still can't accurately say what my PR will be, i can guess but i certainly wouldn't base a business on guesses.

ANyone have any clue when the next expected update will be?

Sweetfunny said:

No problems, when you said "I just found out that twitter is probably one of the hottest ways to get some very high quality links" i thought you were talking about links actually from Twitter. But yes Twitter is a good way to get the word out and make your content go viral on social networks if you have a lot of followers, which in turn can gather links from bloggers.

Instead of selling text links in content have you tried switching them out with affiliate links? I have found it far more profitable, being a rich content site you won't be seen as a "thin affiliate" site, plus you can nofollow the links to comply with Google, you can start monetizing your content as soon as you push it out rather than waiting months for a PR update, no dealing with buyers, no relying on a green bar determining what your content is worth.

A business that relies on Pagerank is too risky, what you get when it updates is like flipping a coin. I was around during Google's first ever Pagerank rollout and i still can't accurately say what my PR will be, i can guess but i certainly wouldn't base a business on guesses.

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Thanks again for your reply, we are also going to be using affiliate links but that is only a small part of the bigger picture, once our product is ready I will have a select few test our product for free, but to get to that point I need to get a lot of sites (1000s) with PR.

I had a blog reach a PR5 after 3 updates. It was hosted on wordpress and it was before wordpress started to nofollow their tags.

I used to tag the shit out my posts and was sucking the PR out of wordpress's tag pages which were always PR5, 6, 7, 8s. worked great til they stopped.

I still have a PR5 though.

Maybe start searching for a blogging platform that DOES follow their tag/category pages

PR is very important in case of affiliate marketing.

I have a google toolbar and the first thing i look at of every site is their PR. If a guy is selling something and he has 0 PR, I usually look for alternative sources and buy the same item from a guy that has a much higher PR.

A lot of people do this. I guess PR shows that this guy has been around for a long time and you can trust him

the_punisher said:

A lot of people do this. I guess PR shows that this guy has been around for a long time and you can trust him

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Or he has Xrumer

I dont think PR is as important as people make it out to be. It certainly doesn't hurt, but it's not everything

the_punisher said:

PR is very important in case of affiliate marketing.

I have a google toolbar and the first thing i look at of every site is their PR. If a guy is selling something and he has 0 PR, I usually look for alternative sources and buy the same item from a guy that has a much higher PR.

A lot of people do this. I guess PR shows that this guy has been around for a long time and you can trust him

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Everyone could be linking to him saying he's a scammer, hence he happened to get PR and you buy something and get ripped off. Or as pollfactory said, a spammer, even someone who bought a PR5 for $100 to flog $10k of fake product through it.

Really my PR7 site is no more credible than a PR0 site, both have the same chance of scamming you. I'd be more inclined to purchase off someone with a reputable payment processor i know offers refunds than someone with a green bar personally. Pagerank won't refund my money for a dud purchase.

I am currently using a 3 year old domain name, never had a chance to upload anything to it. Just started throwing some content to it last month and its a PR2.