Guys: Kindle is the Ticket!
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Pinger030
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Mostly everything sells well. You just have to give the readers what they want. And in the fantasy genre they are looking more for large than for short books. And in the erotica genre the people also like short books. Coclusion: For beginners it is easier/cheaper to publish short erotica stories.
Series are selling better because if the readers are loving your first book they'll buy/borrow your 2nd, 3rd and 4th book. And you have the chance to publish a more expensive collection of all of your series parts at the end.
Pinger030
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There is no right or wrong price. It depends on the quality of your content and your niche. Look at the prices of your competitors in your niche. Compare the prices of the competitors books (with a similar length/quality) with your book and decide.
Or maybe your niche has too many competitors? Or your keywords are bad? Or your cover is too bad? And so on. It could be anything why your book doesn't sell. If you really have no sales you should try it with a lower price to make a few bucks with the borrows (better than nothing). And if you'll get no borrows I would think that your niche is too bad.
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Carepolice
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Absolutely, they sell very well when done properly. What would you like to know?
NemoTheOne
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Quality info here Pinger. Thanks
And, It seems from what I've noticed is that $2.99 for just a 50 page book might be too little. The shortest books (for that price) I've seen are around 100-200 pages. -- at LEAST 100 pages.
Although, like Pinger said...it depends on content. Especially since, if you think about it, something like a childrens book or a tour book etc can't be all THAT long.
Talyn
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Hi,
I made some statistics, in my main category (non fiction) top100:
Average book length : 206
Average price : 6.68$
The first: 273 pages 2.41$
The second: 321 pages 7.99$
The third: 63 pages 2.43$
The fourth: 352 pages 12.51$
Perhaps in that niche readers want bigger books, but will pay more?
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I made some statistics, in my main category (non fiction) top100:
Average book length : 206
Average price : 6.68$
The first: 273 pages 2.41$
The second: 321 pages 7.99$
The third: 63 pages 2.43$
The fourth: 352 pages 12.51$
Perhaps in that niche readers want bigger books, but will pay more?
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NemoTheOne
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Agreed - 321 pages would be about how many words?
Talyn
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321 pages on kindle, it's about 214 word pages... So 100,000-105,000 words.
Just published my first book on Amazon - Phew! Just waiting for approval.
I gotta say, this is definitely a lot of work and is NOT something that'ss easy. Everything from researching, building the book, formatting it, editing, creating the ebook cover, email lists, social, back matter, kdp accounts, author central accounts, stock images, tax info. It requires a lot of time and effort, so anyone thinking they are just going to slap a few thousand words onto a word doc and make a lot of money, forget about it.
I can tell it will get easier in time as I get into the groove, but I can see it's a "What you put into it is what you get out of it" effort. And I sort of like it that way. I haven't even made a sale, but publishing my first book has given me a "rewarding" feeling that I never really felt with any sort of building websites or internet marketing. Even if I don't make a penny I am very thankful that I found this thread as it kickstarted me into a feeling of motivation that I've never had before.
I will definitely share my results for comparison.
I gotta say, this is definitely a lot of work and is NOT something that'ss easy. Everything from researching, building the book, formatting it, editing, creating the ebook cover, email lists, social, back matter, kdp accounts, author central accounts, stock images, tax info. It requires a lot of time and effort, so anyone thinking they are just going to slap a few thousand words onto a word doc and make a lot of money, forget about it.
I can tell it will get easier in time as I get into the groove, but I can see it's a "What you put into it is what you get out of it" effort. And I sort of like it that way. I haven't even made a sale, but publishing my first book has given me a "rewarding" feeling that I never really felt with any sort of building websites or internet marketing. Even if I don't make a penny I am very thankful that I found this thread as it kickstarted me into a feeling of motivation that I've never had before.
I will definitely share my results for comparison.
The OP presented this whole system as being fairly time consuming, which I can understand. However, if you outsource writers, wouldn't that greatly reduce the effort associated with this system?
I am currently looking for writers on "Elance" and I am finding their rates to be incredibly, breath-takingly, high.
I am not sure where to go from here, I can write fairly well but I do find creative-writing to be extremely tolling. It wears you down. And usually requires multiple revisions.
I was wondering if anyone ever figured out a solution for hiring cheap writers?
I have only read up to page 11 in this thread but do wish to thank the OP for his work. He's ahead of his time and a true visionary for this system.
Morgadeshou
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A lot has changed since the OP wrote the original post. Kindle is a lot more saturated which has driven up the demand for writers, prices, and book quality. I would recommend writing the first one or two yourself just so you have a feel for the whole system, once you do then outsourcing using odesk is probably your best bet since they are much cheaper than elance, but definitley more expensive than the OP originally stated. If you're having trouble with writing fiction maybe check out non-fiction, it's 100X easier to write in my opinion
Honestly, I still think the hardest part about all of this is the promotion, writing/outsourcing books and getting sales isnt so bad for me but keeping them going for months is tough, I probably gotta get more creative with how I promote as pinger said.
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I think writing my own would be better. Because at that point, what am I really risking? A couple weeks of effort? I wouldn't be in it for almost any money. Odesk was over 100 for an ebook too, it's funny, one of the writers on elance has grossed over 500k, I'm wondering if I'm in the right profession, LOL! Maybe I should be the one doing the writing.
I plan on reading the rest of this thread by tonight. Thx for replying, best of luck to you and your books.
behemothseo
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Not sure if I replied ot this thread... in case I didn't: OP, thank you for addressing my concerns!
Btw, I just noted that erotica books sell like c r a z y ! Certainly an interesting niche to write about.
Btw, I just noted that erotica books sell like c r a z y ! Certainly an interesting niche to write about.
My only concern is getting flagged and having content removed for being too edgy. I was flagged/removed from odesk multiple times for asking for erotica writers.
Pinger030
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"I was wondering if anyone ever figured out a solution for hiring cheap writers?"
@cyrax
I've told my method on the last pages. I've hired about 15 - 20 writers and gave them the same niche-topic but another plot. At the end I found 3 high quality writers to work with them in the future. I told them that they can decide how many stories they want to write per month (with this method I bind them exclusively to me). The average output rate of my writers is 3 stories (15k words/book) per month and I'm paying $150 per book . So I get about 10 stories per month (investment: $1.500) = 120 stories per year (investment: $18.000).
Some books are running with only $50/month and others are running better with $200+/month. My experience is that the average earning rate of one book is $80/month.
120 books * $80/month = $9.600/month or $115.200/year
Minus the investment of $18.000 = $97.200 profit.
And again: The stories are not as cheap as the most 5k erotica stories. The better the quality the more long term success. And even if you just have the half of the success. That's $46.100/year. ...it's a passive income for the future. And if you have a stable income with decent quality books you could invest everything in high quality books (50k+ words) to publish great books for more guaranteed long term success/more stable income.
You alone are able to build up a $100k business within a year! Tell me another investment option with such less risk where you can make 200%, 300% or 400% profit out of your investment within this short time. (it's passive income so you'll get your investment 2.000%, 3.000%, 4.000% back with the time). Tell me a better investment - I know nothing otherwise I wouldn't focus on Kindle so much. And if you can invest more with the time to increase the quality of your upcoming books you can also set higher prices. So you can double your income with much less books in the second year.
You have the choice to write a few books per year to earn peanuts at the end or to invest your money and change your whole life (with less stress). And yes, even if you are able to write your own high quality stories you have to give this work away if you want to make much money because your time is limited.
Every business company is working like this. They invest money to hire/pay cheap brainless 9 to 5 worker (who have no business mindset and also not the knowledge how to be successful) to make the big money. It's your decision on which side you want to be. Success is just a mind thing! The way how to get rich is totally clear (everyone is knowing about kidle, youtube, niche websites etc. and everyone can find all instructions for free in the Internet) - but just a few people will have big success because they know that the most important thing is to develop a business mindeset/strong personaly. That's the absolut necessary foundation.
@cyrax
I've told my method on the last pages. I've hired about 15 - 20 writers and gave them the same niche-topic but another plot. At the end I found 3 high quality writers to work with them in the future. I told them that they can decide how many stories they want to write per month (with this method I bind them exclusively to me). The average output rate of my writers is 3 stories (15k words/book) per month and I'm paying $150 per book . So I get about 10 stories per month (investment: $1.500) = 120 stories per year (investment: $18.000).
Some books are running with only $50/month and others are running better with $200+/month. My experience is that the average earning rate of one book is $80/month.
120 books * $80/month = $9.600/month or $115.200/year
Minus the investment of $18.000 = $97.200 profit.
And again: The stories are not as cheap as the most 5k erotica stories. The better the quality the more long term success. And even if you just have the half of the success. That's $46.100/year. ...it's a passive income for the future. And if you have a stable income with decent quality books you could invest everything in high quality books (50k+ words) to publish great books for more guaranteed long term success/more stable income.
You alone are able to build up a $100k business within a year! Tell me another investment option with such less risk where you can make 200%, 300% or 400% profit out of your investment within this short time. (it's passive income so you'll get your investment 2.000%, 3.000%, 4.000% back with the time). Tell me a better investment - I know nothing otherwise I wouldn't focus on Kindle so much. And if you can invest more with the time to increase the quality of your upcoming books you can also set higher prices. So you can double your income with much less books in the second year.
You have the choice to write a few books per year to earn peanuts at the end or to invest your money and change your whole life (with less stress). And yes, even if you are able to write your own high quality stories you have to give this work away if you want to make much money because your time is limited.
Every business company is working like this. They invest money to hire/pay cheap brainless 9 to 5 worker (who have no business mindset and also not the knowledge how to be successful) to make the big money. It's your decision on which side you want to be. Success is just a mind thing! The way how to get rich is totally clear (everyone is knowing about kidle, youtube, niche websites etc. and everyone can find all instructions for free in the Internet) - but just a few people will have big success because they know that the most important thing is to develop a business mindeset/strong personaly. That's the absolut necessary foundation.
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