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There has been a lot of discussion lately about how to deal with all the new people that sign up and immediately start making posts. It seems to me that maybe a guide like this can be helpful for new members to read. If anyone else has additional suggestions for new members maybe this can be a good thread to post them and then just refer them to this thread when you see someone making a stupid Help Me post.

I am new, and I am guilty of trying to move to quickly and post reply s asking for help etc etc etc Then today I came across this post by GreyWolf and well it seems like the flood gate just opened and I feel like I have some direction of where to begin and more importantly how to begin establishing a long term membership and reputation here at BHW. I agree this should definitely be a sticky post, its what every Newbie should read when they join - perhaps even be locked in a section of learning and reading and paying some dues before gaining exposure to some of the valuable content here. Anyway on another note I apologize to anyone if I came across in any of my posts and reply's as overly anxious - just newbie syndrome and excitement I guess - but will continue to learn and grow here with you all....Thanks!
 
So, I need to have 100 posts to insert links? Shame. I have some nice BH downloads to share, but before I reach 100th post they may become obsolete, lol.
 
Spend a little time lurking on the forum, and learning the types of posts that other members will consider valuable.

That's very true !! If you want answer to your thread you have to make it looks valuable
Don't:
" Please tell what you think about my idea"

Do
"Brand new method for sale 5 free review for very experienced member only after 1000$"

This way you get instantly 5 reliable review of what your planing to do (nah just kiding don't do that lol)

I should have done that first haha I don't get any clear answer to my threads :( :(
 
Thank greywolf. I was starting to get very frustrated with the numerous "I wanna make money posts" or the new threads that were constantly being started asking about topics that have been covered numerous times.

Though, I have to admit, the search function on this forum blows. I always just use the site:domain.com to search g**gle. Is it possible for them to just use google for search on this forum. I think that would help lower the amount of new threads posted by noobs since maybe some of them are not aware that they can search the site via g**gle
 
[SIZE=+2]STOP RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE!!! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]DROP THAT MOUSE!!! [/SIZE]
Step away from the 'newthread' button...
Step away from the 'postreply' button...

This forum is about the most helpful place to learn about making money that I have found. Even if you don't know much to start there will be other members willing to help. But that doesn't mean you should just go right out and start asking for help. There are a few things you should understand first. I'm not a moderator here, but the following tips are mostly common sense. This is all just basic etiquette applied to the topics of this forum, understanding it should be helpful for any forum you join.

Before you start a thread "I need to make $xxx a day/week/month, what do I need to do?" just remember those posts are against the T.O.S. (you did read the T.O.S. right?). What is the point of a thread like that anyway? You don't need to ask the question, you already found it.
The BHW forum IS THE ANSWER to your question!!!

There is a difference between a newbie member and being a noob. Are you expecting that everyone should start reposting every method already posted in the forum every time some noob starts a new thread? It doesn't work that way. Please refrain from making your first post until you have gone into the existing forums over on the left of your screen and completed reading a few threads. Spend a little time lurking on the forum, and learning the types of posts that other members will consider valuable. When you do start posting, take it easy. Make just a few posts sticking to a topic you are working with. Take it slow until you have an idea of the type of impression you're making.

Unless you are an experienced marketer with something that might contribute to the forum, there is very little reason to make a new post in an existing thread, and there is even less reason to be starting a new thread during the first few days of being a member. Even if you are experienced you should still lurk around the forum a little while to get an idea of what is already here. That cutting edge method you discovered and want to share right away, might already have been discussed before.

This forum is open to people of all skill levels and experience, but it is not a training forum for basic computer skills. Don't let that intimidate you. The BHW forums should be just one of the tools you are using. If you don't want to be seen as a noob, then you should also have other resources to learn from.

If you don't know html, php, web design, etc, this forum isn't a basic tutorial. BHW is where you can learn to implement many different scripts and codes, but you should have other resources available to learn the basics. It is expected that newbie members have a basic ability to perform their own searches on a search engine. You should at least understand how to use the search box on the BHW forum itself. If you see a term or abbreviation that you don't understand, try searching for it on google first. DP, WSO, OP, Social Bookmarking, backlinks, DNS, and many more terms noobs ask about over and over, can be answered with a quick search on google. There are even a few threads on BHW that have lists of terms and definitions if you take a minute to search for them.


Now pick that mouse up off the floor and I'll tell you where to find real help if you seriously want to know "How To Make Money."
First, click on the Forum Rules and READ the TOS so you know the rules of the forum. Violating these rules will most likely get you banned from the forum. It's also a good idea to read the FAQ. so you know how to use the various features of the forum.

Next, go to the Making Money subforum and start by READING the sticky threads. They were made sticky for a reason, they have the most pertinent information to the most commonly asked questions, and best methods for newbies to try.

After you've spent some time READING the sticky threads, go back through the Making Money forum and READ some of the other threads to see what other people are doing. You will find many, many methods posted and discussed, that are working for many people. Pick one and follow the instructions in the thread. Not every method is going to work for every person. With diligence and a bit of luck you might find one that can work for you.
It's not impossible, but very unlikely you will make an amazing amount of money starting out. But if you go through the threads and read what others are doing, then follow through on some methods, it's very possible that you can start making some money starting out and then build up over time. You certainly don't need a degree to be successful, but you do have to spend time learning and gaining experience.

The "secret" to success is diligence, and experience. There isn't a "TRICK TO MAKE MONEY."

Again. until you have spent time reading and learning something about methods already offered and discussed throughout BHW, there is no reason to post a reply, and especially no reason to start a new thread.

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Don't let any of that make you scared to ask a question here, or share some information. That's what the forum is about. If noone asked questions, or discussed topics there wouldn't be much value here.

Just use some common sense. If you follow the above guide lines you won't run in to many problems with other members. Remember a specific question posted in a pertinent thread will get you better results than starting a thread for a general question. If you do need to start a thread the same thing applies, a specific question will get better results that a general "Help Me Please" question.

When you're looking through the threads and see someone getting flamed for a post or thread, take notice of the post. Flaming isn't really encouraged on this forum any more than anyplace else. There are many members that have learned that the hard way when the mods banned their account instead of the member they were flaming. But if you've been a member for less than a month or so, and haven't made many posts of your own yet, don't try to argue about whether it should be flamed or not.

The mods will make their own determination about that. With a few exceptions, most of the time when someone gets flamed over an inappropriate post it should be taken as a lesson. There is usually a good reason they are getting flamed, you should look at it as a learning opportunity for yourself, so you know how not to make a similar mistake.

The same thing applies if it happens to one of your own posts.
Sometimes in the school of hard knocks, people get knocked down.
Just learn from it so you don't make the mistake again.

OK I checked out your link. Yep ya got me on that one. LOL.
Your using the Vbulletin Default Theme. I've never checked out the other Themes very close because I prefer the black background myself. Even when the admins change us to the Holiday themes I always change it right back. Apparently only some themes include the Forum Rules in the menu.

If you scroll to the bottom right of most pages you'll find a box for selecting your prefered theme. If you prefer using any other theme then you actually need to switch back to the "Black and Gold" or the "Old BlackHat World Style" theme to find a link to the Forum Rules. Kinda weird but your right, there doesn't appear to be any way to find the link from any other themes.

I guess I owe you an apology for being a bit of a smart ass in my last reply.
So here ya go... I'm sorry. :cool: LOL


Yeah, the Forum Rules give the basic rules but it definately isn't all inclusive. In fact reading the Forum Rules is just the first step. Some of the rules are easy to interpret in ways that can actually get you an infraction. One example is the rules regarding links in signature files. Even though donors can include links, only certain types of links are actually allowed. That's why it's a good idea to do a lot of browsing and searching through the forums for more specific explanations.

Here's a thread that gives official explanation about membership levels by Essential Clix:
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/forum-suggestions-feedback/20439-jr-vip-avatars-signature-questions.html


Here's an unofficial explanation about membership levels.
BHW Membership Level requirements:

Newbie = 0-49 posts
Regular Member = 50-99 posts
Junior Member = 100+ posts
Donor Status = Paid Donation (click the Donate link on the top menu bar)
Jr. VIP = 100+ quality posts and paid subscription (click the Donate link on the top menu bar)
Executive VIP = by invitation only (given only after vote from Exec VIP's)
Moderator in Training = by admin approval (click the Staff Application link on the top menu bar)
Moderator = by admin approval
Super Moderator = by admin approval
Administrator = by site owner approval
Super Administrator = by site owner approval​
Quality posts are any posts made in the main forums excluding the Lounge, Downloads, and Forum Suggestions. Members are also expected to follow the rules and not make pointless posts just to inflate their post counts.

Premium Member vs. Jr. VIP
The main difference between Premium Membership is the post & time requirements and access to the Jr.Vip forum. Both will cost you a $97 donation, get a Donor icon under your username, give you a larger PM box, and allow you to post links in your sigfile.
  • Premium membership can be paid without having 100 posts, but there is NO automatic upgrade to Jr.Vip once you reach 100 posts. You would have to donate again to become Jr.VIP.
  • Jr. VIP membership can only be paid for after reaching 100 quality posts and being a member of BHW of 60 days. Jr.Vip recieves every advantage of Premium membership PLUS access to Jr.VIP forum.
The advantage of becoming a Premium member is if you're selling something it allows you to include links in your sigfile without waiting for 60 days and 100 posts. The thing to remember about that though is the mods don't allow just any links, (at the present time the mods interpret the rules to only allow affiliate referal links, links to your approved BST threads, or links to other BHW threads or pages).

So basically, unless you want to promote an affiliate product or link to a BST thread in your sig without waiting to qualify, you're getting more for your money if you wait till you have 100 posts and been a member for 60 days so you can join the Jr.VIP.

If you ever decide to become a Premium Member or Junior VIP just go to the "Donate" link on the top menu.

Here's a few previous threads regarding membership levels:

Those two posts i have been quoting almost save my answer. i always go back and read this. Very helpful guide to newbie like me. Great Guide.
 
[SIZE=+2]STOP RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE!!! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]DROP THAT MOUSE!!! [/SIZE]
Step away from the 'newthread' button...
Step away from the 'postreply' button...

This forum is about the most helpful place to learn about making money that I have found. Even if you don't know much to start there will be other members willing to help. But that doesn't mean you should just go right out and start asking for help. There are a few things you should understand first. I'm not a moderator here, but the following tips are mostly common sense. This is all just basic etiquette applied to the topics of this forum, understanding it should be helpful for any forum you join.

Before you start a thread "I need to make $xxx a day/week/month, what do I need to do?" just remember those posts are against the T.O.S. (you did read the T.O.S. right?). What is the point of a thread like that anyway? You don't need to ask the question, you already found it.
The BHW forum IS THE ANSWER to your question!!!

There is a difference between a newbie member and being a noob. Are you expecting that everyone should start reposting every method already posted in the forum every time some noob starts a new thread? It doesn't work that way. Please refrain from making your first post until you have gone into the existing forums over on the left of your screen and completed reading a few threads. Spend a little time lurking on the forum, and learning the types of posts that other members will consider valuable. When you do start posting, take it easy. Make just a few posts sticking to a topic you are working with. Take it slow until you have an idea of the type of impression you're making.

Unless you are an experienced marketer with something that might contribute to the forum, there is very little reason to make a new post in an existing thread, and there is even less reason to be starting a new thread during the first few days of being a member. Even if you are experienced you should still lurk around the forum a little while to get an idea of what is already here. That cutting edge method you discovered and want to share right away, might already have been discussed before.

This forum is open to people of all skill levels and experience, but it is not a training forum for basic computer skills. Don't let that intimidate you. The BHW forums should be just one of the tools you are using. If you don't want to be seen as a noob, then you should also have other resources to learn from.

If you don't know html, php, web design, etc, this forum isn't a basic tutorial. BHW is where you can learn to implement many different scripts and codes, but you should have other resources available to learn the basics. It is expected that newbie members have a basic ability to perform their own searches on a search engine. You should at least understand how to use the search box on the BHW forum itself. If you see a term or abbreviation that you don't understand, try searching for it on google first. DP, WSO, OP, Social Bookmarking, backlinks, DNS, and many more terms noobs ask about over and over, can be answered with a quick search on google. There are even a few threads on BHW that have lists of terms and definitions if you take a minute to search for them.


Now pick that mouse up off the floor and I'll tell you where to find real help if you seriously want to know "How To Make Money."
First, click on the Forum Rules and READ the TOS so you know the rules of the forum. Violating these rules will most likely get you banned from the forum. It's also a good idea to read the FAQ. so you know how to use the various features of the forum.

Next, go to the Making Money subforum and start by READING the sticky threads. They were made sticky for a reason, they have the most pertinent information to the most commonly asked questions, and best methods for newbies to try.

After you've spent some time READING the sticky threads, go back through the Making Money forum and READ some of the other threads to see what other people are doing. You will find many, many methods posted and discussed, that are working for many people. Pick one and follow the instructions in the thread. Not every method is going to work for every person. With diligence and a bit of luck you might find one that can work for you.
It's not impossible, but very unlikely you will make an amazing amount of money starting out. But if you go through the threads and read what others are doing, then follow through on some methods, it's very possible that you can start making some money starting out and then build up over time. You certainly don't need a degree to be successful, but you do have to spend time learning and gaining experience.

The "secret" to success is diligence, and experience. There isn't a "TRICK TO MAKE MONEY."

Again. until you have spent time reading and learning something about methods already offered and discussed throughout BHW, there is no reason to post a reply, and especially no reason to start a new thread.

**************************

Don't let any of that make you scared to ask a question here, or share some information. That's what the forum is about. If noone asked questions, or discussed topics there wouldn't be much value here.

Just use some common sense. If you follow the above guide lines you won't run in to many problems with other members. Remember a specific question posted in a pertinent thread will get you better results than starting a thread for a general question. If you do need to start a thread the same thing applies, a specific question will get better results that a general "Help Me Please" question.

When you're looking through the threads and see someone getting flamed for a post or thread, take notice of the post. Flaming isn't really encouraged on this forum any more than anyplace else. There are many members that have learned that the hard way when the mods banned their account instead of the member they were flaming. But if you've been a member for less than a month or so, and haven't made many posts of your own yet, don't try to argue about whether it should be flamed or not.

The mods will make their own determination about that. With a few exceptions, most of the time when someone gets flamed over an inappropriate post it should be taken as a lesson. There is usually a good reason they are getting flamed, you should look at it as a learning opportunity for yourself, so you know how not to make a similar mistake.

The same thing applies if it happens to one of your own posts.
Sometimes in the school of hard knocks, people get knocked down.
Just learn from it so you don't make the mistake again.

great. thank you
 
Look guys, I understand that us newblets are annoying. But could we possibly have a bit less attitude from some people. I would be pissed too if I saw all sorts of "Dood, how do I make the $$$" posts but I have been reading a lot of the forum over this weekend and a lot of times I see simple legit questions being answered with utter rudeness.

You say to use the search feature. I have. Now please answer this. When I search for "X tactic" or "Y tool" how should such a brainless newb as myself tell the difference between threads that are really relevant or threads that are not. Pretty much anything I search comes up with pages and pages of results. I especially like when I get to the final posts of a thread that read "This doesn't work anymore." Well thank you for wasting my time. (Granted it is still a learning experience.)

My suggestion to this site is that if our newb questions annoy you so much then take a little time to organize the forums. It took me quite some time to even find this thread. Why would you put a newbie guide in "Suggestions and Feedback". As a newbie I can tell you I avoided this area because what possible input could I have on a forum I have just joined?

I apologize if I'm coming off in the wrong sort of way but it's just a bit frustrating to have such an awesome resource at my disposal and be able to do nothing with it because I'm not allowed to ask questions until I've read thousands of pages filled with "This doesn't work" "Yes it does, you're just not doing it right." etc etc etc

I think you could reduce the annoying newb questions quite easily with a newb section or something. All you would have to do is tag posts with something like "Newbie Friendly" or "Newbies Must Read".

Anyway... feel free to bash on my opinion now.
 
Honestly I wish I would have read this when I first started off,
I feel ridiculous, I think I made a fool out of myself asking for Methods, and being "spoon fed"
I have been a member since May, but I want to encourage all new members to Keep reading, and searching, this will weed out the passer byers,

When I first started reading threads, I felt VERY overwhelmed, but it is up until recently that all of this started making more sense, I am able to find the things I need

All the tools for Success are Here!!
It is up to the individual to be diligent
 
as a newbie i can say that this thread should be a sticky and that more information on post restrictions and such should be displayed on the welcome page
 
Look guys, I understand that us newblets are annoying. But could we possibly have a bit less attitude from some people. I would be pissed too if I saw all sorts of "Dood, how do I make the $$$" posts but I have been reading a lot of the forum over this weekend and a lot of times I see simple legit questions being answered with utter rudeness.

You say to use the search feature. I have. Now please answer this. When I search for "X tactic" or "Y tool" how should such a brainless newb as myself tell the difference between threads that are really relevant or threads that are not. Pretty much anything I search comes up with pages and pages of results. I especially like when I get to the final posts of a thread that read "This doesn't work anymore." Well thank you for wasting my time. (Granted it is still a learning experience.)

My suggestion to this site is that if our newb questions annoy you so much then take a little time to organize the forums. It took me quite some time to even find this thread. Why would you put a newbie guide in "Suggestions and Feedback". As a newbie I can tell you I avoided this area because what possible input could I have on a forum I have just joined?

I apologize if I'm coming off in the wrong sort of way but it's just a bit frustrating to have such an awesome resource at my disposal and be able to do nothing with it because I'm not allowed to ask questions until I've read thousands of pages filled with "This doesn't work" "Yes it does, you're just not doing it right." etc etc etc

I think you could reduce the annoying newb questions quite easily with a newb section or something. All you would have to do is tag posts with something like "Newbie Friendly" or "Newbies Must Read".

Anyway... feel free to bash on my opinion now.
Hey Phoenix7813, I know it's been a few months since you posted this, but I thought I'd still go ahead and post an answer for you.

The point of this thread wasn't meant to apply to all new members. In fact most new members are smart enough to understand most of what was written in the original post without having to be told. People like you that search the forums and find this thread on your own, overall don't really even need to read it. It's still worth reading because you'll still find a bit of useful information (especially if you read through the whole thread because some other helpful tips have been added over time), but the thread wasn't actually targeted to you.

It was actually written to address those "Dood, how do I make the $$$" posts you mentioned. When the original post was written there was a massive influx of new members and the forum was a bit understaffed so there was a lot more of those "how do I make $xxx in the next 2 weeks" and other noob type posts.

Myself and a lot of other members were replying in those threads trying to educate those few new members that kept making those kind of noob posts before even browsing through the forums. Rather than continually re-writing the same thing over and over, I created this thread so that whenever there was a "noob" type post we could just tell them to take some time learning more about the forum before making anymore posts and give them a link to the forum rules and this thread.

After a while there were a number of new mods added and it became less of an issue, but when it's needed the thread is useful for it's intended purpose. It was made a sticky thread both so that new members who are smart enough to search out useful information on their own (like yourself) can find it sometime, but possibly even more importantly so that when anyone comes across any "noob" type threads (especially general "how can I make money" threads) it can be found quickly for anyone wanting to post the link in a reply to that "noob" type thread.

As far as the rude replies to new members in general... Well different people have different tolerance levels to seeing the same very basic questions being asked over and over again. My advice is that if you see a question (or even if you were the one who asked it) that seem to get rude answers, just take it as a learning experience. It won't help your reputation on the forum to get in an argument about it, and if the main reply is to "use the search" or something similar, then you should just figure that's a very common question that's been answered many times and you can probably find the answer to on your own. If you still can't figure out an answer then ask again, try to be a bit more specific if it seems that might help, and be sure to explain that you've already tried searching for an answer with no luck. You might still get a lmgtfy.com link, but that just gives you an answer to your question as well as teaching you something about how to form a good search query.

So for you and any other new members finding this thread on there own, please don't take offense. The thread most likely wasn't intended for you, but still take some time and read it. The advice is good for participating on any forum, and if you read though the whole thread you'll find a lot of useful tips on how to use various features of the forum.
 
I'm getting really angry by now, my first post on the introduction area was really hard to pass this crazy filter and now i'm trying to make another one to "register" my journey thru all of this and i can't pass the filter...
 
My only suggestion: try to never, ever use those blue fonts on our black background because it is so difficult to read. That particular blue is also the color used for JR VIP. I can't read it unless I highlight it and turn it into white letters. All other colors are OK. Thanks
 
thanks for the useful information, I've been looking for this for a while.
 
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