Google - Encourage to use Black Hat Tricks

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

What you think about "SEO" in 2015 !

Right now content is king is big time fail

I have seen many sites with good content but not ranking at all ???

& I have also noticed these days old sites are ranking better in google with shit 100-200 word content on it compare to new sites with very good content ????

Google is making white-haters in to Black-haters in year 2015. I can rank a site in 1 month with hell of links/SPam but i can't rank a site in 1-2 month with quality rank ?? Now how can a publisher wait for natural link for months ?? & social media signal blah blah etc..

Its not easy to get natural link these days. There is hell competition ion very niche. if anyone gets few natural link then shit updates etc effects or new spam blog will comes...

I am not asking about idea how to rank a website.. I just want to share my views.. Google is making us to use Black-hat tricks again and again.

OLD site with shit content are ranking.. What a fail update google :cow04: (This is what i have seen in my niche from past 2-3 months )

ambushiv11 · Mar 12, 2015

I know the feeling piter. Some of my websites which had only 200 words article/post got penalized because I bought some 50$ seo package and now someone is on my place with a website that actually has no content at all ( I am talking about place 3 ), he only has 1 image+1 video and 1 download button (I am in CPA industry), how can he rank without any text?

M4XW3LL · Mar 12, 2015

SEO is dead .

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

100% agree with you. I am in Tech/News niche.. People are ranking with 3-4 lines content and duplicate content as well

This is really shame.. Google panda is fail in my eyes. I have seen sites having awesome content on page 5-6 in search engines and shit copied content site are ranking on top :O

ambushiv11 said:
I know the feeling piter. Some of my websites which had only 200 words article/post got penalized because I bought some 50$ seo package and now someone is on my place with a website that actually has no content at all ( I am talking about place 3 ), he only has 1 image+1 video and 1 download button (I am in CPA industry), how can he rank without any text?

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

Mate, SEO is not completely dead, I think its now business..Google started to ignore SEO shit these days & old shit sites are ranking with bad content.

Its a 100% loss to google search only big Brand sites are ranking and dominating. A big Brand sites can do hell seo there is no issue at all but a new blog do seo then its unnatural spam and then deranked.

M4XW3LL said:
SEO is dead .

randomsk1tzo · Mar 12, 2015

I think he was kidding about the "SEO is dead"

WebLab · Mar 12, 2015

If your contents are good, bring some traffic through social networking sites or through ads.
Some questions, if you think your contents are great :
- Is your post/article related to your website niche?
- have you done interlinking ?
- Use of keyword in title ?
- At least H1 tag. (I use different Title and H1 tag)
- Any image included ?
- Post easily readable ?
- Keyword density ?
- use of synonym or related words in content ?

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

@Weblab

There is no guarantee I will get good ranking even if i use ads and social media traffic these days. Google algo is failed now. These days old is gold even that old gold is shit/bad written and Few Chrun N burn are ranking (With $$$ investment)...

I know about all on-page factors. I use also.. How about old sites not using any on-page factors still ranking ??? Why ??

I think now google is too slow for new publishers. I don't know why but this is true.. Make a new blog and put awesome content and see magic.. you will not rank 100%

because spammer are doing link building they will rank for few days after that old spam sites will rank

NO space for new quality sites.

Wait for 3-4 months with quality content is shame. One side google says do not make links

Spam is the only options for white-haters..

lord1027 · Mar 12, 2015

Let's be real, how often do you search of something you actually need on Google? Do the results offer the answer to your questions?

I mean seriously, nobody would use google if results were bad. That's why much less people use Bing, stop with this crap. Just because you found few niches where crap outranks quality content that doesn't mean the algo is dead.

As a side note, porn related searches seems to be very accurate too

WebLab · Mar 12, 2015

I said about getting traffic because traffic is also an SEO factor. I have got better SERP when article is tightly related to niche and have some interlinking.
About backlinking, Google wanted natural (whitehat) backlinks (means others pointing to website if they find it helpful or interesting). People started fooling Google by creating backlinks themselves (blackhat technique). So backlinks are necessary and thats why websites with backlinks rank well.

THUNDERELVI · Mar 12, 2015

Just get powerful niche relevant links (a.k.a guest posts and PBN-s) and you will be fine.
Stop this "seo is dead, seo is this/that" shit!

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

So spam is the only hope for new websites ? I know PBN will help but what about quality content without PBN links ? It will not rank without spam ?

THUNDERELVI said:
Just get powerful niche relevant links (a.k.a guest posts and PBN-s) and you will be fine.
Stop this "seo is dead, seo is this/that" shit!

GodsOwnWriter · Mar 12, 2015

SEO works! You should know how to do it. I do feel that On-page does not make a massive difference, its more about the freakin links man !

RedMango · Mar 12, 2015

GodsOwnWriter said:
SEO works! You should know how to do it. I do feel that On-page does not make a massive difference, its more about the freakin links man !

Twice today you've said something completely wrong. This is why I don't bother with BHW any more as there are some weird people on here.

lagger · Mar 12, 2015

OMG change your user pic, I think I just had an epileptic seizure.

Kralj187 · Mar 12, 2015

First off, I hate your avatar - hurts my eyes lol

Second, I don't see why you mention 2015 specifically? 2013,2014,2015 it's all the same because neither before did whitehat ever work for the big guns...

piter2008 · Mar 12, 2015

Yes. in year 2012,13,14 are good compared to 2015. In 2014 you can rank with great content without even many natural links but these days quality content is nothing if you don't give PBN links.

conrulez · Mar 12, 2015

You're on a "blackhat" forum and expressing your opinion about how google is "making" you use black hat techniques again and again? All I can say is "WTF"???

How many times do you guys need to be told the SAME THING before you START to listen?

Content is for visitors. If you're looking to keep people coming back to keep reading your incredible writing (or to get them on a list), then use great content. Otherwise it truly doesn't mean shit. If all you're trying to do is to get someone to click on something, you can accomplish the same thing with the shittiest of content.

Why?

Because LINKS, yes I said LINKS, and for everyone who has trouble reading, L-I-N-K-S mean EVERYTHING in SEO. Period. End of Story.

I've met a few people on here who truly understand this next part, and I really don't quite get it all mathematically (above my skill level) but I get it "enough" to be able to tell you:

NO WAY google has enough processing power (or time) to tell if something is "good" content or "bad" or "spun" etc. Not even close. I mean VERY far away from it. Yeah, grammar check software, blah blah blah, but if you dig a little deeper you soon discover that it would take A LOT MORE processing power than they currently have or will have anytime in the foreseeable future. It is ECONOMICALLY a BAD business decision for them to even attempt it. Which is exactly why they haven't. They use fear and other techniques, but they DO NOT process every page of content to check it. They can't. Period.

STOP believing the bullshit that Content is King. It IS from the purpose of developing an audience that you want to engage and KEEP, but other than that, NO! It's not even close to prince much less king or queen. The MOST important part is what you do to get someone to take action which will lead YOU to make money off of them. That could be one click. Or it could be one of 10+ steps they need to take.

KNOWING what you are trying to get them to do and DOING IT to get the highest CTR you can get is where the TRUE skill is. You can rank almost ANY type of content with enough quality links. Yes it's slightly true that the amount of content and for sure, it's structure can make a difference in how many links you need to actually rank well, but it is NOWHERE near the most important factor. OF COURSE if you're trying to play in large popular niches, competitors will manually report you for shitty content. But there's an UNLIMITED number of niches where you will have NO problems ranking with junk.

STOP believing the lies.

Or don't. Your choice.

LINKS are the key to ranking organically and getting traffic. Period.

After that it's really more about your marketing skills. And believe me when I tell you, it's a HELL OF A LOT EASIER to rank something with links, than it is to put together a kick ass marketing campaign. Once you're ranking #1 for your keywords, the next step is obviously get OTHER pages/sites ranking #2 etc...but that's as high as you can go. With marketing you can ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS get better. NOBODY closes 100% of their visitors.

Put your efforts in right place to get the right results.

Good luck.

Luka19 · Mar 12, 2015

conrulez said:
you're on a "blackhat" forum and expressing your opinion about how google is "making" you use black hat techniques again and again? All i can say is "wtf"???

How many times do you guys need to be told the same thing before you start to listen?

Content is for visitors. If you're looking to keep people coming back to keep reading your incredible writing (or to get them on a list), then use great content. Otherwise it truly doesn't mean shit. If all you're trying to do is to get someone to click on something, you can accomplish the same thing with the shittiest of content.

Why?

Because links, yes i said links, and for everyone who has trouble reading, l-i-n-k-s mean everything in seo. Period. End of story.

I've met a few people on here who truly understand this next part, and i really don't quite get it all mathematically (above my skill level) but i get it "enough" to be able to tell you:

No way google has enough processing power (or time) to tell if something is "good" content or "bad" or "spun" etc. Not even close. I mean very far away from it. Yeah, grammar check software, blah blah blah, but if you dig a little deeper you soon discover that it would take a lot more processing power than they currently have or will have anytime in the foreseeable future. It is economically a bad business decision for them to even attempt it. Which is exactly why they haven't. They use fear and other techniques, but they do not process every page of content to check it. They can't. Period.

Stop believing the bullshit that content is king. It is from the purpose of developing an audience that you want to engage and keep, but other than that, no! It's not even close to prince much less king or queen. The most important part is what you do to get someone to take action which will lead you to make money off of them. That could be one click. Or it could be one of 10+ steps they need to take.

Knowing what you are trying to get them to do and doing it to get the highest ctr you can get is where the true skill is. You can rank almost any type of content with enough quality links. Yes it's slightly true that the amount of content and for sure, it's structure can make a difference in how many links you need to actually rank well, but it is nowhere near the most important factor. Of course if you're trying to play in large popular niches, competitors will manually report you for shitty content. But there's an unlimited number of niches where you will have no problems ranking with junk.

Stop believing the lies.

Or don't. Your choice.

Links are the key to ranking organically and getting traffic. Period.

After that it's really more about your marketing skills. And believe me when i tell you, it's a hell of a lot easier to rank something with links, than it is to put together a kick ass marketing campaign. Once you're ranking #1 for your keywords, the next step is obviously get other pages/sites ranking #2 etc...but that's as high as you can go. With marketing you can always always always get better. Nobody closes 100% of their visitors.

Put your efforts in right place to get the right results.

Good luck.

this is master class

Aty · Mar 13, 2015

We all know Google algo is not perfect. You have to adapt and evolve. If you can rank with spam, then do that. Either way take action, test different ways of ranking, and pick the most efficient one.

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