Get richer honestly?
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WPRipper
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No s**t!Proudly making 300$/Day with 3hrs of work.
OP, there is no honesty in getting rich process. I mean i can't see how you can.
jazzc
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You can't see != there isn't. Getting rich via providing thing people want is the most moral thing to do.
haorancanada
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IM field is really a not so honest field, nowadays even white hat has something black hat in them to make it better, but really, blackhat does generate a decent amount of money, knowing that you are not being honest, but if you want to be in the big league, im talking about billion dollar business, which i assume the chance is small for everyone, then you might as well be like warren buffett, at least pretend to be honest.. Remember, nobody in this world is honest when it comes to money.
KHer0
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I totally agree with Jazzc. Actually I think most of the internet is moral !
Doing adsense websites and making money by providing people with information they need. How to stop smoking, how to get fit........etc !
Building affiliate sites and selling best products for people who need those products to solve their current problem.
^^^ Those 2 are the most well-known ways to make money in IM and they can definitly make you rich
Doing adsense websites and making money by providing people with information they need. How to stop smoking, how to get fit........etc !
Building affiliate sites and selling best products for people who need those products to solve their current problem.
^^^ Those 2 are the most well-known ways to make money in IM and they can definitly make you rich
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If you had some you probably would think differently.
I know people that are honest when it comes to money.
Jouster
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I think if you're making money you're serving a purpose, whether it's morally correct or not is in the eye of the beholder, imo, as long as it's not illegal go for it, even if you think the adult niche isn't morally correct, it's still a form of entertainment for a lot of people and if that helps them relieve stress and become comfortable then you're serving a purpose....
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Sorry buddy I think you picked the wrong forum to express such morality issues... on the other hand there are lots of people that are designers, coders, writers etc... that make some serious coin.... So yeah you can become rich in an honest way even on this forum...
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madoctopus
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Morality and immorality have nothing to do with money. The reason people think that is because people are not very smart and they tend to end up using fallacies as the foundation of their thinking. This is such a fallacy.
The fact you're trying to make money does not make yo moral or immoral just like the fact you're trying to plant a tree doesn't make you moral or immoral - you can plant it in such a way you bother nobody or you can start a fight over land with a neighbour because you feel you must plant that tree in his back yard.
You already are a moral or immoral person long before you take an action like making money. It is how you are fundamentally that determines your choices, hence your actions and it is that what makes you moral or not. There's a saying (from Napoleon I think) that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". A guy who's thinking I like and respect a lot (Stefan Molyneux) once said "it is not power that corrupts. it is corrupted (immoral) people that seek power.". I tend to agree with him more than with Napoleon.
Personal and social background has a lot to do with morality. It is very easy to be moral if you live in a castle, you have maids and butlers and you're not sure what to do for fun today. If you're living in some 3rd world country where some people hunt you down for racial reasons, others want to catch you and enslave you and between those two things you're not even sure if today you will find clean water to drink, then morality is of a different kind for you. In other words morality depends on context. It might be immoral for a billionaire to beat somebody and steal his bottle of water but it wouldn't be immoral for the guy in the 3rd world country who's just trying to survive.
There are also people who will go through a lot without hurting others and there are some people who will hurt others very easy, especially if they fear loosing something. Others even hurt out of pleasure.
In IM as in any other field, the morality or immorality does not come from the field itself but from the people. So if somebody is immoral in IM he would be so in any other field. Also many of those who are immoral will generally seek an immoral method because that is their way of thinking. Others will take immoral actions just out of opportunity even though they don't normally have that type of thinking.
Now, there is a rather gray area which is hard to say is moral or immoral. Is the area where you have more knowledge and you're tricking a user. For example you use marketing not to promote something great but to wrap some crap and make it look like a cookie. Or you make certain statements which are borderline lies. And so on...
Might not be moral to make use of the lack of intelligence or knowledge of others but in all honesty so many people are complete morons. Well not really, is just how the brain works when it comes to buying and decisions. BUT - and this is a big ass BUT - the vast majority of people don't want the truth. They want nice lies. If I have a site and I tell visitors that weight loss pills are crap and have side effects and is just dumb to take pills when you could just eat less and exercise daily, visitors will just close the window and go and google "weight loss pills" and pick another site to read. And that site will emphasize on benefits, which may or may not be accurate, honest, complete/thorough, but they're the nice lie the user wants to hear. He doesnt want to move his fat ass off the couch and go run, he wants to have the same bad habits and at the same time loose weight and a pill is just magically going to do that. Same shit with IM services, software, BST, etc.
If people wouldn't be interested, then something wouldn't be on the market because there would be no demand. So is it the provider's fault or the consumer's fault? Maybe both are to blame. The consumer is weak and dumb and the provider capitalizes on that and makes money. Maybe the provider even invents a problem out of thin air (look at pharma ads on TV) or bends the facts. This is the capitalism. You can't just invent the best toilet cleaning solution and have everybody use that. You invent 100 different solutions that most of them are 99% identical and you brand them differently and sell them at different prices, etc. You give people fake choices so they think they have a choice when in fact they have no choice. Worked and works wonders still.
In the end, the answer to your question OP, is "yes, you can make honest money in IM or any area. You do that by charging money while providing REAL value.". Google does that. Is Google 100% moral? Maybe not. Same with every single business or service. But you simply can't have it any other way because we don't live in a world with perfect people. Some people are dumb and some are evil and that fucks everything up. And is not like the dumb and evil people are always the same, because at times even you and I are dumb and evil - whether we want it, know it or like it.
The fact you're trying to make money does not make yo moral or immoral just like the fact you're trying to plant a tree doesn't make you moral or immoral - you can plant it in such a way you bother nobody or you can start a fight over land with a neighbour because you feel you must plant that tree in his back yard.
You already are a moral or immoral person long before you take an action like making money. It is how you are fundamentally that determines your choices, hence your actions and it is that what makes you moral or not. There's a saying (from Napoleon I think) that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". A guy who's thinking I like and respect a lot (Stefan Molyneux) once said "it is not power that corrupts. it is corrupted (immoral) people that seek power.". I tend to agree with him more than with Napoleon.
Personal and social background has a lot to do with morality. It is very easy to be moral if you live in a castle, you have maids and butlers and you're not sure what to do for fun today. If you're living in some 3rd world country where some people hunt you down for racial reasons, others want to catch you and enslave you and between those two things you're not even sure if today you will find clean water to drink, then morality is of a different kind for you. In other words morality depends on context. It might be immoral for a billionaire to beat somebody and steal his bottle of water but it wouldn't be immoral for the guy in the 3rd world country who's just trying to survive.
There are also people who will go through a lot without hurting others and there are some people who will hurt others very easy, especially if they fear loosing something. Others even hurt out of pleasure.
In IM as in any other field, the morality or immorality does not come from the field itself but from the people. So if somebody is immoral in IM he would be so in any other field. Also many of those who are immoral will generally seek an immoral method because that is their way of thinking. Others will take immoral actions just out of opportunity even though they don't normally have that type of thinking.
Now, there is a rather gray area which is hard to say is moral or immoral. Is the area where you have more knowledge and you're tricking a user. For example you use marketing not to promote something great but to wrap some crap and make it look like a cookie. Or you make certain statements which are borderline lies. And so on...
Might not be moral to make use of the lack of intelligence or knowledge of others but in all honesty so many people are complete morons. Well not really, is just how the brain works when it comes to buying and decisions. BUT - and this is a big ass BUT - the vast majority of people don't want the truth. They want nice lies. If I have a site and I tell visitors that weight loss pills are crap and have side effects and is just dumb to take pills when you could just eat less and exercise daily, visitors will just close the window and go and google "weight loss pills" and pick another site to read. And that site will emphasize on benefits, which may or may not be accurate, honest, complete/thorough, but they're the nice lie the user wants to hear. He doesnt want to move his fat ass off the couch and go run, he wants to have the same bad habits and at the same time loose weight and a pill is just magically going to do that. Same shit with IM services, software, BST, etc.
If people wouldn't be interested, then something wouldn't be on the market because there would be no demand. So is it the provider's fault or the consumer's fault? Maybe both are to blame. The consumer is weak and dumb and the provider capitalizes on that and makes money. Maybe the provider even invents a problem out of thin air (look at pharma ads on TV) or bends the facts. This is the capitalism. You can't just invent the best toilet cleaning solution and have everybody use that. You invent 100 different solutions that most of them are 99% identical and you brand them differently and sell them at different prices, etc. You give people fake choices so they think they have a choice when in fact they have no choice. Worked and works wonders still.
In the end, the answer to your question OP, is "yes, you can make honest money in IM or any area. You do that by charging money while providing REAL value.". Google does that. Is Google 100% moral? Maybe not. Same with every single business or service. But you simply can't have it any other way because we don't live in a world with perfect people. Some people are dumb and some are evil and that fucks everything up. And is not like the dumb and evil people are always the same, because at times even you and I are dumb and evil - whether we want it, know it or like it.
BreaknBrix
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If you had asked "are they the best fries".... now that would be a different story.
I once watched a YT tutorial on "How To Make McDonalds French Fries". It's the real method they use to make their fries. And I tried to copy it to a t. It is the most complicated way you can possibly cook fries.
Seriously. There's like 15 different steps. But if you execute each step properly you'll get perfect fries.
jazzc
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While there 's a significant amount of people incapable of understanding things (half the population is below the average IQ after all
), there is also a very significant amount of people who can understand but simply lack the information and guidance to.Why? How about asking for some water instead?
Suppose a drug addict injures you on the street to rob you to get his dose. He needs it, his body and mind tell him so. Is his action justified by his need to survive?
Suppose a guy is in a car chased by gangsters who want to kill him. He takes a fast turn and on the middle of the road is an old lady. If he stops, he 'll probably end up dead. He runs over the old lady to escape. Is his action justified by his need to survive?
Obviously the examples can get more elaborate, but I think you get my point
That 's a limiting belief you have and it is wrong (unless you coerce someone to act). Why do you presume you should get to decide what other people 's decisions should be? Why do you think someone hasn't got the right to treat himself with lies (I 'll lose 200 pounds by taking a pill 3 times a day for 2 weeks) instead of taking action (sweat)? And if he wants to, why would it be moral to deny him what he chooses to buy?
There is no fault. People desire whatever they want to desire and others provide.
Doesn't this contradict everything you said above? If G is serving third-party Ads, does it vet each and every one to see if their provide what each every individual person "really" (i.e. according to someone else 's design) need?
madoctopus
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While there 's a significant amount of people incapable of understanding things (half the population is below the average IQ after all
Yes. And some can understand it but don't want to because they want to have an excuse. And so on. My point was "some people" believe certain things because of fallacious logic.
Why? How about asking for some water instead?
Suppose a drug addict injures you on the street to rob you to get his dose. He needs it, his body and mind tell him so. Is his action justified by his need to survive?
Suppose a guy is in a car chased by gangsters who want to kill him. He takes a fast turn and on the middle of the road is an old lady. If he stops, he 'll probably end up dead. He runs over the old lady to escape. Is his action justified by his need to survive?
Obviously the examples can get more elaborate, but I think you get my point
Yes. I agree with you. My point was to emphasize the relativity of morality/immorality and the fact choices are not always based on them but on more stringent forces within us - like survival, addiction, etc.
This is one thing I absolutely don't agree with. First off, I want to make it clear that I don't think I or anybody should decide on behalf of somebody else. However, when you are being fed tampered evidence, lies, half-truths, emphasis on certain benefits and leaving out negatives, etc. then a person's decision is not made using accurate information and logic. Hence his decision making process is rigged.
If I'm selling you an X and I tell you it will take care of 5 problems you have and emphasize on how cool that is going to be and all that you might very likely want it. If I also tell you there's a 30% chance to get cancer from it, have your testicles fall off and grow hair in your palms you might take a different decision.
Is not about choices you have is about me feeding you certain information and leaving other out, knowing the complete information, understanding the effects and seeing in perspective (as opposed to you). In other words, manipulating you into having a behavior that benefits me while potentially hurting you. If I don't shoot you in the head but I tell you to walk on a certain path knowing there are gangsters there who will likely kill you, and I do this knowingly, then it is the same fucking thing. On top of that there's the authority effect that amplifies everything.
Kids are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and similar syndromes, are being made to think (and their parents too) that there's something wrong with them, when in fact there's something wrong with the system (see Stefan's video on mental diseases and drugs). But the system will not agree to such a claim or allow doubt to be cast on it, hence it twists everything into "the kid is sick". The entire chain in the system is being fed bullshit - from pharma, doctors, educators all the way to the parents and the kid itself. Every component (doctors, edu, etc) in the chain assumes this aberration as a fact - actually as the ONLY fact/possible way - and then not only uses it in its own logic but propagates it, wrongly educating other components of the chain - downstream or sideways.
You have a young child. You can tell him if he jumps off a cliff he's going to have an amazing time, he's going to feel the wind in his face, get an adrenalin rush, feel awesome, etc. It's all true! Do you do that? No. Because you know the full story - he's going to die at the end. As a matter of fact, I'd say a good measure of morality is to ask yourself "would I do this to my child?".
I can go on this aspect alone for an entire day and maybe tens of pages.
While I agree with your 2nd sentence above - no evil in the demand-offer system by default - I do not agree with an absolute generalization of it. When somebody knowingly tampers and sculpts information to achieve a certain benefit while hurting somebody else, that is not ok IMO. There's nothing wrong with the system itself. The problem is with people who are willing to twist it and game it and hurt others for a benefit. And what is truly sad for me is the fact they do this despite the fact the win-win system works. In fact it works far better. What it doesn't work for however is tickling one's ego and allowing him to gain control and have an effect on somebody else.
I said "You do that by charging money while providing REAL value.". You pulled it out of the context a bit, but I do get your more subtle point and I will address it:
If I have a groceries store, and I sell groceries to you, and next day you die because they were poisoned, it is not me who is the criminal (considering I didn't knew they're poisoned) but whoever poisoned the groceries. Google veting ads would mean Google has to be the police of ads. I don't mean that or think there's a benefit in that. What I'm saying is when you KNOWINGLY manipulate somebody against his interest or well being.
I can dislike and be disappointed by people and society for being dumb enough to not see the shit they're being fed and they end up propagating but I can not accuse them or even be upset on them because they are victims as well.
Hope I managed to make myself clear. Any more questions, fire away! You know I luv arguing with you
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hmm its not possible easily.
BreaknBrix
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These questions remind me of questions my philosophy teacher use to ask us back in college. In fact, the first day of class he asked us a question that I will not forget for the rest of my life. Because when I saw how the class reacted.... I literally felt like I was just morally raped.
The question was:
"If a man put a small black box in your hand .... and that box had a red button.... and he told you by pressing that button someone on the other side of the world would die... someone you'd never know or meet...... and you would never be charged with a crime...... but you'd be given $1,000,000 for pressing that red button... how many of you would refuse to press it?"
And before anyone could answer he added 1 more thing, "if you don't press the button.... the box is just gonna be given to another person".
Immediately, I felt the urge to throw my hand up. But I thought about it a bit more, and I looked around, and NOT 1 PERSON in that room raised their hand.
That was one of the more enlightening experiences of my college education.
In fact, the reaction of the class that day has forever influenced the way I view business, people and life in general.
I look back now and understand, what my professor was really doing was planting the seeds of capitalism in my brain.
Because a few years later I saw the movie "The Corporation". And they give you a horrible, but realistic glimpse of the atrocities that are caused by capitalism. Where factory workers are charged to work.... twice as much as they actually get paid. So they are indebted to their employers forever, starving for food, completely broke, with 0 means for upward mobiization... 0 means to do anything other than work 14 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year.
Then they take these products that cost $0.14 to make... and sell them on the shelves in America for $40. They boast wild profits while factory workers are busy jumping out of windows, just to be caught by nets so they can be put back to work lol.
If you ask me, that's 1000xs worse than pointing a gun at someones head and taking their wallet.
But the good news is. Once you actually learn and understand capitalism (I'm only focusing on the negatives right now). You can prevent yourself from becoming one of those people. Not just factory workers in 3rd world countries. But the corporate slaves working right in America.
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jazzc
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It 's from a book in the 70s that turned into a tv episode that turned into a movie
See how powerful force a society is? Now imagine if that was an anonymous question.
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You 're too susceptible to propaganda. Capitalism is the ability to store and wealth and trade. For this simple thing to be allowed, it took thousands of years of conflict and we were so lucky that it happened in the 18th century in Europe (Statism had been weakened due a series of historical events and forth grew liberty).
Before capitalism: Huge infant mortality and stable population (not enough food, you see). After capitalism - 7 billion people, most of them with a living standard that rivals the kings of the old. Did you know that Luis XIV, the mightiest king in Europe ever, the "Sun King" had painfully lost all his teeth due to a simple infection around the age of 25? Do you know what was his most prized possession to show off to other kings? An aluminum table.
To quote Mises directly:
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Really? So, you prefer they take their factories to the US, rise the cost of the products (increased production cost) so poor US people get poorer (can't buy as many things) and the original workers die of starvation, since they can't get a job. Very humanistic of you.
You have a lot of work to do to understand capitalism