Get richer honestly?

madoctopus said:

This is one thing I absolutely don't agree with. First off, I want to make it clear that I don't think I or anybody should decide on behalf of somebody else. However, when you are being fed tampered evidence, lies, half-truths, emphasis on certain benefits and leaving out negatives, etc. then a person's decision is not made using accurate information and logic. Hence his decision making process is rigged.

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Taking a decision involves the process of sorting out good information from bad. People historically solve this with reputation networks.

If I'm selling you an X and I tell you it will take care of 5 problems you have and emphasize on how cool that is going to be and all that you might very likely want it. If I also tell you there's a 30% chance to get cancer from it, have your testicles fall off and grow hair in your palms you might take a different decision.

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Buy a box of some common prescription drug, read the description with the tiny letters that describe the possible abysmal side effects (most of them will have a ton of). Is your doctor immoral for prescribing it to you without reading you the list?

Kids are diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and similar syndromes, are being made to think (and their parents too) that there's something wrong with them, when in fact there's something wrong with the system (see Stefan's video on mental diseases and drugs). But the system will not agree to such a claim or allow doubt to be cast on it, hence it twists everything into "the kid is sick". The entire chain in the system is being fed bullshit - from pharma, doctors, educators all the way to the parents and the kid itself. Every component (doctors, edu, etc) in the chain assumes this aberration as a fact - actually as the ONLY fact/possible way - and then not only uses it in its own logic but propagates it, wrongly educating other components of the chain - downstream or sideways.

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I agree that the ADHD story is mostly a huge scam as it has unfolded.

You have a young child. You can tell him if he jumps off a cliff he's going to have an amazing time, he's going to feel the wind in his face, get an adrenalin rush, feel awesome, etc. It's all true! Do you do that? No. Because you know the full story - he's going to die at the end. As a matter of fact, I'd say a good measure of morality is to ask yourself "would I do this to my child?".

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Replace the child with an adult, and the blame is on the person who chose to jump.

While I agree with your 2nd sentence above - no evil in the demand-offer system by default - I do not agree with an absolute generalization of it. When somebody knowingly tampers and sculpts information to achieve a certain benefit while hurting somebody else, that is not ok IMO. There's nothing wrong with the system itself. The problem is with people who are willing to twist it and game it and hurt others for a benefit. And what is truly sad for me is the fact they do this despite the fact the win-win system works. In fact it works far better. What it doesn't work for however is tickling one's ego and allowing him to gain control and have an effect on somebody else.

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There is a subtle point here. Not disclosing negative information and breach of contract (I don't mean this as a formal contract) is a different thing. If you sell me a car for example, we agree that the thing should work as expected for a minimum of X years. Failing to fulfill that, is the seller 's responsibility to bear the cost of the damages.

If I have a groceries store, and I sell groceries to you, and next day you die because they were poisoned, it is not me who is the criminal (considering I didn't knew they're poisoned) but whoever poisoned the groceries.

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Actually, you are if someone poisoned them. The deal is that you sell me veggies, not veggies and polonium That different from selling rotten veggies for example.

Hope I managed to make myself clear. Any more questions, fire away! You know I luv arguing with you :dancing:

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Sorry for the short kind of the reply, I 'm a bit lacking of time today :weather00

Capitalism is the ability to store and wealth and trade. For this simple thing to be allowed, it took thousands of years of conflict and we were so lucky that it happened in the 18th century in Europe (Statism had been weakened due a series of historical events and forth grew liberty).

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I think you're confusing free market which is a theoretical principle with capitalism witch is an actual methodology of doing things. While capitalism might boast about itself it is the same thing or encompassing free market, it actually isn't. Out of the box free market does not involve taxes, coercion, preferential laws, etc. Storing wealth and trading was happening thousands of years ago. Only difference was who you payed the taxes to, in what way and how stable/unstable everything was compared to now.

Capitalism is not the effect of thousands of years of progress but the effect born from the need of not micromanaging masses anymore. Capitalism is the addon on top of free market which stops it from being free through certain regulations. I'm talking about the actual implementation of capitalism not the theoretical capitalism.
The way it is now is not the theoretical model just like the way communism was implemented was not the theoretical communist model.

I am not against certain capitalist features - particularly it's core attributes - but in practice these core attributes are being "managed" and manipulated away from what they were supposed to be. Capitalism means capital accumulation as you say but the practical situation today is this accumulation is actually hindered.

So, while in theory capitalism might sound as a nice thing (so did communism), in practice it is not implemented so nicely. On top of that the banking and debt system which got plugged into capitalism so seemingly that they might even seem as a de-facto part of it, essentially siphon out the capital and take control from the capital owner and put it in the hands of the top lenders. In essence, even if you're not personally owing money to a bank, you're still loosing money indirectly. Specifically because practical capitalism is not theoretical capitalism.

Being Honest in business never lift down at any time. For short time growth dishonest will help, but it brings trouble later. Holding a position in market with the service is the backbone of growth. Honest always sounds good buddy

I bet anyone. ANYONE can make money by this method. At least 100$ per day which is one signup at InsaneDollars.

Not everyone can make adsense site, not everyone can sell 100+ items on Amazon, not everyone can write Kindle books, but then there is a porn, where everything is allowed, with huge market, billions of websites for advertising (free or paid), and at least, you can make that money for investing in something more 'legal' or invest in your 'dream'.

Cheers.

Did u scam people? NO.

Result = honest.

So why so serious.

If you think CPA is not the honest way in making money, there are tons of other methods on making money via net, such as clicbank, adsense, selling your own product, services. But in the end, is all about "marketing strategy".

Adrian112 said:

I bet anyone. ANYONE can make money by this method. At least 100$ per day which is one signup at InsaneDollars.

Not everyone can make adsense site, not everyone can sell 100+ items on Amazon, not everyone can write Kindle books, but then there is a porn, where everything is allowed, with huge market, billions of websites for advertising (free or paid), and at least, you can make that money for investing in something more 'legal' or invest in your 'dream'.

Cheers.

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porn is a big industry, but well if you need money maybe it's a good way, but not very the "best" way at least for me, I don't like promoting it all. Also when friends told me to start ewhoring, it was easy money at first, but then i quit, because ewhoring is immoral, from my point of view, for example.

Thanks guys for all of your posts, very interesting. I've only wanted to show you my point of view on about making money with IM. I belong to a family where all of people from my uncle,grandfather, cousins, are all honest and always worked hard for get what they wanted. They aren't rich but they live a normal life. They are a bit confused when I speak them about the IM because they want to know and many other people asked me about IM because most people where I live need extra cash. Also for example, from my point of view, promoting PPD/CPA offers with fake niches/youtube videos is immoral but not illegal, you aren't stealing people money, people decide if they want to complete free offer or not.

Some people I know succeed working hard and made good money with honest and moral ways, but like you guys said most people become greedy when there are money. I'll try to make my best to work hard and give people what they want. Sorry for my english.

msuper28 said:

. I belong to a family where all of people from my uncle,grandfather, cousins, are all honest and always worked hard for get what they wanted. They aren't rich but they live a normal life. They are a bit confused when I speak them about the IM because they want to know and many other people asked me about IM because most people where I live need extra cash. Also for example, from my point of view, promoting PPD/CPA offers with fake niches/youtube videos is immoral but not illegal, you aren't stealing people money, people decide if they want to complete free offer or not.

Some people I know succeed working hard and made good money with honest and moral ways, but like you guys said most people become greedy when there are money. I'll try to make my best to work hard and give people what they want. Sorry for my english.

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Problem is you are stuck in a paradigm because of your upbringing, you think making money off selling stuff to people is immoral, every big business is doing that, from google/amazon/facebook to any small webmaster. Ofcourse you dont have to promote complete scam products, but there are many useful products which you can promote and still make huge money. Check out bob proctor's videos on youtube and you will understand what i am saying.

leena said:

Problem is you are stuck in a paradigm because of your upbringing, you think making money off selling stuff to people is immoral, every big business is doing that, from google/amazon/facebook to any small webmaster. Ofcourse you dont have to promote complete scam products, but there are many useful products which you can promote and still make huge money. Check out bob proctor's videos on youtube and you will understand what i am saying.

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Yeah, maybe I've got this paradigm in my family that most of rich people are immoral/not honest people, but I've started time ago to start thinking different, and well I started making some money with IM and thanks to your advices guys. However you're right, I was only promoting fake softwares with CPA/PPD some time ago, but I needed money, now I don't think I'll start again with fake niches, but at least I don't think I was doing something illegal, just giving people what they wanted.
Bob Proctor wow thanks I didn't know him, only known Tony Robbins. I found a really motivational video here of Bob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VUwsObucuI
Very interesting, I really like studying and learnings new things here and in life, thanks for giving me this advice.

Morality is when everyone is happy of the outcome.