Filling in CPA's on your own

overl00rd said:

So, using GodCPA or CakeSlice is not fraud?

Faking job leads in CL to fill out CPA pay-per-lead offers are not fraud?

Am I missing sumthin here?

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GodCPA-fraud
faking job leads in cl for CPA-for sure fraud

filling out your own CPA offers-fraud and not smart

Nevermind that not one lead will convert...ever!! LOL. This sounds like something stupid I would've done when I started..

dumdum4gumgum said:

At least its real info submitted in these so advertiser gets what they want the emails

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Not fraud, eh?

So the story goes like this.... (take a CPA pay-per-lead Tax offer, as an example)

A job ad in CL looking for customer service staff. An applicant sends a response or a CV, and she'll get a delayed autoresponder that says... thank you for your response blablabla..., as a first step you have to fill out this form that usually goes to our customer and please provide us your suggestion of your 'user experience', as well as filling in your basic info there.... (u get the idea)

BAM. Form filled with 'legit' basic info. User agent, IP, and all the stuff looks legit too.

Then the next day, the advertiser following up the lead and then the applicant responded, 'what?? i don't need any help with the IRS, I have no tax problem. I filled out the form because the instruction I got told me so, as a part of submitting my job application'

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This thread rings a bell?

anybody can explain to us noobs how to separate BH from the fraud?

it's so lame to see how everybody licks harros ass

racku said:

it's so lame to see how everybody licks harros ass

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Yeah but then again these threads seem to keep popping up one a day.. and every single time the op gets raped. It's not only because of licking big H's ass... Filling in own leads is lame.

abba50 said:

Yes, all of those methods are fraud. Why some are accepted and straight filling out your own offers is frowned upon is beyond me. None of them convert for the advertiser, ever. And filling out your offers was accepted at one time on here. Especially when a method for it was being sold for $500 a pop a couple of years ago.

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In reality, any method that depends on tricking surfers to fill out leads, or any method that is based on sending fake/fraud leads to merchants should be frowned upon. Yes, these methods rip off merchants and I've touched on that before. But there's another reason these methods should be frowned upon.

That reason is self-preservation. Fake/fraud leads have zero value for merchants, and in some cases, cost them a lot of money (rebill offers filled out with stolen credit cards, for example). If these methods are encouraged and more and more BHers start picking them up, the amount of money that merchants lose will get higher and higher.

Eventually, the merchant's loss can get to a point where they close down their program or simply go bankrupt. Beyond monetary loss, fake/fraud leads can even get the merchant in so much trouble that they are forced to close their doors. When that happens, the campaign is gone for everyone.

This isn't BS. It happens all the time. Fake/fraud methods have serious impact on this industry and if any of you are serious about making money in this business long term, you SHOULD be frowning on these tactics.

And before someone posts "STFU, this is a BH forum"... remember that this is a Black Hat SEO forum. Black Hat SEO has absolutely nothing to do with delivering fake/fraud leads to merchants.

Check the second post steve,we all know the difference between blackhat and fraud

p2y said:

Check the second post steve,we all know the difference between blackhat and fraud

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I have no doubt a large number of the members of this community know the difference, but based on many of the posts I read here, many do not.

If this works, go for it.

This will most definitely work for email submits, hire some teenage boy to do it for you, done.

Keep in mind, almost ALL blackhat is fraud. Telling someone you're a 30-year-old woman asking for sex, but you want age verification and sign up at ____ link is fraud. Why? 1. you are deceiving someone and lying. 2. you make a profit.

There. Fraud.

But no one really gives a shit.

If you fill in your own offers for a CPA network, the most they will do is ban you.

If you can do it go for it. Most people are inclined to believe that filling in your own offers = no no.

Like I said, there's a way for everything. I'm sure, absolutely sure there are a few people making a living cheating adsense.

If you can find a way, grats.

Edit: post was too long. I say make win win deals. the blackhat part comes in how you get traffic. just my 2 cents.

gurujh said:

I totally agree with you Harro. I dont know what has been going on lately here on BHW, but so many posts have just been one fraud technique after another.

I have said in previous posts that there are more than enough ways to make money actually providing what a prospects wants with a offer that supplies his or her needs.

Yes, this is BHW, and yes you can use black hat methods, but fraud and black hat are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS!

I dont mind automation, or back door techniques as long as they do not involve fraud. Use your common sense people! You should by now know what's right from wrong. If it feels wrong, don't do it! If your using a method that has you losing sleep at night, stop doing it! If your worried every time you hear a siren out your window, that is not the way to live. Just my two cents.

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I also agree. I am all for certain methods and getting traffic using ways other people cant. I think its like counting cards in black jack, but every lead or sale I make has some benefit for the advertiser and network. If people keep the fraud going on it dampers us as a whole and causes crack downs and a loss of trust between advertiser and publisher which will eventually cause us ALL a loss in the long run.

very bad idea anyways filling your offers that's for weenies!!!

Those of you who think that this is a fraud (sorry Harro, you as well) have problems with distinction between two subject. Not so long ago, Harro posted a method of putting fake Youtube-like player picture over ads so that people who want to see a movie click on picture and with that on ad as well. This is fraud on two levels:

1) You are forcing people to click on ads
2) You lie to people that there is a movie on that site

In addition to 1), you also steal money from advertisers by sending them totally untargeted traffic, so basically you are frauding them for their advertising dollars.

And how this is much different on clicking on your own ads, or filling up your CPA?

You guys are looking at this from a linear perspective. Why not throw some real traffic along with your autocompletes and keep it halfway legit, smaller, less respected networks only; not copeac, not maxbounty, not hydra, not neverblue, nor any of your good networks...

If you send some traffic that really does convert and your quality is subpar, if they choose to let you go, at least they'll have some customers' business that will be retained, and you've used that time wisely to find that nugget so you can move on with the networks that will pay more!

You're not destroying the internet here; but be careful! It's like keeping up a lie; how long can ya do it for? This applies to all things blackhat; for me, I'll do it for as long as I need in order to optimize my campaigns.

Personally, I'd like to throw a little real traffic in the mix & SCALE TO GO LEGIT! Crack a bottle and use the rest of the money to invest in your ppv and ppc campaigns, whilst sending real big traffic their way that counts!

Will I be banned from 5-10 networks whose reputation is so small they may have not paid me anyway from many autocompletes? Maybe.. Do I still keep my good accounts such as Copeac, MB, NB, Hydra, so forth? Absolutely.

Am I still happy? In one year, I'll look in the mirror and report back to the lounge and let you know.. Does it matter? Not to any of my bellow BHers, and I love you guys for real..

So for example, my concern regarding wtfownage's legitimacy in his CL Jobs method forum may have been irrelevant and in vein which some of you may remember when I called his method, fraudulent.

Is it fraud? The network will ultimately decide. I just hope that if I choose to do autocompletes, I can keep my BHW reputation and respect from my fellow blackhatters. I may be the one buying CPA accounts until I have enough saved up to be a 100% legitimate PPC affiliate for once in my life.

It's not any less legitimate than some of the most beautiful methods disclosed by Sr. bhw Members, to which I have given many reputation points for putting out all over our forums. Thank you blackhatworld for being an open-minded online community and KEEPING it real! -Peepers

havokb8 said:

I hate to say it again however, it is my motto that if the only way you can make money is by filling in your own offers your in the wrong business. This is not recommended it won't work out for you

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I agree. Way too much effort for minimal reward.

Oh and I have to agree with everyone saying this is fraud.

you sir, are officially a douche

the cpa networks will detect you no doubt

they dont care to ip or something there more important to care about they check advertiser with real info real addresses real phone numbers

if all that fake you account will close then

Just ask other ppl fill in for you save alot more effort.

Bad idea filling out your own offers, will only work for a short bit of time then you will get caught and banned...probably before your even paid that first check. Dont do it.

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Yep its fraud, but at the same time you can do it and hide your footprints aswell