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Facebook Ads - Fraud!

Discussion in 'FaceBook' started by Sanja1, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. Sanja1

    Sanja1 Registered Member

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    Intro

    I run FB campaign (CPE) for a 3 months.

    I studied my competition for some period and managed to get 0,001$ per USA engagement.

    Basically, I am getting 700-1500 Post Engagements per $1 and 100-200 Page likes.

    Till now I managed to get 10K likes.

    At the beginning everything was perfect I was getting more than 100 likes per every new post with 5K fans.

    FB Fraud

    1.

    - As the page was growing the reach dropped for 50%. That would mean that with 5K I was reaching same number of people like I do now, with 10K.

    - The post likes also started decreasing (normally they should increase because the number of fans increased).

    I never changed anything (gender, age, location…), I am promoting the same ad all the time.

    So I started investigating, and I find out that FB is sending Fake Likes to my page. Some of the people who liked my page through this campaign are having very few friends, some of them doesn’t have profile picture…

    2.

    When I tried to invite people who liked my boosted post to like my page I received message

    “We're sorry, more invitations to like this Page can't be sent today. Please try again later.”

    I tried to research why am I getting this message. The answer that I found is: Abusing or Spamming

    Obviously what I'm doing is not spam as I can only invite a person once.

    Also, what does abusing mean? – I am not inviting random people, people who like the posts are already interested in the page. I guess that using their feature is abusive.

    So, I tried to get answer on how many people am I allowed to invite per day. Their support said “The limit is different for each user. There are several factors that go into why limits are placed.”

    Come on … the limit is different for every user… LOL

    Obviously, Facebook does not care for their costumers, all they want is money and they will do everything to force u to spend more money.

    Am I the only one with such a bad experience?

    P.S Sorry for my bad English.
     
  2. shenpig

    shenpig Registered Member

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    You're doing great. The orginal post reach is always down several years. Can you help give some advice, how I can get so low cpe like you? Thanks.
     
  3. Sanja1

    Sanja1 Registered Member

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    Well, the problem is that FB does not care for their costumes. They will always find the way to force u to spend more money....All they want is money!
    I am receiving Likes from Fake Accounts through their paid promotion, also if I try to invite someone who liked my boosted post to like my page I am seeing message "no more invitations to like this Page can't be sent today".

    Related your question, try to analyse your competition. See what works and what doesn't work that good for them. Analyze what type of people are liking their pages, more females or more males are interested, their age..Look at their posts, read some of their articles that are having good engagement, also read some with low engagement. Try to figure out why some of their posts are getting more engagement than others.

    Also, the image is very important feature of an ad. Figure out what will attract attention and clicks.

    I hope it helps :)


    P.S Sorry for my bad English
     
  4. Innovatorz

    Innovatorz Regular Member

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    The process is sane and legit. However, you are mistaken.

    Yes, Facebook doesn't care for its customers, after all, why should they? They are earning billions through paid ads, and guess what, even if you have 3. 4 lakh page likes, you might not be able to sell a single thing!

    Now, coming to your other claims.

    1)
    Facebook is not sending out those fake profiles. The fake profiles are created by Facebook users, like you and me, and they tend to like your ads, to prove that the account is not fake. (Seems confusing, but that is the truth.) Real users won't jump up at Facebook suggestions of liking a post/page/video. However, if you are a fake user, you would love this feature of Facebook, so that you can appear to be a real user.

    Also, you said that most of the users don't have picture, and low friend count. Trust me, not everyone likes to have a lot of friends on Facebook. And some don't even have their own picture. I have 10+ guys in Facebook who have less than 100 friends, and I know each of them personally. I have 2 - 3 guys on Facebook friend list, who have no profile picture. So, that is not a measure of the uniqueness of a profile. But even then yes, some profile like this can be fake. But once again, Facebook is banning profiles left and right. They do ask for ID verification at times, to see if the profile is valid or not. I mean, as a business they are doing all they can. But at the same time, fake profiles are growing exponentially, with people all around trying adult marketing, affiliate marketing and what not all on Facebook.

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    Unfortunately, this is one of the ways Facebook is trying to prevent spam. Even I have gotten that message once in a while. They do have a set number for the invitations you can send daily. No need to panic, just wait 24 hours and send in. As for other methods of spam prevention, try scheduling 30+ posts in a single day from Facebook's native scheduler, you would need to fill in captchas after each. That is once again to prove that you are not a robot. Crazy, huh?

    3) As for the cost of your likes for post and page likes, yes, they do differ drastically. If you set your campaign to only US, instead of other locations, and have an age restriction of 18+, you'd see how less of a follower you get. Might be 1 - 3 per day with $10 budget. Once again, my assumption is Facebook restricts that and shows it to only a percentage of its visitor. The algo is weird to be frank.

    So, at the end of the day, yes Facebook doesn't care for customers like you, and yes, you cannot do anything about it. Don't like it? The message is clear from Facebook and IG, "Just move on with some other platform." :)
     
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  5. Sanja1

    Sanja1 Registered Member

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    Yea, but I was talking from advertiser perspective. They can not find solution = they are sending them.

    That is only an excuse for them. Inviting people why liked your boosted post to like your page can not be spam or abusive. Reason: You are able to invite the person only once, and if they liked your post they are most probably interested for your page. Fb Support does not have answer on how many people can be invited, tame frame between invites..(the rules are not clear). I am banned for the first time, more than 48hrs and still the same message "more invitations to like this Page can't be sent today". How can you follow rules that does not exist?


    You can achieve very low CPE, just analyse your competition and never forget that the image is very important feature of an ad. At the moment my target is only USA and I am paying $0,001 per engagement. Once you achieve such a price stick with that ad. If u stop the promotion, example for a week, and u try to promote the same ad after that u will not get the same CPE.

    However, I would agree that "The message is clear from Facebook and IG, "Just move on with some other platform" - Yeah, they can do it because they dont have big competition.

    P.S Sorry for my bad English
     
  6. wisdomkid

    wisdomkid Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Facebook is really reducing the reach of posts, and unless you're innovating more ideas to beat their updates, you'll keep on spending more money than the profits
     
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  7. Innovatorz

    Innovatorz Regular Member

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    Yes. That's true.

    But it boils down to a simple thing, there's very less competition and Facebook is one of the biggest fish in the market. So, if you don't like them, you need to change the network.
     
  8. kizzz

    kizzz Newbie

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    I saw a video of some dude who actually did investigate this thoroughly, by comparing fake like from an external service and the page promotion service of facebook itself, and the result was equally bad. The promotion you buy through facebook is a worthless and fake as any of those external bot or click services. There are different videos on youtube explaining this scam.
     
  9. deal with it

    deal with it Power Member

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    never be sorry for your english, its so stupid to do.
    I used to do but now stopped.
     
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  10. CyberGenie

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    While a lot of FB likes come from clickfarms, bots, etc. FB does send me a torrent of legit likes from my ad spends. May be I am biased here as I am happy with FB ads.
     
  11. juicemane

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    You just need to do it right.