Extensive Guide for Domaining; evaluation, registration, expired domains, tools for domaining etc.

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Hello,

I see a lot of recurring questions on Domain Name Forum. As a long term player in the Domain Industry, I decided that what i can do best to contribute BHW is creating a guide for all aspects of Domaining.

Sorry for any grammar mistakes, i dont think my English is good enough to create such a guide but i will do it anyway :)

(With your questions and contributions, i will constantly update this post, feel free to share your experience. At first it wont cover everything but if i see any attention at all, it will will be a really good source of information when i am done with it.)


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Content Table:

A - Terms

B - Q&A Type of guide!
--1. What is a Premium Domain?
--2. How to make profit by flipping Domain Names?
--3. What are Expired Domain Names?
--4. What is Backordering?
--5. Should i invest in New Domain Extensions?
--6. How to determine how much does a domain worth?
--7. Trademark infringements and domaining, you own c0cac0la.com and you want to know if it is jackpot!


C - TOOLS

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A - Some TERMS you need to know;

ICANN: An organization that is behind all internet stuff. They also set rules for registries and registrars. They are in control of whois data.

Domain Registry: A company which owns and manages domain extensions. Most known firm is Verisign with 18 Billion Dollars Market Cap.

Domain Name Registrar: A company which lets you store and manage your domain names. Most known firm is Godaddy with 14 Billion Dollars Market Cap.

Hand Reg: Activity of registering a domain name that is available through any domain registrar company such as godaddy, namecheap, namesilo etc. Average price of hand registering a domain with .com extension is $10 per year.

Reseller: Someone who is going to buy a domain name and sell it later.

End User: Someone who is going to buy a domain name and use it with an actual project.

TLD: Top Level Domain

gTLD: Generic Top Level Domain (.com, .net, .org etc.)

nTLD: New Top Level Domain (.link, .world, .market, .click etc.)

Domain Expiration: In case of someone dont renew their domain within their registrar firm, domain will be available for registration under a new owner in 30-75 days.

Backordering: When a good domain expires, people try to register is as soon as possible. Most of the time you must pay to a backorder company to do it, they have systems created just to register those domain names.

Whois: A type of search which let you get information about a domain names owner information and other details.

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B - Q&A Type of guide!

1. What is a premium Domain?

Long story short, a premium domain is actually a domain name which is already registered by someone. That is it.

It is called "premium" because if you want to use this domain name you must pay to the current owner of the domain. Most of the time it is more expensive than hand registering a domain name.

Honestly, most of the time these so called "premium" domains are not even worth to hand regging.

2. How to make profit by flipping Domain Names?

Buy low, sell high. That is the idea ofc. It is all about spending time, when you spend time and search through domain names you can find good domain names that are actually "premium" with cheap prices on them.

It is all about timing and being in right place at the right time; when domain owners need cash quickly they tend to sell their domains with really low prices, sometimes owners dont even know how much their domains worth. If you dig through domain names you will find gems eventually.

Also some domain owners just forget to renew their domain names, which in the end cause their domain names to drop and be available for hand registration. We call these domain names "Expired Domain Names"

3. What are Expired Domain Names?

Searching through expiring domain names and registering them as soon as they become available for public is my favorite type of domaining actually. But you must know that it is time consuming even with best tools out there.

In an average day, more than 100.000 domains(.com, .net and .org) expire and become available for public registration. There are tools that let you list all of these domains with filtres that you put.
If you wish to see domains that are older than 10 years and dropping today, you will get a list and search through them.

Most of the time finding a good domain is up to your filtering type. The more domain that you check the more domain that you will find with cheaper prices.

If you go and check only oldest 100 domains everyday that day drops, you will only see very high quality names and you wont be able to get any of them at all.

Why you cant get them? Because a lot of people will try to register those names as soon as they are available, more importantly there are backorder companies with huge rgistration systems just created for catching expired domain names. If you want to get such good names you must backorder them with a company that specialized in the area.

4. What is Backordering?

It is paying a company to register an expiring domain name as soon as it is available after its drop. You should backorder a domain if you think it is very valuable and trying hand registering it will be risky.

There are just a few backorder companies and i will list them under "TOOLS" section end of the guide.

5. Should i invest in New Domain Extensions? (.link, .world, .market, .click etc.)

What i am going to say about it is just my opinion;

"Absolutly stay away from registering new domain extensions for reselling purpose!"

First days of your domaining you will see A LOT of good domain names with new domain extensions are available for hand reg. If you start regging them, there is no end to it. Most of the time it is really expensive to renew these domains and you will end up huge loss if you invest in them heavily.

6. How to determine how much does a domain worth?

Lets say our domain name is potatomarket.com

Step by step;

a. Check other extensions if potatomarket.net, .org, .info etc. are available for registration. If they are all available it is more likely a bad domain name, if they are not available mostly it is a good domain. In our case visit namesilo.com and type in "potatomarket" and hit search. you will see how many extensions are available or not.

b. Check google keyword planner with your keyword and see if it is and exact match for a good keyword with high search volume or cpc. In our case go and check for "potato market" word or "buy potato" "potato store" kind of variations.

c. Visit estibot.com type your domain name, it has its own algorithm and will give you some idea about its value. DO NOT DEPEND ON ESTIBOT, ABSOLUTLY DO YOUR OWN SEARCH TO DETERMINE THE VALUE. Estibot free account lets you check 5 domains value per day for free.

d. Visit NameBio.com and check historical domain sales data to find if there are any sale with a similar domain with yours. In our case, check sales which starts with "potato" then check sales with ending in "market" and you will have a figure at the end.

e. Check if there are social media accounts under the name, in our case check for twitter.com/potatomarket, instagram.com/potatomarket etc.

7. Trademark infringements and domaining, you own c0cac0la.com and you want to know if it is jackpot!

No, c0cac0la.com wont make you rich, most likely after some time you register such a name it will be deleted from your account and you will end up with $10 loss. You cant get a refund in this kind of situation.

Avoid big companies trademarks, it is really useless. Even if you are a developer, after you develop a domain DMCA will warn google and you will be de-indexed in the and.

What you can do is you can find small-medium companies which use "companyname.net", if you get "companyname.com" for a small amount lets say 100 dollars, most of the time they will be happy to pay you up to $1000 to buy the .com version of their domain from you.

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C - TOOLS that you need to do things i cover in this guide;

GoDaddy.com: Most used registrar in the world. You must have an account with them, it is not optional. It is called GD.

GD Auctions: you pay $15 per year to access GoDaddy market and auctions. It is also a must, not really optional.

NameSilo.com: Cheapest domain registrar, also it lets you sell domain names with only 7,5% commision, it is lowest commision in the market. also you can get paid in Bitcoin if you sell a domain name with them.

ExpiredDomains.net: Best free tool to search through expiring and expired domain names.

DomCop.com: Best tool to find Expiring Domain names with good metrics and backlinks. It is a paid tool.

FreshDrop.com: It is also paid but it gives free trial period. It is not really good but i like the user interface it has.

Estibot.com: It is a mixed tool, mostly i use it to determine value of a domain name as i described under evaluation. It is a paid tool, i think it is overpriced.

DomainTools.com: It is best tool to reach out historical domain ownership information. It is paid and i think it is overpriced.

Whoisology.com: A good tool to check whois data. It used to show other domains of the owner of the domain that you check but it cant do it anymore, due to new gdrp regulations.

NameBio.com: Historical domain sales database, they record every public sale with price and date.

LeanDomainSearch.com: Free tool to generate domain names with the keyword of your choice and that are available for registration.

Efty.com: Paid service with a very reasonable price, it helps you create landing pages for all of your domains, keep record of your sales, expiration dates and gives you a portfolio website which you can showcase your domains.

Escrow.com: Best escrow service out there. Low commision, high quality service.

DropCatch.com: Biggest backordering company

SnapNames.com: My favorite backordering company.
 
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Appreciate the effort behind the post.

Learned a lot.

EstiBot is a cool tool . It doesn't gauge all factors well as it should but it's cool.
 
Thanks @just bob
this guide helped me a lot, I spend hours looking at expired domains
I found several domains of large companies, I thought of buying and selling for them, but it seems a complicated process because they can not accept and sue me lol
 
Great guide, thank you! @just bob have you used the scrapebox expired domain tool before? I think it's like a $50 add-on not sure if it's worth it.
 
Thanks @just bob
this guide helped me a lot, I spend hours looking at expired domains
I found several domains of large companies, I thought of buying and selling for them, but it seems a complicated process because they can not accept and sue me lol

How large was the company? What kind of domain did you found on them? directly companyname.com or something other?

Great guide, thank you! @just bob have you used the scrapebox expired domain tool before? I think it's like a $50 add-on not sure if it's worth it.

Thank you for your review, i will check it out. I am planning to update this guide lately. Got some attention at least wasnt expect that. I will try scrapebox and give my review on it :) Thanks for your contribution.
 
@ Serhatkotan.

Nice thread.

  • Which free listing site can l register.
  • How can I identify and contact an end user
  • How can l transfer a domain from eg ( godaddy to namecheap) to a new owner?
Thanks
 
@ Serhatkotan.

Nice thread.

  • Which free listing site can l register.
  • How can I identify and contact an end user
  • How can l transfer a domain from eg ( godaddy to namecheap) to a new owner?
Thanks

Great questions, i will update my guide and add these too later. thank you for your contribution.

Answer to first question;

my favorite is afternic + sedo combination. completely free also they have a system, if you give them a bigger commision they promote your domains on a huge variaty of registrars domain availablity check pages. You can list your domains on both sedo and afternic, it wont be a problem.

Answer to second question;

Identifiying Enduser:


1. Check your keywords other extensions. lets say if you own blackpotato.com and if a business uses blackpotato.net as their website, it is a greate opportunity. They are probably gonna buy it. Dont forget to check country top level domains too, such as .de, .co.uk, .com.au, .ch etc.

2. Go to google and search using "inurl:" attribute. if your domain is blackpotato.com make a search for "inurl:blackpotato" it will give you URLs that includes your keyword. Results may surprise you :)

3. Search for your domain name "blackpotato.com" on google. You might find a previous owner who might be interested in.

4. Search archive.org for blackpotato.com, check the older businesses that was using this domain as their name.

5. Check social media accounts with your keyword. for example just write this twitter.com/blackpotato on your browser and see if it exists.

-there are more but these are free options.

Contacting Enduser:

Getting in touch with the right person is amazingly important. Lets say you found out blackpotato.net is in use, it is a business in USA which seems good at its job. You must let the every person in this company know that you have blackpotato.com and it is up for sale.

Visit blackpotato.net and find every piece of communication method they left on the website, use ALL of them, make a Whois search, if details of blackpotato.net are not hidden mail to the owner, and technic mails also CALL them or if you afraid to call, check their phone numbers on whatsapp to see if they are available on whatsapp. but more importantly dont be afraid to call.

List the names of owner and managers of the business, make google search for them, use every communication channel that you find on google to get in touch with them, facebook? twitter? another mail address? all of them.

Answer to third question;

It is easy, there is a thing called "authorization code". If you own the authorization code of a domain name, you can transfer it to anywhere you want, it takes 5 days to complete transfer to reduce the domain stealing rates.

You must go to domain management page on godaddy, click on the domain that you want to transfer,find "get authorization code" in there.

Godaddy will mail you the code, give this code to the person who wants to transfer the name to namecheap.

They must go to namecheap "transfer domain" section. they must put the domain name and authorization code with it, then they must pay for 1 year renewal of the domain and it will be transfered in 5 days to the new owner on new registrar.

Later i will work more on these questions and answers but for now these are my 2 cents :)
 
@ Serhatkotan,

I really appreciate your answer. Thanks

Another question

  • Is it mandatory to wait for 60 days before a newly registered domain be listed for sale?
 
@ Serhatkotan,

I really appreciate your answer. Thanks

Another question

  • Is it mandatory to wait for 60 days before a newly registered domain be listed for sale?
Not at all, you can list it for sale and if anyone buys it you will tell them they must have an account on the registrar that domain exists. It is forbidden to transfer a domain out of the registrar first 60 days but you can push it to another account which is owned by another guy at the same registrar.

so if you reg a domain name on GoDaddy, first 60 days you are able to push the domain to some other account. It is doable.
 
Thanks @serhatkotan
Great and extensive guide from a guy (it seems) he knows what he's talking about.
 
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Thanks @serhatkotan
Great and extensive guide from a guy (it seems) he knows what he's talking about.
Are you a ****** member?

Yes actually, but it is not allowed to name other forums or communities on this forum at all. That is why i didnt mention about it. My username is same on there too.
 
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Yes actually, but it is not allowed to name other forums or communities on this forum at all. That is why i didnt mention about it. My username is same on there too.

I did not know.
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Nice guide! Appreciate your efforts.

Just i would fix one small thing...
a premium domain is actually a domain name which is already registered by someone

Actually, these days by Premium domains it mostly meant domains that registries keep for themselves and offer for a "premium" price. You can reg such domain as usual but for far from normal price.

Everybody can call any crap they registered "premium", but that's not the case.
 
Nice guide! Appreciate your efforts.

Just i would fix one small thing...


Actually, these days by Premium domains it mostly meant domains that registries keep for themselves and offer for a "premium" price. You can reg such domain as usual but for far from normal price.

Everybody can call any crap they registered "premium", but that's not the case.
Thanks for contribution :D

Yes ofc, that was also what i meant, i just meannt that premium doesnt mean premium at all :)

In the case that you put, it is for new gtlds. new gtld registries keep good domains and try to sell them as premium as you say. also they do not charge the price one time but they put a premium renewal fee too.
 
@ Serhatkotan

I am back

  • Should I create a custom/Business email address to contact enduser or l can use my regular email e.g. [email protected]

  • Will l have a direct contact with buyers on the free listing site, if l want to explain to them to open an account on the registrant website for easy (newly registered not up to 60 days) domain transfer or the transactions will only be controlled by the listing site
Looking forward to hear your opinion, thanks
 
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