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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by HaRRo, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. HaRRo

    HaRRo Elite Member

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    I have been lately starting new projects away from Blackhatworld so have not much been around lately as i should be, for this i am sorry and apologise.

    Lately the forum has turned on a little bad turn, this will hopefully change for the best. You as the user is our interest. We listen to everything possible and try and change the forum to suit everyones needs.
    Lately with a lot of us being busy, including myself with other projects, the forum has turned into a little warez zone, with bitching, drama and other things.

    Theres a lot of talk about decisions made here, especially the clayton one, justified or not a ban was or wasnt needed, it just happened, he is indeed banned. Some people might not agree with it, but he did skip the BST procedures in which he promoted his (2) sites out of what was supposed to be moderated. Some people claim also that he did not sell nothing, but i am sure, the hype caused people to enter there names, and email addresses into his (COMING SOON) email list, in which he has probably and could probably sell to you in the future.
    Its not that i fully dont trust the guy, its just strange to deny the fact of the BST procedures and seems a little off-puting to allow members to loose money over this.

    We at Blackhatworld try our absolute best to prevent users here getting scammed, and although lately its become very busy at our end i am hoping to change the procedure in which software/scripts/ebooks and products are moderated here, which will probably end up having a new team and method of whitelisting new products.

    Another thing is i want to drop the load here of warez and product shares, as this is not what this forum is about , and it seems to slowly be turning into that direction.
    What we and myself and im sure others want here is a group discussion about serious blackhat methods, tutorials, and a place to make the newbies, who just join us, to feel welcome with no drama to worry about or participate in.

    I know this is a hard thing to change, but what we need is a whole turnaround, we need not only moderator help, but yours, afterall, it is infact your forum.

    This place has become the home of many amazing online marketers, who have gave a lot to this forum, and we appreciate that highly, our new members who havent been personally welcomed here we appologise for that also, i would like to say now, welcome to the lot of you. Its just been a crazy, hard, drama-filled time, and we have spent most of our times lately moderating the bullshit, rather than giving our time to discuss methods, welcoming new users, and answering questions.

    I think at this point right now, it's time to make a turnaround, no bullshit, a lot less warez, more serious discussions, and stricter rules.

    Stricter rules means a better place for everyone. And as the rules state, everything in there is there for a reason and the reason is to help you.

    So come on people lets keep Blackhatworld going strong, just like the reason you joined.

    Amen

    < /rant>
     
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  2. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Well said, my man, well said.

    Less warez/ebooks, more discussions.

    Also guys, please try to keep your posts in the right categories. It makes it easier for other people to find what they're looking for ;)

    Other than that, you guys all rock in my book.
     
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  3. kayzne

    kayzne Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Yes, having owned multiple warez sites back in the day. It's too much drama, I don't want that here either.

    Professional Bank Robbers don't fuck around and neither should we.

    Think of it as Oceans 11...Naw, More like Harro's 13,662

    I think there should be a new forum created called "Reviews" with sub forums dedicated to reviewing software/scripts/ebooks and products. Only moderators and admins have access too posting new threads, and we, the people discuss them.

    We will need one public forum for suggesting which products to be included.

    I can help with this if you want.
     
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  4. battman323

    battman323 Regular Member

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    Well spoken Harro

    This forum is awesome and the members here are too (excluding the few rotten eggs)

    If somebody finds some off-the-shelf product that is actually kind of cool, post it and share it. But the people who are asking for products, well, go to a warez site for that. BHW is about black hat internet marketing and not about getting you the latest WSO.
     
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  5. cpaaddict

    cpaaddict Supreme Member

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    great stuff, and i agree fully. can i make one suggestion though?

    to stop the warez and shit being uploaded or downloads requested and so on.. why not scrap the downloads sections altogether.. then knowone can request or submit...

    but well said harro mate.. it needed to be put out
     
  6. Smitty

    Smitty BANNED BANNED

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    Good stuff, agreed.

    I do like the idea of cleaning up all the Warez n junk.

    If the requests and download section remain, I think there
    should be a requirement to have a certain amount of posts
    or membership duration to actually request stuff.

    I'm so damn sick of seeing people with 1 post saying, "Someone
    buy this for me and then share it."
     
  7. gts6

    gts6 Executive VIP

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    i agree Harro with everything. its a good time to make changes for the better.
     
  8. Pofecker

    Pofecker Senior Member Premium Member

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    I agree with all of the above.

    We are turning into a Warez forum.

    The methods, tactics and conversations that made us unique are slowly disappearing.

    I sit in front of my pc all day, everyday and have to sit by helpless and watch the forum I've grown to love go down the shitter.

    I've never been so active in a forum and this breaks my heart.

    I would like to contribute whatever I can to help this forum. It makes no difference what it is you have me do, I want to help. My 9-5 job at my software company requires me to be online and in front of the puter all day, I'd suggest the mods take advantage of that.

    Long Live BlackHatWorld!!!
     
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  9. easy

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    I've already had my rant on this topic.

    In my opinion we need a balance.

    The free stuff attracts new members and when they see the real value on offer here the smart ones will stay. The job is to get brid of the freebie seekers as quickly as possible.

    There used to be a rule where you had to make 30 posts before you could download.

    The downloads have been replaced by file sharing sites so that means even some freebie seeking bozo with 0 posts can get stuff.

    I reckon all download request and downloads should be restricted to within the Jr VIP section so that only members in good standing get access.

    Then there's an incentive for people to get involved in the forum and eventually gain enough stripes to get into the private forum.

    Ok 'nuff said.

    :)
     
  10. DutchRebel

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    well the thing is, as mentioned before, an minimum post count gives a lot of spammy comments, wich puts a lot more work on moderators, and putting it in the jr vip section means that it won`t be indext by google. so less new members will find this forum.

    it all has its down and up sides.

    i personaly like this forum so much because its not about bashing people and scam eachother out of 10 bucks as much as you can. there are allready enough boards out there where you can do that.

    at bhw you do get straight forward and valuable advice if you encounter a problem, and there always are people willing to help, and can point you in the right direction.

    i haven`t been around for to long. just about 6 months. but even i feel things are changing around here. i think setting up stricter rules, and making sure they are lived by is the way to go to get things organised again.

    and even if it is a lot more hassle at the start. i think it will pay of.
    but please don`t go overboard like in dp forums, where you get banned everytime one of the mods has been dumped by an ugly ass ewhore. and takes his frustration out on the members.

    but it still is a tricky subject, every option has an up and a down side.
    just have to find a good balance i think, but thats the hardest part.
     
  11. MoneyMafia

    MoneyMafia Regular Member

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    Plain and Simple:
    - Stricter rules (the thing that annoy me most is that new users dont post in the right category)
    - Regarding to warez ... Let's keep it light . I mean every digger need his tools. Dont take us the tools man.. :D
     
  12. BHWCobra

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    Agree with getting things back on track.

    My thoughts:

    1. I can appreciate what people are saying about offering downloads but I've had chance to look at stuff through the great sharing attitude on this forum that I wouldn't have bought in a million years. There is so much cr@p being sold, regurgitated, and re-sold that its impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. BHW helps us do that by knowledgeable members 'pre-filtering' the good from the bad. Wth a small number of items - I actually then went on to buy them so the developer has got a sale they wouldn't have otherwise had. I'd encourage anyone to do the same - if its quality, and you're gonna use it, go buy it.

    2. I'm at that stage where I've been through filling my hard disk with cr@p and have now realised that action is the key. Information is useless if not used. What I've learned from BHW members is how to take that leap from reading about it to actually doing it. OK, so I'm not a millionaire yet but with BHW along for the ride, I feel I'm on the way....:)

    3. There is so much on BHW about not just what to do but also how to do it. Ths is the spirit of BHW we need to keep, & build on. I've been on many forums but none have the genius level of this one.

    BHW may be mainly about Black Hat techniques but there is an integrity running through it that you don't find in many places.

    Long may it continue.
     
  13. ..Q..

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    When I first came here more than a year ago (lurking mode) I was actually looking discussion on Trafficboosterpro because I intended to purchase it.

    I think BHW need not worry about dwindling membership if the download area is taken down or having stricter rules there.

    Quality over quantity.
     
  14. Rodog

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    I have seen it all in the past year or so i have been here, The good the bad the ugly. But hey It all works out in the end. A good forum is a good forum, people will always come here. About the download section, well I don't mind it I actually like it. Since I have a real job i don't get much time in front of the computer, so when i do get a chance, I like to implement the ideas and tools available here to help me in my Blackhat projects.

    So whatever decisions are made here, this forum will be OK in the end.
     
  15. Whisker

    Whisker Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Amen bro, lets put all this bullshit to rest and get onto making loot like we were put on earth to do. This is one of those rare places where we get off on helping and that's the reason I've stuck around. I'm quite arrogant in stating that this has been the best forum i've ever been a part of and probably ever will be a part of, everyone here makes it what it is. The past few weeks have been a little rocky, but we just need to cool off, have a good fuck maybe then get back on track.
     
  16. stodan

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    I dont' want to be in disagreement but I don't think there are too much "warez". Only thing that there are too much of are those "make you feel good ebooks" being traded. None of those ebooks have any blackhat techniques value in them, and are just here to hype to boost some sales some other product. Very unblackhat most of these ebooks.


    Personally some of the apps I have obtained here are without doubt extremely valuable for starting to make cash online. And yes, I think they should be under better lock and key, or only available to BHW members who have earned it. ( post count, contribution, thanks score etc..)

    I hope I won't get banned for stating my view point. :eek:


    Thanks for making this such a great Forum.:)
     
  17. Choronzon

    Choronzon Power Member

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    I'm only here to learn how to make some cash. I work in a shitty job and work some horrendous hours so I want to find a way to make money online so I can get out of the rat race. I have read all the stoopid eBooks and I'm so tired of them. I'm using one or two useful tools I have found here so I would be sad to see those go, but if that's the decision to make this a better place then so be it.

    I for one am a confirmed black hatter for life :)
     
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  18. vmedia

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    i agree - we need to get back to bh techniques and strategies to make money and less with the warez.
     
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    I hope when the black hat membership starts the site will get streamlined as its very difficult to find anything without fluff, many people posting posts without correct subjects and its often a waste of hours searching for something. So some clean up would be appreciated!
     
  20. HaRRo

    HaRRo Elite Member

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    I starting from yesterday have started highly renaming threads, one for SEO and two for the benifit of users to search.