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Ebay - Destroy a rival!

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by Victoria Seo, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. Victoria Seo

    Victoria Seo Junior Member

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    Hello,
    My friend has a great shop selling electrnics on ebay. And he's got only one rival in the niche, but he's working unfair, dumping and putting too low prices, thus making my frined lowing prices too and loosing money. I need some advice to help my friend and destroy his rival. Black Hat techniques are welcomed:cool:
     
  2. super11

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    Lowering prices is not unfair. Even that guy wants to earn his share of bread and butter. It's your friend who needs to move on to some other niche, if he can't fight the competition fairly.
     
  3. Victoria Seo

    Victoria Seo Junior Member

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    You are on the Black Hat Forum, so don't forget about it - I'm not interested in fair or legal white techniques - I asked for Black hat advice and I'm waiting for it. Hope some members have ideas, if you don't know what to do, don't bother to make me think I'm doing bad or unfair..I want to destroy the rival, it's all.
    Waitng for your Black Hat ideas :D
     
  4. extremephp

    extremephp BANNED BANNED

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    No one here will discuss about how to destroy your rival. Blackhat doesnt essentially mean kicking the ass of your competitor directly. Get up more listing, grab more feedbacks and you will outrun him soon.

    And dont you think your rivals will be thinking the same and wants to destroy your business in ebay? You cant really kick his ass, and if you do, some one else will be kicking your ass soon.
     
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  5. super11

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    Money over integrity...huh....

    This world would be a reckless and worthless place to live if all people think like you and lose their integrity. It's because of honest people like me and others, this world is a place worth living and you say don't bother. Get a life dude...

    "If money is lost something is lost, if character is lost, everything is lost" You are a loser by all means with such an attitude towards life.

    P.S- It's never too late to be a better person :)
     
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  6. Victoria Seo

    Victoria Seo Junior Member

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    It's strange to see such replies in this forum especially after numerous topics like "how to destroy comeptiotor's site" with hundreds of replies and advices and even studies conducted. I can't understand why you think to destroy someone's site is better than someone's ebay business, but still hope there are some real black hatters here, and as to the business, success often comes when you make something you would call "unfair" and I already have successful experience with comepetiotor's site, just wonder maybe somebody has ideas how to implement it to ebay...
    P.S. And if you want to stay "moral" , work harder and earn less, it's totally up to you, it's only easier for to work black hat without rivalry;)
     
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  7. stressfree

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    What a prick you are!!!

     
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    stressfree Senior Member

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    Black hat traffic techniques does not mean "destroying a competitor" simply because they are better than you..low life t***.
     
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  9. Victoria Seo

    Victoria Seo Junior Member

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    SO you use only black hat traffic techniques? nothing else? well I htink it's very limited understanding, black hat is far more wider notion and studies held on thios forum abot destroying competitors sites are also black hat, but as far as I see nobody from those who answered the theme has enough knowledge concerning ebay, so if you have nothing to say or don't like the theme you can just skip it and don't read any more, so no more moral please, just your ideas
     
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    The reason you are getting replies like you are is because people on here don't mind using all the tricks in the book to get the upper hand with large corporations like Google. However, most people can put themselves in the shoes of the person you are trying to "destroy" and realise it wouldn't be right to do that, and also that a thing called karma might bite them on the ass.
     
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    No more morals? Have a negative rep for that. :yumyum:

    I think the better thing you can do is buy ebay so that you can control all the sellers. How about that?

    A guy who doesnt care for morals, should atleast keep this in mind, that your competitor also might have a family depending up on his income.So what if a guy just ranking below you sees you as a competitor and then come here and shout about kicking your ass? Should we help him too? :rolleyes:

    As said before, try building up more feedbacks, extend to more products, make your service all better than your competitor and you are the winner. Or else, try buying ebay and suspend his account.
     
  12. polomint

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    Let's pretend she or he didn't say that.. and get back on track!

    I was in the eBay market for over 5 years, you mention its a niche yet someone else is using lower prices which your friend is finding unbeatable, sadly then this is not a good niche and debatable if this is a niche at all. If your competeion is in china, you will never ever be able to beat those prices since I know because I had over 10 suppliers in china and hong kong and I can tell you know if they are selling something at £5.00 buyout, the likelihood is they paid around £0.10 for it. Even if you was to find a supplier in china and say you purchased the same item at 0.15 then the weight of these items add up and well the time you got them to your own country postage and if your unlucky custom charges means you paid around 0.50 for the item. But this is not to say your competion is in china, moving on.

    Legal Methods

    Keywords
    Make lots of Ebay accounts and flood ebay with multiple listings under different accounts using different keywords within the title of your product.
    For example a Sony Ericsson Mobile T715 is also know as i715. You could list some like Sony Ericsson Mobile Phone T715 i715 ensuring you have max hits if people are varying there search, the longer the title the easier it becomes. Since you have not provided the niche its hard for me to assist fully but say you have a soft clothe pouch for the T715

    Multiple Listings like
    Soft Clothe Pouch Sony Ericsson Mobile Phone T715 i715
    Soft Clothe Case Sony Ericsson Mobile Phone T715 i715
    Soft Clothe Enclosure Sony Ericsson Phone T715 i715
    Carrying Case Sony Ericsson Mobile Phone T715 i715

    Many people assume that typing Case for t715 with display everything, this will only search the titles and if your title doesnt include "CASE" your item will not be displayed. Not many people will sort by type using the left side options.

    Design
    The design of the page should be better than your rival, better pictures, more clean, and look way more professional. you should aim for top seller this not only offers discounts but people will put more trust in your items.

    Feedback
    Since your unable to beat them in the prices your feedback needs to be better than those, no one will buy from you if your feedback is lower than someone who is cheaper!

    Topseller
    This is what ever seller should aim for on eBay, while its not essential it helps lots. Some people generally more wise will only buy from top sellers from past experiences from sellers. If you want topseller be prepared to be frustrated as remember the customer is always right when really most of the times they are wrong :p

    eBay Best Match
    By default ebay lists items by best match, if you want to be listed at the top of each search then you need to out sell the amount of products of your rival.

    GTC
    This is the most important factor on eBay if your item is a buy it now, many people will think relisting it once expired is ok... Well frankly its not. Allowing your item to expire will make it lose all weight in google search, ebay search etc etc. It's important you never allow your item to expire any other way apart from GTC method which records how many sold and keeps the url the same on going.

    Adwords
    Since google scans ebay every second of the day your content and title should be good for google since many customers will click the shop options on google and changes are if its a niche like you say then you will be listed here, you should use adwords to find out what people are searching for so you can get max hits.

    Semi ilegal but more of a trick
    I told you about GTC and the importance of never letting an item expire, lets say you run out of stock ya? most people will just end the listing! AGAIN NEVER DO THIS!!!! Rather than ending the listing, simple push the price up of the item to a stupid amount ensuring no one buys it. This will keep your listing active, and retain the weight on google and ebay.

    ilegal methods, many many many many exist I aint going to tell you any of those as not only is dishonest you are actually effecting someones ability to make a living. Blackhat is not about putting people out on the street.
     
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  13. Victoria Seo

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    Actually it is the case and the competitor is from China, that's why prices are too low
     
  14. Victoria Seo

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    If there is no like-minded persons here (though its strange, because there were many people here advising to hack rival's site for money) than I'll ask another question - is there a way to create fake ebay accounts and what do you use if any?
     
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    find out whether his pictures are copyrighted, find out whether he copied some parts of his description from other guys. If yes, report him to ebay. When i sold rapidshare accounts, i had some competitors who copied parts of my description. I reported them and 1 day later the listing was removed.
     
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    buy any of his item and open a dispute case :D
     
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    Choose a different product, that sells better?
     
  18. courier

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    I hope he bleeds your friend out slow. Do business like a man.
     
  19. IGotta

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    Negative feedback goes a long way. Nowadays with all the seller rating b/s, it is very easy to get your competition's listings down to page 32 lol. If they are persistently receiving negatives then their listings won't even show up.

    You should of already had a few sleeper accounts for occasions such as these. Looking to create Bay accounts and then leaving negs, doesn't always work out. Newly created accounts and negative feedback, it's kind of obvious.

    I used to sell certain digital items way back when, after a while someone decided they wanted a slice of mah pie. They listed items half the price of mine.

    One nice thing was I was already doing it for a while, so my listing showed up before his and I had many feedback on this particular item. So people would usually choose my listing. Still, I was losing competition. You want to try and scare them off. Nothing illegal or life threatening, just paranoid and not wanting to worry something that'll make them quit. It is pretty easy to find out personal info on someone, especially someones Bay account. Usually they post the zip and town in the listing. When they send messages or their homepages sometimes have their names. Even their user name can hit some results doing a search. A pretend item buy will get their address or something you can work with using the big G.

    Write up some b/s professional looking cease and desist letters, negative feedback the shit out of his account. But not stupidly or one right after the other(different ips of course). Write a review or start a blog or forum post about how he scammed, or sells used items as new blah blah blah.

    If they search his screen name up online and it also has negative reviews on other sites about him. (Not all trash talking or sob stories) Just plain bad business techiniques. They are less likely to go to him and to look somewhere else.

    Also, people usually look at more than one listing. If you offer incentives, extra accessories, even a 5% off coupon next purchase. Something that catches their eye and makes the people more likely to go with you. Or at least say: "Hey this guy seems more professional, or knows what he's doing."

    I don't know, you are probably looking for something else. The question is hw much of a risk do you want to take?

    Here is some usefull information from a wise member of the BH community:

     
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  20. fuserleer

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    going back to the whole morals thing, there's a life mantra that I live by religiously when it comes to "black", dishonest, scammy or shady tactics (whether its SEO, business, personal etc) and its as follows.

    NEVER perform any of the above on any party that is your lesser or equal. Only, perform on:
    a. larger parties that can afford it
    b. larger parties that deserve it
    c. larger parties that that fill both
    d. lesser or equals that have wronged you.