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Does anyone think BlackHatWorld needs some reputation Management?

Discussion in 'Online Reputation Management (ORM)' started by Repair Reputation, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. Repair Reputation

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    I joined the site two days ago as a business partner suggested it is a good resource for information. I tried to participate in a few threads - simply giving away free information about reputation management. After spending 15 minutes (and yes time is money) responding to a person's questions I get a response that says I have violated the terms of posting. But if "I made a donation" it could help get my postings approved easier. A 'donation' or is this extortion? Either way, the site has some really use fool tools and intelligent people. I know I am new and I hope I am not stepping out of bounds here, but give me a break!
     
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    Do you know what the term "BlackHat" means?

    But regardless, I'm pretty sure you'll want to start pushing your "services" sooner or later, just based off of your username - meaning you are here to sell more so then participate and become a respected member of the community. Regardless the name of the forum should tell you that you are stepping into a world that will have questionable characters, for god sakes there one guy running around here with a blog called MoneyOverEthics dot com, and more so questionable ways of generating dollars - but that also doesn't mean there aren't people here with ethics - so just don't be surprised at the topics - and keep the selling of your service to the BST section and other areas where self-promotion is allowed.

    If your smart, you'll realize the gold mine of opportunity you've landed in...
     
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    I heard Charles Floate might need some.
     
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    Charlie had no reputation to fix in the first place.
     
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    I am a no nonsense person so I will address your statements factually. At this point, I recognize that I am a guest in your home - I joined this community 2 days ago and I imagine some of you have been on here for years. A colleague that I met ironically on linkedin told me about the site and that it had just launched a forum related to ORM. I always like a bit of a friendly argument so I will be straight forward and I will not back down.

    First off, I find it ironic that someone on this thread would assume that I am here to self promote more than contribute when this person has a banner underneath your profile because apparently you have made that donation that I am talking about. Time will tell if I am here to just promote my product or join in a useful dialogue. I am opinionated, I do like to get down and dirty, I do not back away from my ideas and I do believe I have something to contribute and plenty to learn. At the end of the day, I am here to make money, I think that is why we are all here. Some to educate themselves some to sell products, either way it is away to grow out your business through ORM.

    That being said, my primary intent in joining this community is to build relationships with 'influencers' within the ORM community. In that sense yes it is self serving. My experience is it is the best way to help grow out my business by using content marketing techniques and helping establish myself as a qualified and useful member of a small community. I think I have something to share and I think I can learn alot from you. I try to be informative and share my ideas and experience with others because I can help people and it helps me build a stronger reputation and build great relationships within communities that you can find better relationships. It is also why I try and write unique and useful blogs. I find that many people with a strong following will help sell my vision through backlinks and vice versa - I help you, you help me. I try and educate others to my thoughts because it is my belief that when you become useful you build a larger audience. I want to meet you, I want to build a dialogue with you because you are the people that have access to the people who are most likely going to buy my product. NO BS. And some of you are going to potentially hire me because you believe that I have some knowledge within the world of ORM. Of course, I think I have a lot to give, but I know I still have a lot to learn. We are in a market that did not exist 5 years ago - its the wild west and I intend to get my land.

    In my experience the relationships I have built on sites like Quora and linkedin have been monumentally important in growing out my business. I spend a great deal of time within social media communities and have been fortunate enough to hopefully have built a decent reputation. Yes, I have made some money through this strategy, but I am not here to create a bunch of backlinks that have no context. I find that if anything google sees it and they kick you in the balls. I am here to make money and the best way to do it is by building lasting and strong relationships with influential people.

    The specific post I wrote that I could not get approved, I was very detail oriented in looking over the community guidelines - I expect that others do abuse them - I looked through the guidelines and must have edited up my post 3 or 4 times. I had no backlinks, I was not selling a product in anyway. In fact, I was not even selling myself in my mind all I was doing was trying to actually give some useful information in order to establish my credibility attempting to walk in your home and hopefully let you know that I can help as much as you help me.

    The fact of the matter is (and I wish I could republish it) I do not believe that I in anyway was trying to link juice or self promote. When not getting the statement approved above the 'community standards' was a statement that said something like 'if you donate you will have a better chance of getting approval'. I dont know the exact wording, but that is what it sounded like it said. Does anyone else know what I am talking about?

    So, perhaps blackhat is just that 'blackhat', but establishing community guidelines and asking for donations to get approval in my mind does create a potential reputation management issue. I understand the need to make money. I am here to do the same, but I can not build relationships by trying bully others around. ORM was a 1.2 BILLION dollar industry last year, heck yeah I wanna fish in that pond, but I think it would be bad business for a reputation consultant to build a bad reputation. It is just not good for business.
     
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  7. BHopkins

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    New members have a much stricter set of guidelines because many new members have one post full of self promotion.

    If you'd like, you can email your post to me and I'll look it over. There is probably something in it that tripped the filter. After 15 posts you'll be able to send PM's. If you'd like my email, let me know and I'll send it over. You won't be able to reply until you have 15 posts obviously. You can also add me on skype or just Google me, I'm easy to find (Brandon Hopkins).
     
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    I would love it!!!
     
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    First of all, welcome to Black Hat World! Since your post is a bit lengthy, I'll respond to it in sections.

    Green
    : Many of the senior members here often accuse new members of self-promotion because this frequently happens here on Black Hat World (whether it's unintentional or intentional is irrelevant; it often seems deliberate). I'm not accusing you of self-promotion, although I am telling you this so that you know what to expect as you build your reputation and create relationships here.

    Red: In addition to what I said above, while you may have built a reputation on Quora and Linkedin, you'll discover that you may need to rebuild a new reputation on Black Hat World. While I understand that a new member to Black Hat World is not always someone who is new to Internet marketing (I've viewed a few of your profiles on Linkedin, Quora, and a Princeton EDU database and you seem to have genuine interests to me), not everyone else will be as understanding.

    Yellow: There are some rules on Black Hat World that are not clearly stated in the TOS (I like to refer to these as "community rules"). For example, there is a rule on here against private mentoring, although searching the TOS will not yield any results. I know this might sound absurd, although it's best to follow these "community rules" to avoid any trouble.

    There's also the issue with you giving advice while you're still new to the forum. This all goes back to building a reputation on Black Hat World. The forum members here often expect new members to ask questions, build a reputation, and then give advice. Doing this in any other order will result in members questioning the veracity of your posts. Again, I know that a new Black Hat World member is not always new to their field, but others may not know this.

    Orange: I'm not sure who told you that donating will increase your chance's of getting approved (or what the original post was), but there are some sections of Black Hat World where you are required to donate before posting in those sections (BST threads are one example).
     
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    I know that it will be important to build a reputation that is separate from Quora and Linkedin. I said in my email that this is your home and I am just visiting. I do though stand behind my statement that when I tried to post I was directed to donate in order to make it easier to get approval for my content. Now Brandon was nice enough to explain to me why my post may have been rejected. It may have been that I put a backlink for brandyourself - that would prevent me from being able to post or the word asset - lets see.
     
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    So it must have been the link for brandyourself that triggered a statement - this statement says:


    1. You are trying to post a message that has triggered our moderation system. Double check our rules to make sure you are posting something that is appropriate. We don't tolerate any selling, posting contact information, urls, swearing, giving thanks ect... Please understand this is to protect our community from spammers. Once you have been a member of BHW for a longer period of time this limit will be removed. Thank you!If you would like to remove this limit faster consider donating here
     
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    Therefore, from a reputation management perspective I ask the question again - does the phrase "If you would like to remove this limit faster consider donating here" potentially create a reputation management issue for blackhat? Perhaps I am wrong, but I felt it might be an interesting issue to explore
     
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    Being a high-traffic forum and (imho) the best by far in its niche, we have an anti-spam system for new accounts whose functional details we don't publish for obvious reasons. That goes away after you've been an active member for a while. The forum is huge, I'm sure you'll be able to find some threads that are interested to you and can make small contributions until you're out of the "newbie" restrained status.
     
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    I don't see any real issue. It's an option. Some people want to take that option because they want to advertise immediately and not really interested in the community aspect. Most simply go through the initial warm-up period, which is actually quite short. Let's not forget that the forum is free to join with tons of content in its free sections, which is already a big plus, given the trend of "pay to join".
     
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    The rest of your post just goes towards disproving this first sentence.
     
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    Maybe you should relax and slow down a bit, cowboy
     
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    I'd not kick the guest out of my home and from the nearest opening there is, but I'd do something else to show my displeasure if that new guest begins talking about how my home urgently needs a new paint while I am really happy as it really looks to me and all my friends and normal visitors to my home. lol, or whether it needs whatever else at all, just because the new guest(!) belongs to a paint shop and is in a selling whatever mood. On the contrary, I wouldn't mind a good advice -- not sounding like a fcng sales pitch, and more privately so and without others listening to something embarrasing to the owner of the house, me, and only after the new guest is not so new, and proves that he is really good in other social terms and after some time when he wins my trust in his wisdom. :)


    *edited* :)

    And lastly, don't judge the entire forum from a single comment, whether right or wrong, a simple member made to you somewhere on an unimportant thread...

    Btw, take that break, a long one if you must... you must, you see.... :D

    Or choose to be with us like everybody else. This is a real nice site btw for nice people. :)

    You can of course begin talking about what you excel in, but when you're new, get to make more friends than make members suspicious of why you are here. As someone says, go a bit slow, there is all the time that we all can make use of for our good. Let's make the time more useful to everyone else in general first. It helps to build a real good and real long-lasting positive reputation for all to take notice of. Let's begi by repairing all the damage first and then build a solid foundation over it to work from, dude! lol


    Of course, in time you can have the link to post, if the forum rules permit it, i.e. Goodluck to you and to your company.


     
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