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Do 301 Redirects Pass Penalties Or Not?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by alvin.orrt, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. alvin.orrt

    alvin.orrt Regular Member

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    Do 301 Redirects Pass Penalties Or Not?

    Some people say a 301 will pass the penalty, some say it won't.
    In my mind, if it does pass a penalty, you could easily buy an expired penalized domain and redirect it to your competitor. So to keep the serps safe from negative seo, a 301 should not pass on the penalty. But that's just my own logic.

    What do you guys think (or know)? Any experiences with this (in 2015 - coz i have seen threads from 2012-2013 but they're no longer valid, a lot has changed since then)? I have checked a few threads here where people said 301's are good for churn and burn - but no one ever said anything about getting a penalty.
     
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    never test it on my own skin, but from reading in past few years almost everyone says that 301 pass everything including penalty.
     
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    Google would open a huge loophole if they didn't pass it on.

    In the same way you can build crap links and wreck competitor ratings.
     
  4. alvin.orrt

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    people talk a lot of crap and believe a lot of things... that's why i'm looking for answers from people who experienced such a penalty themselves (and singled it out to using the 301 redirects).
     
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    I 301 redirected a penalized domain to my money site for testing , it has been one month already and i dont see any penalties it is ranking much better. Too early to confirm though. Maybe it will be penalized in the next update.
     
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    301 redirect passes link penalties. It's because you're forwarding PR.

    It is, however, perfectly OK to say "I want to do over on my domain" and improve content on another one. In this case, you would 301 redirect pages. If the quality of content is better and you've made a better site, a 301 redirect wouldn't pass, let's say, Panda issues because you've now improved your site and redirected to a better quality page.
     
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    How sure are you ? Do you have any personal experiences ?
     
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    I've looked at thousands of sites, and I'm not exaggerating that number.
    I know things from an entirely different angle than anyone else at bhw.

    Anyway, yes, I am 100% sure. 301 redirect is a way to forward PR, so it does indeed redirect a penalty.
    But, again, it is perfectly OK to decide that you want to create a new domain or improve quality of your site. The proper way to do it would be to create your new site or your new pages and then 301 redirect the old pages. This would, of course, assume that you did indeed improve.

    One way to "fix" panda issues is to remove low quality pages or just improve them. You then 301 redirect the low quality page to the improved one to let Google know that they are related.

    What most people do is throw up a brand new site with the same content and then cry because Google didn't give them a better rank. It doesn't work like that. You've basically thrown up a duplicate site with the same content, so obviously you're results aren't going to be spectacular.
     
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    You're talking about panda issues, but what about penguin or manual penalties?
    And even more important, what if i buy an old domain with tons of links (a dropped domain, dropped because of a penalty of course) and i redirect it to another website, what will happen? the old and new site will have nothing in common, will have totally different content and all. What will happen then?
     
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    you are clearly focusing on the panda penalty and ignoring the other penalties and for a fact you would know the nature of the penalties is quite different from one another . Like in my case Domain A was penalized for Unnatural outbound links from my site and participating in link schemes So i redirected it to Site A which was like 2 year old with relevant niche and a few articles and from what i am seeing it has been quite a few weeks now and the rankings are grtting better with time and google has been ignoring the outbound link penalty since site A has outgoing links and it is being ignore when the domain was redirected to site B thus Algorithm can be manipulated in this case though i will still wait for the next update to confirm it .