Dispute: @Borito v. @The Clutch

Borito · Jan 15, 2023

The sales thread on BHW: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/7...7-surferseo-basic-7-canvapro-7-moz-7.1444683/

I bought an Adobe CC package on his website with access to all apps for 12 months. Unfortunately, I only had access to the apps once. It's the third time now that I can't access the apps I paid for. He is blaming his seller for this faulty account, but I bought it from him, not his seller. After I raised the issue again, he ignored me for days and is ignoring me once again.

I want my money back since I lost trust in this seller and he doesn't come up with solutions.

Proof that the business transaction began on BHW. A link to the conversation or post will suffice.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/7...7-surferseo-basic-7-canvapro-7-moz-7.1444683/
Eventually I got forwarded from his thread to his website, and purchased there:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230115131811/https://7dollar.shop/product/adobe-cc-all-apps/

Screenshot proof that you informed the other party of your intention to open a dispute against them 48 hours beforehand.

Screenshot proof that you tried every reasonable form of contact before opening a dispute thread.

A brief summary of your dispute with the accused (e.g., failure to deliver the product or service)

I bought an Adobe CC package on his website with access to all apps for 12 months. Unfortunately, I only had access to the apps once. It's the third time now that I can't access the apps I paid for. He is blaming his seller for this faulty account, but I bought it from him, not his seller. After I raised the issue again, he ignored me for days and is ignoring me once again.

What you need from the accused to consider this resolved. Examples include a refund or a replacement.

I want my money back since I lost trust in this seller and he doesn't come up with solutions.

Please provide as much supporting evidence as you can (e.g., proof that the product or service wasn't delivered, proof that it wasn't delivered as advertised, etc).

See attachment named: Screenshot 1, Screenshot 2, Screenshot 3, Screenshot 4, Screenshot 5

AlwaysAlan · Jan 26, 2023

Dispute Request Approved

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@The Clutch, you have 24 hours to respond to this disputes thread. If you do not respond within 24 hours or we note that you're engaging in any other activities on the forum rather than dealing with this dispute, the decision will be made in favour of the dispute starter and you will be permanently banned from Black Hat World. In the event that you're permanently banned from the forum, you may send in a support ticket using our support channel only once you've refunded and/or provided what the plaintiff has requested.

If your responses to this dispute do not remain prompt, your account will be banned.

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Borito · Jan 26, 2023

He is still ignoring me.

AlwaysAlan · Jan 27, 2023

@The Clutch last chance to respond.

AlwaysAlan · Jan 28, 2023

AlwaysAlan said:
@The Clutch last chance to respond.

Dispute Summary

The accused has been permanently banned from Black Hat World for failing to resolve this dispute.

The dispute thread will remain live and is now open to commentary as rule 4 is no longer enforced in this thread.

Thread Open For Commentary

ContentExpert · Jan 28, 2023

Sad result over such a small sum, hope he knows he can get his account back if he refunds you as that may, and hopefully will, be enough incentive for him to make this right, sorry for your loss here and I hope you recover what is owed in due time.

nohupt · Jan 28, 2023

ContentExpert said:
Sad result over such a small sum

to me, any sum is worth disputing over if you don't get what you paid for. scammers, and people who don't have their shit together, should be taken to task so that they don't continue to do this practice and hurt other community members.

SocialManager · Jan 28, 2023

I am curious about this issue as it relates to Section 10: Third-Party Products of the BHW Marketplace rules.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/the-black-hat-world-marketplace-rules.1295700/#post-13962692
"There are some third-party products members try to sell on the forum. In the case of these third-party, we'll require the seller to present an official reseller's license that can be verified with the entity to prove that the seller is authorised to distribute or resell these products."

Is this a service where the user would need to prove they are an official reseller? If not, why not?

Borito · Jan 28, 2023

nohupt said:
to me, any sum is worth disputing over if you don't get what you paid for. scammers, and people who don't have their shit together, should be taken to task so that they don't continue to do this practice and hurt other community membe

Exactly this.

paraztos · Jan 29, 2023

SocialManager said:
"There are some third-party products members try to sell on the forum. In the case of these third-party, we'll require the seller to present an official reseller's license that can be verified with the entity to prove that the seller is authorised to distribute or resell these products."

Guess not enforced at all, since lots of ppl selling trial/edu accounts and they 100% have no reseller's license.

awesomewebsites · Jan 29, 2023

The seller should have solved this. Cost for replacement would have costed him under $5 as per my experience in this field.

Why is the BST still left open?

sscaz · Jan 29, 2023

Borito said:
The sales thread on BHW: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/7dollar-shop-cheap-af-semrush-guru-7-jasper-ai-7-surferseo-basic-7-canvapro-7-moz-7.1444683/

I bought an Adobe CC package on his website with access to all apps for 12 months. Unfortunately, I only had access to the apps once. It's the third time now that I can't access the apps I paid for. He is blaming his seller for this faulty account, but I bought it from him, not his seller. After I raised the issue again, he ignored me for days and is ignoring me once again.

I want my money back since I lost trust in this seller and he doesn't come up with solutions.

Proof that the business transaction began on BHW. A link to the conversation or post will suffice.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/7dollar-shop-cheap-af-semrush-guru-7-jasper-ai-7-surferseo-basic-7-canvapro-7-moz-7.1444683/
Eventually I got forwarded from his thread to his website, and purchased there:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230115131811/https://7dollar.shop/product/adobe-cc-all-apps/

Screenshot proof that you informed the other party of your intention to open a dispute against them 48 hours beforehand.

View attachment 239459

Screenshot proof that you tried every reasonable form of contact before opening a dispute thread.

View attachment 239460

A brief summary of your dispute with the accused (e.g., failure to deliver the product or service)

I bought an Adobe CC package on his website with access to all apps for 12 months. Unfortunately, I only had access to the apps once. It's the third time now that I can't access the apps I paid for. He is blaming his seller for this faulty account, but I bought it from him, not his seller. After I raised the issue again, he ignored me for days and is ignoring me once again.

What you need from the accused to consider this resolved. Examples include a refund or a replacement.

I want my money back since I lost trust in this seller and he doesn't come up with solutions.

Please provide as much supporting evidence as you can (e.g., proof that the product or service wasn't delivered, proof that it wasn't delivered as advertised, etc).

See attachment named: Screenshot 1, Screenshot 2, Screenshot 3, Screenshot 4, Screenshot 5

You should have just downloaded cracked versions

seomaster5 · Jan 29, 2023

sscaz said:
You should have just downloaded cracked versions

And be infected with viruses.

sscaz · Jan 29, 2023

seomaster5 said:
And be infected with viruses.

there are safe sites to download cracked stuff from

Borito · Jan 29, 2023

sscaz said:
You should have just downloaded cracked versions

Not much cracked versions for OSX.

ContentExpert · Jan 29, 2023

Borito said:
Not much cracked versions for OSX.

Never install a cracked operating system, that is the one thing all should have a legit and paid version of.

MasterOfMasks · Jan 29, 2023

ContentExpert said:
Never install a cracked operating system, that is the one thing all should have a legit and paid version of.

ive been using cracked OS on laptops for years without trouble.

1tap · Jan 30, 2023

ContentExpert said:
Never install a cracked operating system, that is the one thing all should have a legit and paid version of.

I believe he is referring to a cracked copy of Adobe not a cracked version of OS

Borito · Jan 31, 2023

@AlanAlways the seller contacted me on Telegram and send me the money back.

Mr Positive · Jan 31, 2023

Borito said:
@AlanAlways the seller contacted me on Telegram and send me the money back.

View attachment 241142

It’s @AlwaysAlan he may decide what to do with the seller now.

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