Did we ruin the Internet?

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If this scenario unfolds, SEO experts, who have been successful in adapting content to rank well on Google, will need to pivot their strategies.

This is more of a philosophical question, therefore the answer should also be philosophical). I would be happy to hear an expert answer)
 
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Yes. SEO is such a crime, we are violating our overlord Google's ToS.
Let's give us seoers some jail time right
While Gen z ducks are out there stealing, robbing, being chaotic, cyber bullying or just being a public nuisance (or worse) is OK

Article was probably written by a Gen z duck
 
The article is in favour of those who play by made-up rules, as if there aren't people in any other industry who don't play by the rules. It's easy to scapegoat black hat SEOs as the archetypal villains of the internet, but the blame does not solely lie in black hat SEOs for "ruining the internet". There's a massive problem with companies, politicians, and even regular individuals spreading misinformation and setting up garbage webpages for their own agendas. This type of problem is prevalent online, in academia, in the medical industry; I don't think there's a single place this isn't prevalent.

The general public becoming aware of how bad Google results pages doesn't mean Google hasn't always had this problem. The general public is just beginning to see all of this for what it's always been because it's becoming more obvious. Anyone who's paid any attention to the internet will remember how much nonsense there was online in the late 90s and early 2000s. For example:
  • I remember it being a well-known rule not to go past the third page of any search engine because you'd get virus-infected pages posing as whatever you were looking for.
  • MySpace had a problem with people taking advantage of the HTML feature to inject scripts.
  • Porn would just come up for literally anything you searched for.
My point is, none of this is new and I wouldn't even say it's necessarily gotten worse, just more obvious to the average consumer.

As for the internet in general, it's either going to be controlled by Google for them to display whatever they want, or it's going to be spammed to death by individuals trying to make money. I've always fancied myself a revel who finds loopholes in rules and takes advantage of them for my own gains, so I know what I prefer.
 
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No, on several levels.:

1. Who's to say the internet is "ruined"? What's the frame of reference that determined the apotheosis of what the internet was? Who died and made them king?
2. On a literal level, the internet is going as strong as ever. It is no longer optional, but essential. Access to the internet is a human right as far as I'm concerned. Is that "ruined" in any sense of the word?
3. The internet is not a singular body, but a protocol. The internet in China is very different from the internet in the US, for example. There are ways to make them more similar, but you have walled gardens and you have the open web, you have the dark web and you have i2p and onionspace and web3. Which internet is getting ruined? Can it get ruined?
4. You don't need to use Google. I paid for Kagi as my main search engine. Yes, paid. Guess what, it works great, especially when Google results became shit. I can still use Google, but 99% of the time I don't need to. I use Google for other stuff - Google sheets is convenient, but not exclusively. Google got to where it is because it had a good product. Remember whe neveryone used Yahoo? Or Myspace? Same deal. Google is not the internet. Empires fall. You can use Bing, Baidu, DDG, Yandex if you want. Sometimes they even give out better results. In the end, t's a choice that you're making, and you are free to choose not to engage. Just as not voting is also a political act, not using a service is in itself an act of protest. Google haven't raided my house and put me in prison yet, so I don't think they're even what you need to worry about.
5. What you do need to worry about is the stupid government narrative that the internet needs to be more censored or controlled. Its implication is that we're all idiots that can't tell what's true and what isn't. Some people might, and some people are better at discerning the truth than others. But the government is hardly a neutral arbiter. Electioneering and governance are two separate and unrelated skills. All governments have agendas. Do you a man pushing 80 who vigorously fought the war on drugs to be in charge of what is true or not? Do you want a man who couldn't make money running a casino and doesn't now how wind (in the hurricane-nuking instance) or exchanging goods and services for cash (China does not owe us unless you think that if you go to Walmart and pay $5 for batteries, they owe you $5 and you keep the batteries). These are the people who think that the internet is ruined. These are also people who don't have a frame of reference and don't know the least bit of what they're talking about. At least in the US, there's a measure of protection by virtue of the 1st Amendment. Thankfully we wrote that down. In the UK, where whatever the commons pass is constitutional, well, not having checks and balances is extremely problematic. Just because you have elective kingship doesn't mean that the king is a good thing to have. It only gets worse from there.

We have an organic internet that, at least in places, is more or less at a point as close to what a consensus view of the internet as it can be, which is full of arguments and factions and do-gooders and criminals. That is also what society is like. It will change as culture changes and culture is never a static point. You may not like where it's going, but you can be the change you want see. Whether Gandhi said that or not, it remains true. It's certainly more helpful than the talking heads talking about stuff they have zero clue about.

edit: The Verge deleted a long critique I wrote about Taylor Lorez's book that purports to be a history of the internet but in fact covers a very small and very particular sliver of the internet. I cited my sources, I read the book, and if their mods can't handle a critique that refutes her view point by point that is backed by actual documented sources in the wayback machine, well, the only thing that separates a lot of their "reporting" from propaganda is that you don't need to read the Verge, but in an authoritarian state you can't avoid propaganda. I don't know Taylor Lorenz, but she's a published author and she made some interesting points in the book, and certainly does not need some techblog to white knight her. But even that isn't a new critique, people have been making this argument since at least 2001. Don't project your own insecurities to be universal and don't ride in helping someone who needs no help are basic rules that one should learn in life, and so, I give little credence to at least the moderation team on the Verge. There's much better stuff on Substack.
 
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How is it ruined OP.The internet is a free market you have the right ply your trade just like the real world or give free stuff.
 
I don't think we ruined anything - internet will just adapt, as any organism of such a scale does.

If it were so easy to 'ruin', it wasn't anything special in the first place.
 
As the public begins to believe Google isn’t as useful anymore, what happens to the cottage industry of search engine optimization experts who struck content oil and smeared it all over the web? Well, they find a new way to get rich and keep the party going.

Thoughts?

https://www.theverge.com/features/23931789/seo-search-engine-optimization-experts-google-results
not me man I tried saving the internet once in around 2020 had a bot on reddit that would comment under onlyfans model's post when they posted in some normal subreddit where people just hung around. my bots comment said something like "stay strong Kings she got the nudy nudy link in her bio don't visit" or something like "begone, thot etc etc" my dumb ass probably brought them more traffic but anyway it was fun setting it up
 
not me man I tried saving the internet once in around 2020 had a bot on reddit that would comment under onlyfans model's post when they posted in some normal subreddit where people just hung around. my bots comment said something like "stay strong Kings she got the nudy nudy link in her bio don't visit" or something like "begone, thot etc etc" my dumb ass probably brought them more traffic but anyway it was fun setting it up
so you made a bot that didnt make you money, just to troll and try to avoid others making money? pathetic... nothing to be proud of. you didn't save the internet, you just wasted your time and been a pain in the ass for others.
 
so you made a bot that didnt make you money, just to troll and try to avoid others making money? pathetic... nothing to be proud of. you didn't save the internet, you just wasted your time and been a pain in the ass for others.
can't disagree with you but not everything is about making money it was for the fun and the thrill of it if I would be able to pull it off it was one of my first project and I wouldn't call it time wasted ever in a million year and sure I was being a pain in someone's ass but so what and I never said I was proud of it nor am I ashamed of it and I never actually thought I was saving the internet I never even came up with that term until I was about to post the above comment and only did because it was matching the post sarcasm as you might say and I still make a shit lot of things that don't make me money because I like doing it and probably can find a lot of people that can relate
 
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