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Create WEB2.0 Structures Yourself - A Simple Method

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  1. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Creating Web 2.0 properties.


    Okay, you asked for it, you're going to get it.


    Creating Web 2.0 properties dirty and down way of doing it.


    Firstly, get yourself a list of do follow Web 2.0 sites. I'm not going to give any specific URLs here, because that's bad form, but if I do say check out ?Target Hut?first, it will tell you exactly which ones are worth putting your content onto. Unfortunately it doesn't detail whether they do follow or no follow, and a couple of searches through Google should sort that out.


    While we're on the subject of this, don't be afraid of the odd no follow the link. But do follow are a lot better. It's interesting that many sites change their policy on link following from time to time. If Or you are a newcomer, and have a low maintenance blog or page, many sites will automatically class all of your links as no follow.


    I've noticed on sites like Squidoo and others, that link start as no follow, but if you are a good little boy, some may well become do follow in time. There's no science to it unfortunately, you'll just have to work this out for yourself, and it changes all the time.


    Secondly, you're going to need content. I like to create a six spoke structure to the main URL of whatever site on promoting as my first port of call. This will have two pieces of unique written content and a video. For video, I use a site called Animoto,(free) it lets you upload your own still pictures and it turns them into a snazzy video. You can either cheat and use a product like Cam studio (free) to record what it makes, or for five dollars a month you can become a member and make some quite long and complex videos yourself. Making a video in Animoto, once you have the still pictures is a 10 minute job. You can edit out the animoto logo with Windows movie maker (free), and add your own titles if you want.


    The written work I write using Dragon Naturally Speaking 10 ($30), and a decent USB microphone. The speech to text program cost about $30, and it makes that back for me every single day without fail. It is one of the best investments I've ever made.


    I suggest writing completely unique content for your hubs, that means writing 12 pieces to go with your video. How long should that take? Well with speech to text it would take me about 40 minutes.


    Next, comes the signing process to your Web 2.0 sites. They are all different, and some are quite awkward. Over time you will develop your favourite sites. It is best to perm about six sites from 10 or 12, so you never hitting the exact same set of sites with each link structure.


    Over time, once you learn how this works, you will be prepared to make this signup process as quick and as painless as possible. Here are the things I use and how I prepare.


    Firstly, I have a brand-new e-mail address is ready, not a Gmail or a Yahoo mail, as many sites reject these immediately as spam. (Yeah, Google rejected as spam oh the irony) if you have your own sites and host, it's easy enough to use your own e-mail addresses which you create.


    Top tip, once a e-mail address has done its job, you can always delete it. I tend to delete any e-mail address over three months old and then can replace it with a new one.


    Okay I also recommend having a form filling bot like a Robo form ,(free). The free version of this does a decent job of making form filling in quite quick, for instance I can sign up to a new WordPress.com account in about 35 seconds, that's actually quicker than SE nuke or magic submitter.


    Another great tool is a programmable keyboard, ($12-$80) use the programmable function keys to put in stuff like your name or password e-mail address etc etc then just press the buttons in sequence, you can even include the tab to space down to the next item. I have a system where I always know my name is F1, my e-mail address is F2, etc etc.


    Then, pop into your e-mail client and click the links to confirm the signup status with these Web 2.0 sites.


    The first time you do all this, it may take you well over an hour. However, I've got to the stage now where I am here in about 10 or 12 minutes, again, that's pretty competitive even when rated alongside automated Web 2.0 is creation and submission tools.


    Next, pop back into the sites you've created. Of course you have bookmarked your pages, and made a note of the URLs that you have created haven't you?


    Fill in the profiles. To my mind the crappy incomplete profiles that Web 2.0 creation software makes must leave a rather large footprint for the anti spam bots to find.


    No photograph, no user information, the standard background theme used every time, to me this stands out like a sore thumb. Filling in a complete profile (again with a programmable keyboard or simply cutting and pasting preprepared information) for six accounts will probably take you 12 to 15 minutes. But in the long run will save you having to remake some of those accounts when they are deleted as spam.


    Okay, earlier on I mention having to written pieces of work, one is the bedrock, the other is the banker. Sorry for the crappy phrasing. The bedrock piece is about alter ego or who or whatever, doing, your interests.
    I tend to make it general narrative waffle. Just speaking into the microphone about some fictional person and the sort of dumb stuff they get up to on a day-to-day basis until I have three or 400 words. That takes maybe two minutes to write. (remember to include the keyword at 2-2.5% density and any associated words at 1-1.5% density)


    You post the six bedrock pieces in the six sites. Then, that's it for day one. No links. Important!
    No Links!


    Three days later, I logged back in and put in the ?banker? piece, and the video. The banker piece has three links in it. Two are self-serving (one to my main URL and want to and in a page of my website) and a third is to a general authority site in the field. You get away with three links as you have a multiple post piece


    If you are posting to Squidoo or similar, then it's just a banker piece. You need to take a little more care over it, but you only need one piece. Put the video on at the same time, and you're done


    The video must have text or a link to your main site in it. I know you Tube do not allow external linking, so make sure your main URL is prominently displayed in the video, have it up on screen for 10-12 seconds at the end of the video for people to catch it.


    Okay, you've created a six spoke hub. Overall, once you are practised at this the actual account creation and posting (bearing in mind you are making multiple posts) will probably come in at about an hour may be a little more for the whole lot.


    Of course, you have to create the content, but you have to create the content whether you use an automated Web 2.0 tool or not..


    Here's the rub, this six spoke hub will be a complete cocking waste of time. You will not get much traffic from it at all..... until..... you power it up.


    Get some links, some bookmarks, or whatever you can to get the hub noticed. Articles pointing to your hub sites,Xrumer blasts, social bookmarking, even the old favourite scrape box spamming.


    Preferably do all of these things and a few more. And point them at your hub sites.


    Good quality bookmarks and articles on high PR sites can point directly to your main pages,for those of you not afraid of writing a little, tools like ?build my rank? are also great to point to your main pages as well as the hub.


    Getting thousands of different back links is where the real effort comes in. I made the mistake early in my Internet marketing career are falling for all the flashy lights and jingly bells of automated Web 2.0 creation software. Yes of course it has its place. But it does the easy stuff, and leaves you to do the hard stuff. A WordPress blog or a wiki page on its own will provide next to no linking juice for your site. Bookmark it and link it spam it and basically hammer it, then it will prove its worth.


    I made a post yesterday about Xrumer. Saying that it has its place. And it certainly does.


    As far as back links go nothing will create more faster. And contrary to popular belief, they aren't bad or poor back links, however the huge downside is the majority of them will be deleted. If you can retain 30% of them for six months you are doing quite well.


    I suppose the point here is, decide whether you are technically proficient enough to host your own Xrumer setup, or just pay a service 100 bucks a month to supply you with tens of thousands of links.


    Other services will also help, and sick submitter does more or less the same as Xrumer, but much slower. I have not found it unstable, but others have had problems with it. Both tools are all about profile creation really. Although the new version of Xrumer claims it will do a lot more. (That probably means it will be even more complex)


    Don't underestimate the power of social bookmarking to get your good links found. When you create a Web 2.0 structure bookmarking it multiple times will get it found, it's only a temporary thing, but once it's indexed you can press on. After all, time is money.


    I hope you find this post at least a little useful, there are some sites here and tools that aren't normally spoken about in the black hat forums, and remember folks when it comes to Internet marketing tools



    Scritty
     
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  2. peter73

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    Nice. This is what people should read first if they wanna go down this route of link building method. Very helpful.
     
  3. Scritty

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    It's a reaction to all the posts and discussion about the "glamour" tools.
    I like the idea of having WEB2.0 sites made automatically but.

    a) Not one tool has made them properly (with full profiles to help disguise the self promotional nature of the tool)

    b) They are expensive. - If I charge my time at $20 an hour, (minimum) then it's touch and go if I get value from these tools. I make 9 or 10 link rings a month at 30 minutes a time. That's $90-$100 dollar value for a $130 dollar tool.

    c) The extras these tools come with are (frankly) shit. The keyword tool, article marketing, RSS, Bookmarking,Video submission and even profile making sections of Nuke - even when it was actually bloody working properly (something It has failed to do to an acceptable level for some months now) are all pretty crap - stand alone, one off cost solutions are available that are no only cheaper in the mid term - but do the job a hell of a lot better (A HELL of a lot better - if you bother to see how Nuke's keyword tool works out whther to go for a site or not you'll realize it's just ever so slightly shuffling the data straight out of Googles tool and expressing the result in words rather than number or diagrams. AN idiot could write a better tool in Excel or VBA in 30 minutes)

    People are then left with these shoddily constructed WEB2.0 structures, and many then sit back and wonder when the traffic is going to pour in.

    In most cases it's never going to come - bacause the REAL hard work is getting gazillions of links to these structures and dozens more good quality ones to their money sites.

    This is where the attention needs to be for most people.

    But that's not as much fun as coming back to your desk and seeing some software has "created" a few websites for you. There is no immediate "wow" factor in paying someone for 200 backlinks or a Xrumer blast or whatever. But at the end of the day, creating WEB2.0 structures and doing just about everything these "total solution" packages do is a piece of piss and can be done low budget and quick.

    I realize most don't want to hear this, and want the flashy toys with fancy names and loadsa advertising,but this post was just for the newcomers who are contemplating where best to put their resources.

    If you are time rich and cash poor (as probably most IM newcomers are) Then learn to make these structures yourself - it's quick and easy.

    Spend you cash on quality links to power your network instead.

    Scritty
     
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  4. birdiebob

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    wowo!! thanks for the info and the time savings...one question. how do I get my youtube video to show on page one serps in google? I have sites on page one and places, but the associated video doesnt show up
    any advice would be appreciated!!
    thanks
     
  5. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Ok, well I don't actually try and get my vids onto page 1 - but sometimes it just happens.

    There are factors- the main one being the number of views/comments in the past 72 hours (pretty vertain 72 hours is the magic figure) and of course someone searching for an exact match within the title of the vid.

    THing is it's transient. No video (even those inflated by bots to 2-3 billion vids as a couple of Lady Ga GA Videos have) lasts longer on page one than a few days.

    It's handy - but not brilliant (the lack of direct linking from Youtube also is a pain - so make sure your URL has a good amount of screen exposure in your video)

    The main point of the video is to add an audiovisual element to the other web2.0 properties you make.

    Making 5 unique videos in Animoto takes about 5 minutes each (there is a delay as it puts it together- but you can be getting on with other stuff while this is happening)

    IMO it's worth the $5 a month to join up and get some control if you are serious about video marketing.

    Remember your free Tubmogul account as well - and now there are alternatives to Tubemogul if you look.

    Very easy to use and 100% free

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    Very useful post there Scritty.

    Well, I never use those automated tools myself.

    I just believe that natural human behavior still the best and no bots can defeat it.
    Well, it takes time but it last long and more quality.

    Just like the handmade car compare to factory made.

    Btw, I have questions.

    So you're saying WordPress.com is useless junk to work with? Or I am miss understood.

    One more thing, how if I have a blog A.

    I mean to promote blog A.

    How if I copy the post into all of those web 2.0 website and link back only sometimes let say after 2-3 post without links.

    Will this work?

    Or you have any other suggestion?
     
  8. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Yeah - A neat little structure. I would use a hell of a lot more sites than this though (notice only 3 web2.0 sites rotated and only a couple of article sites)

    AMR posts to almost 300 sites of PR2 or greater (20+ PR4 or greater)

    I use something called SLS and then bookmark demon to bookmark each published article about 50 times and backlink each article between 300 and 400 times. All one off payment stuff, but that means potentially one decent article might get me 300 PR2 or higher links .

    NOTE: you will NEVER get 100% though. 40% is average, but 80 links of PR2 or greater that STICK for one article is pretty good.

    But like the rest of the post said - it's not about getting these stgructures up - it's about giving them massive support.

    Most of my articles on PR5 or greater sites have been bookmarked many hundreds of times (Digg, Reddit, Delicious, Stumbleupon) and have both SLS and DFB pumping more links in.

    I have articles from 2004 on page one of Google for some pretty competitive phrases - they are their because they were bookmarked and linked the hell out of - in turn this raised the number of times they were visitied - which mande them even better. Before you know it people are bookmarking or linking your articles for you.

    But sticking out one "wet lettuce" piece of written work unsupported is not going to get you very far.

    BMDemon or similar with 100+ accounts on all the major BM sites is a great way to get notices, and a paid backlinking strategy like SLS or DFB will really bolster the results.

    Same applies to WE2.0 stuff. Squiddo and Hubpages are generally nofollow (with both you CAN get some ********, but by default they are nofollow)

    They also remove hubs and lenses that they consider supported by too many profile links inbound (spam)

    Yes, they have great PR, but they fail to transfer this to your landing page. As landing pages themselves they are great, put as conduits for passing on juice they pretty much suck.

    Great diagram though - the principle is exactly right - just make it many times bigger minimum. 200 article sites not 4, multiple web2.0 structures with 6-8 nodes in each, each targetting a different page and keyword in your money site. FAR more bookmarking - think in terms of many hundreds. MAssive backlinking to support it. Again DFB spreading 1000 links a day between the main 10 nodes for a fortnight. (100 links per day)

    Will you get sandboxed?

    Probably not.

    Will Google take you out of the pack for a week or two to check your site is legit? (which of course it will be)

    Yeah, almost definitely.

    And when you come back you will have a powerhouse site.
    If you can't afford to wait, then you shouldn't be doing IM in the first place.

    Making these sites and submitting to hundreds of article directories is really easy
    Make web2.0 Sites by hand, use AMR, MAS or the new Edwin product. AMR now pokes out to almost 1800 sites, and gives you a link report for you to juice up at the backend.

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  9. sammy12

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    Thanks Scritty, great information and advice! If you wouldnt mind, what is AMR and MAS?
     
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    Without a doubt AMR is better at the moment. I will be keeping an eye on Edwinsoft's new article tool though. He has a track record of performance and support with BMDemon.

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    with so many program these days, how can a newbie know which one is good to use first?
     
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    Here's another image that will aid in understanding Scritty's pprocess:

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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Wordpress.com is great - I use it in 90% of structures.

    In most blog style WEB2.0 sites the latest post is the first shown on the page (by default, or by setting) this is where you want your links to be.

    The first post is "pushed2 down the page.

    Of course the first post should be relavent and optimized, but I never link first post.
    Second visit and the site has two posts and a video.

    What's more, you are better off adding to an existing web2.0 site than adding a new one to compete for the same word on the same domain.
    Wordpress.com likes multi post sites, as does Live journal, blogger and all the rest.

    Another reason why most tools fail.

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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Ouch - talk about piggy backing.

    Seriously though, that's a decent diagram.
    Chaotic enough to be unique, and busy enough to add power.

    Choice of sites, quality of content, density and placement of links.
    They all play a part.

    And the game changes all the time :)

    Scritty
     
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    Nice method, and I love the idea about the keyboard shortcuts. I have them here and have not been using them - DOH!
     
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    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    One button press to fill in a whole standard blog "log in"

    Name, email, URL etc. Just remember to program in the "TAB" commands to jump down to the next box.

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    Great post Scritty

    What's SLS by the way?

    I was doing something very similar last week, with the addition of using ping.fm so that I can feed in an RSS feed and it will automatically add content to all the sites

    I've tried all the Web 2.0 auto-tools, but agree that they all just "skim the surface". When you build by hand it's amazing how many opportunities you find to drop an extra link somewhere, or hook up one of your RSS feeds...
     
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    SLS is a backlinking system It's not good enough really to use as primary site links, and the links do fade over time, but for backlinking articles and web2.0 structures it's very good.It's linking on a private network using the designers own linking tool, and there aren't that many members (which is good)

    There are other similar offers around. You pay your maoney and take your choice.

    Together with a multiple bookmarking campaign, it's all that's needed to get most articles/web2.0 sites, indexed and alive, adding link power to your main URL.

    It's quite expensive though ($265 for a years subs or $65 a month) If you use it a lot though it is well worth it.

    Again, it's all about getting a massive number of links to boost your "good" links.

    Good links are

    Web2.0
    Articles on high PR sites
    Reciprocal webmaster links
    Links you "sneak" onto other sites (commenting etc)

    You need to get the URL's these good links are on lit up by hitting them with a ton of lower level stuff, RSS feeds, bookmarking and all the rest.



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    cool scritty - I've been thinking of ditching SEPuke for a while now, just like to know any other of your most recommended stand alone replacements?
     
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    Thank you for great post and think i will change my seo style...some question
    1. In all web 2.0 sites you have new content or spin one ?
    2. In all article site you submit same article or spin it ?

    - I used Senuke for 1 month but now it have too many bugs and USD 127 per month is too much....better BMD, AMR, best spinner and manual work...some time when need then backlink pack...:)

    thanks