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Create own High TF / DA / PR links

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by codePerformance, Apr 15, 2017.

  1. codePerformance

    codePerformance Newbie

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    Hello,
    as all SEOs at these days, I'm struggling hard with low Trust Flow (by majestic.com) values on my money sites (20-25%).
    Some years ago it was possible to increase MOZ Domain Authority with a good designed Multi-Tier Link building strategy.
    Like:
    Great content on Tier 1 with low backlinks
    Not so great content on Tier 2 with more backlinks
    Spam content on Tier 3 with the most backlinks

    When it was done right it was possible to get DA values between 30-50%. Unfortunately DA is not really related to the SERPs any more. TF is more accurate but herder/impossible to increase?

    Did anyone could increase the Trust Flow of the own money site by own created multi tiered links? And which values could be reached. I read somewhere that a TF of 30% is the maximum.

    Best regards
     
  2. marcuses

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    Link diversity builds TF
     
  3. patriotnews

    patriotnews Senior Member

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    Google cares NOTHING about 3rd party metrics, and they are a shit method to gauge serp position or Google love.
    If I block all non-serp crawlers from my PBN domains, I'll have TF 0, but be fine in the SERPs, while you could have a TF of 30 and be ranking below me. Guess who gets the traffic?

    I can manipulate my TF, DA, whatever to highest levels but not be ranking for shit.

    Don't care about 3rd party metrics unless you are trying to sell the domain to a gullible newb.
     
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  4. Willy_httt

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    Wow. So far, I thought it was important, now I know this. The information you provided is very helpful to me
     
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    Neither TF nor DA matter in SEO, you need good quality non spammy links thats all.
     
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  6. codePerformance

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    I think everyone here knows that TF / DA are 3rd party metrics which are NOT used by google. Google use their own "trust metrics". Nevertheless they can give a feeling how good a page might be ranked in the SERPs. I use TF / DA / PA only as terms to measure "trustworthiness". Some tests which I did last week shown that there is a clear correlation between a high Trust Flow (by majestic) and a high position in SERPs (as long a the Majestic Bots are not blocked by tools like Spiderspanker). If any of you guys want to test this as well, type in a phrase and test the 2 results of the top and the bottom of matches. Due majestic gives only 3 tests for non pay-members use this page: http://www.bulkwebtools.com/majestic-seo

    Back to topic, so what we know:
    - Link diversity (Links, from Blogs, Web 2.0, Profiles, Independent Domains, etc.)
    - Link Topic and Text Topic which is around should match
    - Do Follow 90%, No Follow 10%
    - Link position (As more a link is hidden, it is harder to get crawled)

    Sure they are some other opinions about rates, diversities etc. but these are not so important here. The main question is HOW can trust be generated by a multi tier link-network!
    The usual way is:
    Spammy Links -> Tier 2 -> Contextual links in spun content -> Tier 1 -> Contextual links in good content -> Money Site

    Due to the inheritance rules* of trust flow (by majestic) this strategy would fail due spammy links cannot inherit any trust to the Tier 2.
    So the Tier2 would be unable to inherit any trust flow to Tier 1 and so on. You see the problem right?

    As long we have NO link which can inherit any trust we would stay on Trust 0 for all times, or not?


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    -Page A with 50 TF, Page B with 40 TF
    -Page A links to B
    -A has 45 and B has 45 now


    P.S. Sure I know that "Get good PR/DA/TF links" works but these links are a LIMITED resource. That's why it is so important to create these kind of links myself.
     
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  7. Tosmekop

    Tosmekop Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    TF and DA mean nothing to G/Y/B. They are 3rd party metrics that hold about as much weight as a hypothesis. TF and DA didn't save people from Fred.
     
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    Nice Info !!

    Thanks
     
  9. codePerformance

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    Good morning what did I wrote some days ago?
    Please read the posts a little more carefully.

    Back to topic:
    My analysis has shown that it is NOT possible to create trust by great content as long nobody with a lot of trust links to your content with a do follow link. This is our problem here, PBN or SEO or not we are dependable of external trust sources.
    It would be better to create trust by an own link network (PBN, multi tier network etc.) so it would be not necessary to get trust from external.
     
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    I care less about Yahoo and Bing than they do about TF and DA, and that's saying something ;)
     
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    I did read the posts, carefully, but I don't think you have any idea about that of which you speak. After spending nearly a decade in this industry, I've come to realize that these metrics do NOT give an idea for how a site may be ranked in the SERPs. They are simply metrics that allow people to sell services and websites at higher rates to newbies. These metrics are far too easily manipulated for them to give any indication as to what Google/Yahoo/Bing feel about your website, and/or where it will rank. You not caring about Bing is your problem. You not caring about Yahoo is your problem. Both are massive traffic sources that should not be forgotten about. It's like saying you don't care about money, which makes no sense for someone trying to survive in the world of internet marketing. You say you've been testing for a week? Well some of us have been testing for years. Anyway... Good day to you.
     
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    "It is not possible to create trust by great content" ok, but it is possible to rank on Google, Bing, duckduckgo with content without links...
    You're using the word "trust" a lot, like you're trying to blur it across many meanings at once, which is fine, but is only a strategy for confusing newbs into buying your high priced, high TF websites...
    "Oh the trust(rank) of the site will be high. A highly trusted(linked) site which many trusted(authority) sites convey their trust(a link) upon, which allows us to soon gain trust(rank). Trust me(I'm lieing), so does $1,000 sound fair for the potential of the site?"
     
  13. codePerformance

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    How do you know that I'm NOT caring about Yahoo or Bing? My SERPs there are by far more better than in Google and I get about the double of my organic SE traffic from these two SEs. If I want to find something I use Bing for about 2 years because their results are simply better due they stick more to the given phrases. On Google I have to use quotations and minus signs (just like in the 90s) to sort out the ... I call them 'the chosen ones'. Large websites which are not relevant to my phrases but they seem to have the 'trust' of Google.
    That's the main reason for this threat here.

    In my personal opinion Google is not a search engine anymore. It's a marketing platform for paid traffic and a monopolist keeper for the 'chosen ones'.
    Anyway ... the history of technology told us, that it is not the question of 'who is the best' it is always the question of 'who is the first'. That's the reason why Google can hold more or less their market share (or not statcounter has released that Google has lost 9% of their market share in 2017, which is a great sign for all of us).