Cheap PBN links are useless

Now I wouldn't say Fuck all PBNs but I will say Fuck posts that cost less than 5 or have a DA less than 10

Posts that are made with high-quality content and have really nice stats will do better. Who could've guessed that if you buy spammy links, you get a warning hmmm

Here are some stats of what a Good PBN looks like
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janist said:
See above. Your own account with any of the big cloud hosting companies (DigitalOcean, Vultr, AWS, Atlantic etc.). Wordpress setup is rather easy (many tutorials out there) and the kicker: You don't share any of these with other sites or worse other PBNs (which is quite common for PBN hosts).
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Thanks. If I went with Digital Ocean, would I need multiple accounts to get a new IP for each site or just one account? Sorry I don't have any experience with cloud hosting.
 
You only need one account. You can add new droplets with the click of a button. It's extremely convenient.

You can easily host 150+ servers/droplets per account on DO, Vultr etc. Each on a unique IP that can host your site (or in this case the PBN)
 
janist said:
You only need one account. You can add new droplets with the click of a button. It's extremely convenient.

You can easily host 150+ servers/droplets per account on DO, Vultr etc. Each on a unique IP that can host your site (or in this case the PBN)
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Thank you. I'm checking out Digital Ocean right now.
 
Another reason why great PBNS can fail is client stupidity;


I've seen people buy links from good PBNs, demand the full URL as proof the work has been delivered.
Then because they've not hit number 1 from number 90 in 3 days, decide to blast 50k GSA links to the PBN, effectively fucking up the whole PBN site
 
MisterF said:
Another reason why great PBNS can fail is client stupidity;


I've seen people buy links from good PBNs, demand the full URL as proof the work has been delivered.
Then because they've not hit number 1 from number 90 in 3 days, decide to blast 50k GSA links to the PBN, effectively fucking up the whole PBN site
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Another good reason to avoid public networks.
 
MisterF said:
Another reason why great PBNS can fail is client stupidity;


I've seen people buy links from good PBNs, demand the full URL as proof the work has been delivered.
Then because they've not hit number 1 from number 90 in 3 days, decide to blast 50k GSA links to the PBN, effectively fucking up the whole PBN site
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correct. If you get a report with full links you should expect them not to be that good as other people will have the access to blast them with thier low quality links like a 2.0

With quality PBNs you can achieve great results
https://prnt.sc/q8d9sj
 
splishsplash said:
You're welcome.

Stick with PBNs. They rock beyond belief. Guest posts are nowhere near as effective. If you drop $5k/mo you'll rank, but with lower budgets they're just not effective.

You don't need as many pbns as you might think to rank. These cheap pbns are useless, so don't use them to measure the ranking ability. Not only do they get you penalized, but they don't rank you.

If you add 2-3 $50-$200 "private" pbns per month you'll grow. That's all it takes. Just be patient and make a 1 year plan for your site. If you've added 2-3 per month for a year, you'll have about 20-35 pbns pointing to your site, and 1 year of age.
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May I ask why's that? Guest post on high metrics sites give less juice than PBN's because the GP is moved to inner page eventually?
You can guest post on home pages as well if you do your research and filter those blogs out or i'm missing something here?
 
assaultclass said:
About 400 links
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No wonder you got sandboxed. Do you think 400 links to a new site looks natural? Even at 16 per week for 5 straight weeks isn't natural. You also never mentioned your anchor ratio. Most of those links should have been naked URL or branded. The Google algorithm is smart enough to see manual manipulation here. It wouldn't matter if they were $2 links or $200 links, that link velocity on a new site is definitely going to set off some triggers in the algorithm, al least in 2019.

The only thing cheap links are good for is indexing web 2.0's. Every cheap pbn provider I have used loses the links through deindexation, site getting wiped or letting the registration expire. They should never touch a money site or a good tier 1 post.

They only way you will be able to buy a good PBN links is through monthly subscription to a PBN service. Those providers are the only ones that need to care about the maintenance, effectiveness and longevity of their PBNs.
 
INCC said:
May I ask why's that? Guest post on high metrics sites give less juice than PBN's because the GP is moved to inner page eventually?
You can guest post on home pages as well if you do your research and filter those blogs out or i'm missing something here?
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Very few guest posts will even be linked to from the homepage. When choosing guest posts it's best to choose ones that will at least display your post on a main category page, so you have homepage->category page->your article.

And almost no real site displays full content on the homepage, so you are not going to get your link on the homepage. Any that do that are not real sites, they're guest post farms.

And even if your article appears on a category page, it will roll off. A guest post is just an article with no backlinks on a strong site. A PBN is a permanent in-content homepage link.

You would really see a contrast if you bought, say 5 powerful guest posts, the ones that cost $2k-$5k, forbes etc and compared that with spending $15k-$20k on domains then setting up blogs and giving yourself 5 homepage links. You would skyrocket with the pbn links. With the guest posts.. You'll get a boost, but it will be pretty pathetic. I've never met anyone who's been that impressed with top guest posts. Every agency client I have has said they didn't get good results with them, definitely not in proportion to the amount spent.

Normal mid level guest posts are good because you build up a more natural looking link profile, and you're ramping up your RDs, which is a rank factor when it's real links, ie, not just 1000 comment links, which has no effect on your RDs in Google's eyes.

You can also boost all your mid-level guest posts for an even stronger boost. They work, but it's just more expensive dollar for dollar. I'd say somewhere around $1 for a pbn spend is equivalent to $5 for a guest post spend. This is why PBNs are so damn popular, otherwise everyone would just be buying/selling guest posts :-) Guest posts mostly just sell well to the white hat/business crowds who are afraid of PBNs.

I would go so far as to say you shouldn't even bother with guest posts for sites making under $10k/mo. Growth to $5k, $10k, even up to $20k/mo is best done with PBNs, THEN to scale into the $50k-$100k+ area you need guest posts, because you can't just keep adding PBNs, and the bigger you get, the more exposure you get.
 
splishsplash said:
Very few guest posts will even be linked to from the homepage. When choosing guest posts it's best to choose ones that will at least display your post on a main category page, so you have homepage->category page->your article.

And almost no real site displays full content on the homepage, so you are not going to get your link on the homepage. Any that do that are not real sites, they're guest post farms.

And even if your article appears on a category page, it will roll off. A guest post is just an article with no backlinks on a strong site. A PBN is a permanent in-content homepage link.

You would really see a contrast if you bought, say 5 powerful guest posts, the ones that cost $2k-$5k, forbes etc and compared that with spending $15k-$20k on domains then setting up blogs and giving yourself 5 homepage links. You would skyrocket with the pbn links. With the guest posts.. You'll get a boost, but it will be pretty pathetic. I've never met anyone who's been that impressed with top guest posts. Every agency client I have has said they didn't get good results with them, definitely not in proportion to the amount spent.

Normal mid level guest posts are good because you build up a more natural looking link profile, and you're ramping up your RDs, which is a rank factor when it's real links, ie, not just 1000 comment links, which has no effect on your RDs in Google's eyes.

You can also boost all your mid-level guest posts for an even stronger boost. They work, but it's just more expensive dollar for dollar. I'd say somewhere around $1 for a pbn spend is equivalent to $5 for a guest post spend. This is why PBNs are so damn popular, otherwise everyone would just be buying/selling guest posts :) Guest posts mostly just sell well to the white hat/business crowds who are afraid of PBNs.

I would go so far as to say you shouldn't even bother with guest posts for sites making under $10k/mo. Growth to $5k, $10k, even up to $20k/mo is best done with PBNs, THEN to scale into the $50k-$100k+ area you need guest posts, because you can't just keep adding PBNs, and the bigger you get, the more exposure you get.
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This makes sense, thanks. But this seems to apply only when you build your own PBN and can be 100 % sure what you are doing - as with the outsourced PBN services its always a coinflip and your site wont even reach anywhere to start banking before it gets penalized. I haven't seen any that high-quality PBN service in here for example so this means you either pay top dollar for outsourcing a decent service (if you will find one and you still cannot be sure about the quality) or you pay even more building one yourself.
The bottom line is, if you dont build it yourself, you can never be sure. And building one yourself costs tens of thousands of dollars. This seems not feasible for most people and budgets.
 
If you build a PBN like a money site and monetize it you can make money while making money
 
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So called cheap PBN results on a full CPA based website.
Cheap links can work if you can monitor the quality of links with your goddamn mind.
You cannot just buy and forget.
Don't be shy to ask for revisions from sellers there are plenty in the market if one rejects.(Mostly there are always revisions in my case)
Anyway if costlier links are working for you then why not.That will be lot safer approch.
Good Luck
 
assaultclass said:
I got links at $2 per link for 5 weeks straight, building just 16 links per week and paying extra to keep them on the homepage for 1 month just to make sure I got all the link juice I paid for. So, what happened?

On the second week, the page I pointed the links to got sandboxed. It didn't move an inch forward, even till today. I had to delete the entire site as the domain name had been ruined by these links. I checked my backlinks on Semrush and the majority of the domains had an AS (Authority Score) less than 6. 10 of them were between 10-20 AS, and only 3 domains had more than 20 AS (24, 25, and 49), and I bought links from 80+ domains.

In my experience, even the seemingly good PBN links that cost $10 per link are usually not that good. I once bought these cheap links about a year ago and they worked. I ranked on page 1 but received an unnatural links penalty 3 months later. I didn't care to get it removed because the niche wasn't even as profitable as I expected and thought it was best to move on instead.

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If you value your website, avoid cheap links, unless you're running a churn and burn website, which is honestly a waste of time these days. Google has gotten much smarter. You have to adapt or be left in the dust.

I'm never going to purchase links that cost less than $70 per link again. From now on, I'm sticking to high quality guest posts or niche edits, that's if I ever purchase backlinks again. I'm trying out the income school model with my new website and just focusing on writing good content (I'm writing all the content myself). Once I start seeing some progress, I might start a journey thread.

If I ever feel like I need links for this website, then I'll be spending my money on high quality guest posts or niche edits. F#ck all PBNs.
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I couldn't agree more.

You might be surprised but even only 3-4 quality links (a month) can do wonders so don't despair. :)
 
So what are the PBN links worth bothering with? I know nothing about this but looking to buy for a Grey Hat Project.
 
splishsplash said:
Very few guest posts will even be linked to from the homepage. When choosing guest posts it's best to choose ones that will at least display your post on a main category page, so you have homepage->category page->your article.

And almost no real site displays full content on the homepage, so you are not going to get your link on the homepage. Any that do that are not real sites, they're guest post farms.

And even if your article appears on a category page, it will roll off. A guest post is just an article with no backlinks on a strong site. A PBN is a permanent in-content homepage link.

You would really see a contrast if you bought, say 5 powerful guest posts, the ones that cost $2k-$5k, forbes etc and compared that with spending $15k-$20k on domains then setting up blogs and giving yourself 5 homepage links. You would skyrocket with the pbn links. With the guest posts.. You'll get a boost, but it will be pretty pathetic. I've never met anyone who's been that impressed with top guest posts. Every agency client I have has said they didn't get good results with them, definitely not in proportion to the amount spent.

Normal mid level guest posts are good because you build up a more natural looking link profile, and you're ramping up your RDs, which is a rank factor when it's real links, ie, not just 1000 comment links, which has no effect on your RDs in Google's eyes.

You can also boost all your mid-level guest posts for an even stronger boost. They work, but it's just more expensive dollar for dollar. I'd say somewhere around $1 for a pbn spend is equivalent to $5 for a guest post spend. This is why PBNs are so damn popular, otherwise everyone would just be buying/selling guest posts :) Guest posts mostly just sell well to the white hat/business crowds who are afraid of PBNs.

I would go so far as to say you shouldn't even bother with guest posts for sites making under $10k/mo. Growth to $5k, $10k, even up to $20k/mo is best done with PBNs, THEN to scale into the $50k-$100k+ area you need guest posts, because you can't just keep adding PBNs, and the bigger you get, the more exposure you get.
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Didn't your PBN get penalised?

Giving advice after that... lol
 
Kz3ro said:
Didn't your PBN get penalised?

Giving advice after that... lol
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Yes. I've owned over 1000 pbns and had issues with deindexing. That's why I know what causes problems and what keeps them alive. I didn't just read some article about pbns and re-iterate common knowledge garbage. My advice is based on years of experience, testing and real world applications.

Also, I'd like to remind you that personal attacks on members are against the forum rules, so please keep it civil. You've already been pm'ing me a lot of abuse which I don't appreciate. Act with kindness towards your fellow entrepreneur. Thank-you and no hard feelings.
 
splishsplash said:
Yes. I've owned over 1000 pbns and had issues with deindexing. That's why I know what causes problems and what keeps them alive. I didn't just read some article about pbns and re-iterate common knowledge garbage. My advice is based on years of experience, testing and real world applications.

Also, I'd like to remind you that personal attacks on members are against the forum rules, so please keep it civil. You've already been pm'ing me a lot of abuse which I don't appreciate. Act with kindness towards your fellow entrepreneur. Thank-you and no hard feelings.
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I've not PM'd you a single abusive message, that's a lie.

You launched service, I found a bug immediately, you got annoyed and I replied with REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
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