Cheap PBN links are useless

assaultclass said:
In my experience, even the seemingly good PBN links that cost $10 per link are usually not that good. I once bought these cheap links about a year ago and they worked. I ranked on page 1 but received an unnatural links penalty 3 months later. I didn't care to get it removed because the niche wasn't even as profitable as I expected and thought it was best to move on instead.
F#ck all PBNs.
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Good links at $10 per link?

Bro, do you know how much it costs to setup a proper PBN?

If you sell 100 spots on a PBN at $10 per link, you're still barely going to make any profit.


A good pbn domain is $200 to $800.

Hosting is about $40-$70 per year depending on where you host.

Real, unique, native level content is minimum $2/100, so if you want 2k words on your pbn then that's another $40.

A proper design/logo will set you back another $100 for something that looks real.

So you're looking at $200 + 40 + 40 + 100 = $380 minimum to $800 + 70 + 40 + 100 = $1010 in YEAR 1.

And you think $10 is going to get you a good pbn link? Yikes.

To break even, that's 40 links at $10 = $400. You're now at 40 OBL. What about year 2? You have another $40-$70 in hosting.

And we aren't even taking into account the content for YOUR link.

$10 for a link, where does the content come from? 500 words, native content = $2/100, so you get 500 words.

None of it is possible. You will not get quality for anywhere near that price. Spun content, massive OBL, crap domains, yes. Quality, no.


assaultclass said:
About 400 links
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What?? You wouldn't point 400 of anything at your money site. That's far too many links.

It's not necessary at ALL.

A private network of 30 strong pbns will rank most sites in most niches to the extent they make their money back in 2-3 months, then profit from there.

The absolute most you would ever do is 60-70 pbns, and that's on an aged domain with 500+ RDs.

The more money you have to spend the more you increase quality, not quantity.

Have $3k and want to setup a private pbn for example, then get 10 $200-$250 domains.

Have $30k? Get 20-30 $1k-$2k domains and stick 5-10k words on each.
 
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Cheap links works but you need to do your own quality check on those links. You cannot just buy them and forget. FFS even fiverr and seoclerks links have given me amazing results. I will not go into how I do my quality checks but my projects are still surviving and thriving so I guess I will not be changing my strategy.
 
Jeepy said:
The problem with PBN links is that you can get links for 10usd and you can get links for 70usd and most of the times they are completely the same. I would go for a seller who sells links without providing urls and don't let PBN expire after 1 years + most of these pbns have 1000+ obl which is crazy.
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Sadly, it's hard to find such sellers. Guest posts and niche edits are a safer bet.
splishsplash said:
Good links at $10 per link?

Bro, do you know how much it costs to setup a proper PBN?

If you sell 100 spots on a PBN at $10 per link, you're still barely going to make any profit.


A good pbn domain is $200 to $800.

Hosting is about $40-$70 per year depending on where you host.

Real, unique, native level content is minimum $2/100, so if you want 2k words on your pbn then that's another $40.

A proper design/logo will set you back another $100 for something that looks real.

So you're looking at $200 + 40 + 40 + 100 = $380 minimum to $800 + 70 + 40 + 100 = $1010 in YEAR 1.

And you think $10 is going to get you a good pbn link? Yikes.

To break even, that's 40 links at $10 = $400. You're now at 40 OBL. What about year 2? You have another $40-$70 in hosting.

And we aren't even taking into account the content for YOUR link.

$10 for a link, where does the content come from? 500 words, native content = $2/100, so you get 500 words.

None of it is possible. You will not get quality for anywhere near that price. Spun content, massive OBL, crap domains, yes. Quality, no.
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Thanks for your comment. I'm just glad I didn't buy these links for years before realizing that they are a complete waste of money.
Bigdadddy said:
Cheap links works but you need to do your own quality check on those links. You cannot just buy them and forget. FFS even fiverr and seoclerks links have given me amazing results. I will not go into how I do my quality checks but my projects are still surviving and thriving so I guess I will not be changing my strategy.
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They produced results for me too, and that's why I continued to buy them. But the last service I bought from had absolutely useless domains and all their links did was sandbox my site. I must admit I didn't really look into their domains because I thought they would give me results as usual.

Of course, you should keep using your strategy if it works for you, but have some other projects that use better types of links for diversity. Google is unpredictable.
 
Stay away from cheap PBN's is my advice! Otherwise you'll learn the hard way as most experienced SEO players have over the years!!
 
assaultclass said:
Guest posts and niche edits are a safer bet.
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Not necessarily.

You need to check the quality of links, regardless of whether they're called PBNs, niche edits or guest posts. Cheap is often a sign of poor quality, but not the only one. Always do a test order before risking an important site.
 
assaultclass said:
About 400 links

Yes, from the marketplace

I learnt the hard way. Lesson learnt, and I think that's what happened. They couldn't have algorithmically detected those links. If they could, SEOs using their own truly private networks would be getting penalised as well. That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
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assaultclass said:
Sadly, it's hard to find such sellers. Guest posts and niche edits are a safer bet.

Thanks for your comment. I'm just glad I didn't buy these links for years before realizing that they are a complete waste of money.
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You're welcome.

Stick with PBNs. They rock beyond belief. Guest posts are nowhere near as effective. If you drop $5k/mo you'll rank, but with lower budgets they're just not effective.

You don't need as many pbns as you might think to rank. These cheap pbns are useless, so don't use them to measure the ranking ability. Not only do they get you penalized, but they don't rank you.

If you add 2-3 $50-$200 "private" pbns per month you'll grow. That's all it takes. Just be patient and make a 1 year plan for your site. If you've added 2-3 per month for a year, you'll have about 20-35 pbns pointing to your site, and 1 year of age.
 
splishsplash said:
You're welcome.

Stick with PBNs. They rock beyond belief. Guest posts are nowhere near as effective. If you drop $5k/mo you'll rank, but with lower budgets they're just not effective.

You don't need as many pbns as you might think to rank. These cheap pbns are useless, so don't use them to measure the ranking ability. Not only do they get you penalized, but they don't rank you.
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The proof of what you're saying is right there in my post you quoted above. I had to buy 400+ links on 400+ unique domains just to rank for a 4,400 MS keyword, only to get penalized a couple of months later. Definitely wasn't worth the effort and money.
splishsplash said:
If you add 2-3 $50-$200 "private" pbns per month you'll grow. That's all it takes. Just be patient and make a 1 year plan for your site. If you've added 2-3 per month for a year, you'll have about 20-35 pbns pointing to your site, and 1 year of age.
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That's a solid plan and I'll be giving it some serious consideration. The best part of it is I'll still have those blogs to link to other money sites in the future instead of buying links all over again. Thanks for being so helpful. We need more guys like you on this forum.
 
assaultclass said:
The proof of what you're saying is right there in my post you quoted above. I had to buy 400+ links on 400+ unique domains just to rank for a 4,400 MS keyword, only to get penalized a couple of months later. Definitely wasn't worth the effort and money.

That's a solid plan and I'll be giving it some serious consideration. The best part of it is I'll still have those blogs to link to other money sites in the future instead of buying links all over again. Thanks for being so helpful. We need more guys like you on this forum.
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Yeah, you need a ridiculous amount of links with them to rank, and then it's so much it gets you penalized. Even 400 private pbns setup well would be hard to keep under the radar never mind 400 basic wp setups.

Yes, you can re-use your pbns..

You don't need niche relevant links to rank. However, you want niche pbns. Why? Because that's how you keep them under the radar.

If you have a domain that was a tech security blog, make it a tech security blog. Don't just make it broad tech.

Obviously that will be best for a tech site, but you can still use it for other niches. You just need to make sure your articles are tech security. If it's done right, it won't look like a pbn even to a manual reviewer. Even to an SEO. What makes a pbn a pbn is this

"Blog Title: The Tech Security Chronicle" <-- Ok, fine
It then has a wonderful design. Amazing logo and lots of great tech security content/pages. Looks WONDERFUL.

But then..
The blog..
Article 1: Best Plumbers in NYC
Article 2: Using CBD Oil For Anxiety
Article 3: What to Consider Before Buying a Recursive Bow

Instead of

Article 1: Our Picks for the Top 3 Security Conferences in 2020
Article 2: How to Keep Your Laptop Secure
Article 3: Why an Encrypted Flash Drive is Essential


Etc etc. That will pass manual review.

Now, you can put as many sites on it as you want, as long as you fit them into the niche.

I've not tested this, but I would also imagine that having too many highly non relevant links is an algorithm sign.

Ie, if you have a link to a pet site, from an article such as "How to Keep Your Laptop Secure", times 100, then it can stand out as being weird. Most links in articles are somewhat related. You don't need a link from "Best Plumbers" to your plumbing site, but real links will generally be from articles related to the home, fixing things, businesses. Think in terms of

A topic graph

Start with your topic, say "plumbers", you have a graph with a weight, say 1-10, the link from plumbers to home repair is say 9, the link from plumbers to business is 7, plumbers to tools is 8, plumbers to cats is 1

So a link from a cat article is weird. Not impossible, but weird. A link from a tools article is natural, a business article is fairly natural too.

See how it works? That's how you create pbns and link to your money site without triggering algorithmic problems and passing manual reviews at the same time.

And you don't need to physically draw out that graph. Your brain knows it. If I say plumber to you, certain things pop in your head. If I say cat, other things pop in your head. We know what's related and how related it is.
 
seocrab said:
Not necessarily.

You need to check the quality of links, regardless of whether they're called PBNs, niche edits or guest posts. Cheap is often a sign of poor quality, but not the only one. Always do a test order before risking an important site.
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Indeedy, there are plenty of sellers selling links which are on farmed sites, free to post sites and other shady platforms and not actually real guestposts.
 
splishsplash said:
Yeah, you need a ridiculous amount of links with them to rank, and then it's so much it gets you penalized. Even 400 private pbns setup well would be hard to keep under the radar never mind 400 basic wp setups.

Yes, you can re-use your pbns..

You don't need niche relevant links to rank. However, you want niche pbns. Why? Because that's how you keep them under the radar.

If you have a domain that was a tech security blog, make it a tech security blog. Don't just make it broad tech.

Obviously that will be best for a tech site, but you can still use it for other niches. You just need to make sure your articles are tech security. If it's done right, it won't look like a pbn even to a manual reviewer. Even to an SEO. What makes a pbn a pbn is this

"Blog Title: The Tech Security Chronicle" <-- Ok, fine
It then has a wonderful design. Amazing logo and lots of great tech security content/pages. Looks WONDERFUL.

But then..
The blog..
Article 1: Best Plumbers in NYC
Article 2: Using CBD Oil For Anxiety
Article 3: What to Consider Before Buying a Recursive Bow

Instead of

Article 1: Our Picks for the Top 3 Security Conferences in 2020
Article 2: How to Keep Your Laptop Secure
Article 3: Why an Encrypted Flash Drive is Essential


Etc etc. That will pass manual review.

Now, you can put as many sites on it as you want, as long as you fit them into the niche.

I've not tested this, but I would also imagine that having too many highly non relevant links is an algorithm sign.

Ie, if you have a link to a pet site, from an article such as "How to Keep Your Laptop Secure", times 100, then it can stand out as being weird. Most links in articles are somewhat related. You don't need a link from "Best Plumbers" to your plumbing site, but real links will generally be from articles related to the home, fixing things, businesses. Think in terms of

A topic graph

Start with your topic, say "plumbers", you have a graph with a weight, say 1-10, the link from plumbers to home repair is say 9, the link from plumbers to business is 7, plumbers to tools is 8, plumbers to cats is 1

So a link from a cat article is weird. Not impossible, but weird. A link from a tools article is natural, a business article is fairly natural too.

See how it works? That's how you create pbns and link to your money site without triggering algorithmic problems and passing manual reviews at the same time.

And you don't need to physically draw out that graph. Your brain knows it. If I say plumber to you, certain things pop in your head. If I say cat, other things pop in your head. We know what's related and how related it is.
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Thank you so much. I'll definitely try this out. Any ideas for cheap PBN hosting? Anything cheaper than EBN but just as good would be great. I don't have any problem paying for EBN, but if I can save some bucks, why not?
 
More like you spammed your own money site. These links aren't meant for such purpose.
 
MisterF said:
Indeedy, there are plenty of sellers selling links which are on farmed sites, free to post sites and other shady platforms and not actually real guestposts.
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It's pretty easy to spot those. #1 red flag: zero traffic on Semrush or a sharp drop in traffic indicating a penalty. I've seen blogs converted to guest post farms after receiving a heavy Google penalty.
HustleTong said:
More like you spammed your own money site. These links aren't meant for such purpose.
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Building links doesn't equate to spamming.
 
assaultclass said:
That's your business. If you don't like the thread, avoid it and find something better to do with your time instead of posting pointless comments.
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Well what did you expect when you did something stupid and post it on a public forum, a cookie?
 
assaultclass said:
Thank you so much. I'll definitely try this out. Any ideas for cheap PBN hosting? Anything cheaper than EBN but just as good would be great. I don't have any problem paying for EBN, but if I can save some bucks, why not?
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You won't find cheaper than EBN. It's already low quality, but it's good enough and people don't have penalization problems with it, even though you're sharing with up to 100 other pbns.
 
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splishsplash said:
You won't find cheaper than EBN. It's already low quality, but it's good enough and people don't have penalization problems with it, even though you're sharing with up to 100 other pbns.
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I'll go with EBN then. Last question...do you get results with expired domains that have been deindexed as a result of a long period of inactivity (i. e. site was no longer active) or do you only buy domains that are still indexed?
 
assaultclass said:
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I'll go with EBN then. Last question...do you get results with expired domains that have been deindexed as a result of a long period of inactivity (i. e. site was no longer active) or do you only buy domains that are still indexed?
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You're already looking for a cheap way out by saving on hosting. Why? You're kicking yourself to the curb by cutting costs.

I'd rather recommend one of the better cloud hosts (DigitalOcean, Vultr, AWS, Atlantic etc.) - 5$ per site. Unique IP, not shared with anyone from a ton of differenct datacenters.
 
assaultclass said:
I believe EBN is great for starting out. Do you have a better alternative? How do you host your PBNs?
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See above. Your own account with any of the big cloud hosting companies (DigitalOcean, Vultr, AWS, Atlantic etc.). Wordpress setup is rather easy (many tutorials out there) and the kicker: You don't share any of these with other sites or worse other PBNs (which is quite common for PBN hosts).
 
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