bmac blackmailer and scammer

Ok, I read over everything in both issues that have been spelled out.


** BMAC vs HepiSmajli **


1) BMAC, I REALLY don't like that crappy line of yours where you said that since he SLed you, your replied, "that is fine but I can assure you that now you will not be paid"


That alone calls to question your character and makes me concerned for you doing ANY kind of JV going forward. You said that you weren't blackmailing him, what do you call THAT? (and that was in YOUR screenshot).


2) BMAC, you never mentioned any future non-disclosure or non-compete clause in any of the logs presented so it is unreasonable for you to expect him to sign one now - unless you're prepared to 'buy him out' of the current agreement. That 'buy out' would NOT the amount you owe him. That is already due him. That amount would be in addition to it and it would have to be an amount that you both agreed to.


3) According to the figures given by HepiSmajli (and not disputed by BMAC), BMAC owes HepiSmajli $1638 for the JV from Oct thruogh Dec. BMCAC must pay that amount immediately - no further delay - period. This payment is not contingent on any other point or any other agreement. It is owed, PAY IT.


4) Going forward, if HepiSmajli uses this method, he would have pay BMAC 50% of the income. Sorry HepiSmajli, that was the agreement. I'm don't find much distinction between a JV where you were doing all of the work voluntarily and only getting 50% of the money vs your doing all the work because you've stopped talking. You agreed in your origional JV that he would get 50% of the income. Of course, if you part ways, you two may want to talk this point over. If you decide it's not worth your time to do it by yourself and pay him 50%, he gets nothing (50% of nothing because it's not being worked). He may accept a smaller amount simply because 25% of something is always more than 50% of something (as an example).


** BMAC vs Abhi007 **


The way I see this one is a JV that was never really started - by fault of both parties. BMAC did agree to include the proxies and did not. Abhi007 never even attempted the method, either with his own proxies or without them. On this one, I figure that a 50% refund would be fair. So out of the $225, a refund of $112.50 would be in order.


** BMAC vs jozvaldo **


Waiting for more information to be posted.


These are my decisions on this JV to this point.

OldSalt thank you, but I don't agree I am suppose to give him 50% of the income if I work on my own. I mean giving someone 50% of the profit, while he does nothing, is like mafia's protection racket. I never agreed on that.

When I entered the JV also he never mentioned that 100% investments are needed from my side, and I did it, as you said it VOLUNTAIRLY, not because of the JV's terms, but because I was afraid if I stop working he will scam me for the money. Also JV and 50/50 split considers that he is suppose to make websites and provide Adsense accounts and tech support as well, not to sit cross handed. But he delayed payments, lied, disrespected me and neglected and closed JV on his end. In addition it was never said to me that he is teaching me the method where I am forbidden to work with it, on my own, for life. I would not enter the JV on that terms in the first place.

But thank you one more time, I will let you know when he pays money.

HepiSmajli said:

OldSalt thank you, but I don't agree I am suppose to give him 50% of the income if I work on my own. I mean giving someone 50% of the profit, while he does nothing, is like mafia's protection racket. I never agreed on that.

When I entered the JV also he never mentioned that 100% investments are needed from my side, and I did it, as you said it VOLUNTAIRLY, not because of the JV's terms, but because I was afraid if I stop working he will scam me for the money. Also JV and 50/50 split considers that he is suppose to make websites and provide Adsense accounts and tech support as well, not to sit cross handed. But he delayed payments, lied, disrespected me and neglected and closed JV on his end. In addition it was never said to me that he is teaching me the method where I am forbidden to work with it, on my own, for life. I would not enter the JV on that terms in the first place.

But thank you one more time, I will let you know when he pays money.

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You've been using his setup, his method etc for the JV. If the JV is ended, that means that you cannot go on without him and do it on your own without paying him for what he showed you. Yes, he had you pay for the software but again, it was his method, that was the JV. I am not saying that it it was fair to begin with but I am saying as far as JVs go, if the JV has ended, that means that you no longer should be doing it period... If two people form a partnership business and after a period of time, one decides he no longer wants to take part in it, it's up to the two to negotiate what payment he would get going forward. aka, he could receive a single pay off, he could accept a smaller amount since he will no longer be actively taking part etc... but that's up to you two to negotiate. My main focus is for him to pay you for what is owed.

OldSalt said:

Ok, I read over everything in both issues that have been spelled out.


** BMAC vs HepiSmajli **


1) BMAC, I REALLY don't like that crappy line of yours where you said that since he SLed you, your replied, "that is fine but I can assure you that now you will not be paid"


That alone calls to question your character and makes me concerned for you doing ANY kind of JV going forward. You said that you weren't blackmailing him, what do you call THAT? (and that was in YOUR screenshot).

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Yes I did tell him if he posted private information in a public forum he would not be paid. You work for a forum so I dont expect you to agree with this but esp considering the nature of this forum it is foolish at best to publicly post this type of information. While nothing we do is illegal it is not something the owners of these sites allow and now it is all public and will be forever so now this risk the accounts used. So if his actions get the accounts banned (some of the money he is owed has not be paid yet) then I stand to lose far more than what he is owed. He does say in one of those "I plan to cause as much damage as I can"

2) BMAC, you never mentioned any future non-disclosure or non-compete clause in any of the logs presented so it is unreasonable for you to expect him to sign one now - unless you're prepared to 'buy him out' of the current agreement. That 'buy out' would NOT the amount you owe him. That is already due him. That amount would be in addition to it and it would have to be an amount that you both agreed to.

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I had no reason to end the jv or expect a non compete clause because the jv was for me to get 50% of the revenues. He refused to continue with the new owner of the business. I dont need a non compete as long as he was willing to agree to continue the method with the new owner of the business but he was not. Then he was told that he could continue the jv and he refused that as well.

3) According to the figures given by HepiSmajli (and not disputed by BMAC), BMAC owes HepiSmajli $1638 for the JV from Oct thruogh Dec. BMCAC must pay that amount immediately - no further delay - period. This payment is not contingent on any other point or any other agreement. It is owed, PAY IT.

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He was owed $167 paid already before the jv was ended but not all of the $1638 has been paid yet.

I have said many times as long as he agrees to stick to the agreement and I get 50% of the earnings if he uses the method I have no prob paying him but many times he has refused to do so. you say "pay that amount immediately -no further delay - period". I have no issue with that as long as you will be responsible for ensuring the agreement is followed and any earnings are paid from the use of the method. I had told him many many times prior to him posting here that I had no issue paying him as long as he agreed to those terms that he would continue to follow the terms of the JV and he refused to do so and now by posting here he has put all the funds not paid at risk.

As far as Abhi007 goes and your statement about him that is what I had offered and I am not going to take the time to post screen shots unless he disputes this statement but when I offered that his reply was "I do not accept this". I spend many many hours working with him and the original jv post clearly indicated that the reason why we ask that you pay the cost is most guys will do just what he did. It is easier to talk about working than to actually do it and it is a poor business decision to spend countless hours training someone and then them do nothing.

bmac said:

As far as Abhi007 goes and your statement about him that is what I had offered and I am not going to take the time to post screen shots unless he disputes this statement but when I offered that his reply was "I do not accept this". I spend many many hours working with him and the original jv post clearly indicated that the reason why we ask that you pay the cost is most guys will do just what he did. It is easier to talk about working than to actually do it and it is a poor business decision to spend countless hours training someone and then them do nothing.

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Bmac dont lie you never spent any so called MANY MANY hours hours working with me...just offer my refund that's it...also if you say you were paying $19 month for the software updates...if i would have not talked with you that means you would have kept paying $19 every month right?

you said this is a custom version of Indianbill's software...I highly even doubt our overall chats lasted more than 45 mins. and this is not how a JV works....

Your right I did spent hours work with you because you were not involved. I spend hours setting your stuff up only to have you do nothing. How long do you think it takes to build the website, type out by hand all the content, and if you just figure up the time spent on skype alone it is many hours. I tell you what pick a fair rate per hour and then lets go back and figure up just the time spend talking on skype for the past two months and we will deduct the hours spent from your payment and I will refund the rest...does that sound fair?

bmac said:

Your right I did spent hours work with you because you were not involved. I spend hours setting your stuff up only to have you do nothing. How long do you think it takes to build the website, type out by hand all the content, and if you just figure up the time spent on skype alone it is many hours. I tell you what pick a fair rate per hour and then lets go back and figure up just the time spend talking on skype for the past two months and we will deduct the hours spent from your payment and I will refund the rest...does that sound fair?

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also you said we were gonna use other of your sites but you gave me some other site, you have time to reply now right when your reputation is on the line??? i dont think we spent many hours....also even if we considr the time spent on skype it was nothing but disappointing....

That makes no sense but you were provided three different sites. And no I do not have time to be dealing with this but you keep saying I didnt spend any time with you on skype yet we talked for two months with hundred and hundreds of conversations. I can post the entire conversation if you would like or just go count them yourself. You say it was disappointing but you didnt have a problem until now. You didnt have an issue when I was typing out all the content. Why should I have spent all that time on the site and content and you do nothing and then want your money back?

As for vdrill I dont know who you are or what you have to do with this but you dont even know the method so how can you sit and say it is common knowledge?

so really you talked with me on skype for 2 months consistently....everyday???????????????

also if i would have never reached out to you you would have kept paying $19 every month for the software...what rubbish.

I never once ask you to pay $19 a month nor anything per month. I said that is my expense. I also never said I talked to you everyday for two months. I said to go count how much time was spend on skype only plus the time spend for me to build you a site and type all the content.

My point is you came to me and said you wanted to work and make money and all you did was waste a lot of my time which is why I ask that all that start the jv pay the cost up front so I dont end up paying the cost and wasting my time only to find out you are not willing to work. So be honest since you didnt even attempt to make any money do you really think I should have had to spend that much time on your project?

abhi007 said:

so really you talked with me on skype for 2 months consistently....everyday???????????????

also if i would have never reached out to you you would have kept paying $19 every month for the software...what rubbish.

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dude now you are the one trying to mislead everyone....where did i mention i need to pay $19 every month...i said if i would not reach out to you..you would have kept on paying $19 every month LOL...Also where are those two JV partners who are supposed to vouch for you making a few thousand $$$$ and one making $500 every month???? Also have you forgotten the proxy you agreed at the start...listen i asked you $225 does it cover the proxy cost you said yes that means you never even abided by the JV rules...

So let me ask you this, if I was suppose to provide the proxies then why did you say this..


Why say "give me a day or two about the proxy thingy" if I was suppose to provide the proxies. I have said I dont have an issue paying for the proxies but really you didnt need them until you started doing high volume and you had done nothing so you were not to the point where you needed proxies yet AND you indicated in an skype message I provided above that you had a vpn you could use so we didnt need them. This is an excuse and the reality is you were lazy and didnt do any work and saw a good opportunity with this thread to claim you should get your money back even though you did no work.

And you say that because I didnt provide them I didnt follow the JV rules. I have said in skype and on here that if I told you I would provide them I would do so. So yes I am following the jv rules. I dont thing the "rules" said when I would provide them and since they cost monthly and I agreed to pay all monthly ongoing fees then I would not provide them until they are needed and since you never even started they were not needed so yes I followed the so called rules.

that's because i forgot that you were the one who was going to provide the proxies btw you said yes ok and this was before that chat. Thank god i did not end up buying those proxies and actually remembered you were the one who was going to provide it..........btw why dont you answer my question...you say you need to pay $19 every month for the software license means that if i did not hit you up you should have ended up paying $19 every month uptil now right???????

so this screenshot doesnt tell any story?



actually not good opporunity with this thread...i had already discussed this with some guys on skype that i made a big mistake sending you money and that you never gave what you promised...also dont discard my questions....where are those two guys making money.....let them post...

Yes I pay the monthly fee for the software each month which is around $19. I have said 100 times if I told you I would provide the proxies I will and I offered on skype and you said no. One of those earning on the program is the OP and he did make money and would have continued to make money had he not been greedy. I had told him I had a different project that he could work with me on that was making good money but when he started telling me I had to pay him money for selling my business I ended that. So one of the OP and the other it is his choice if he wants to post but not everyone wants to put on a public forum that they are doing this type of business and it is really none of your business anyway who runs this program.

You had no problem with this jv until you read this thread. You just saw a way to get your money back when you realized you were not going to do any work. You never said a word about the proxies and in fact just a few days ago you were going to use a vpn for proxies.

And how do you figure I didnt provide you what you paid for? Where you provided the training vidoes? Yes you were, two months ago. Where you provided a website? Yes you were about a month ago. Where you provided the content, yes you were about three to four weeks ago. So other than proxies which you do not need yet what else were you suppose to be provided? You keep saying I dont answer your question (and I have) so answer mine. What were you not provided? And why did you never even try the method?

you offered me proxies on skype? you said yes but never offered me....

when did you? you are trying to mislead people here......i dont think i saw this thread as a way to get my money..as a matter of fact this method is not that easy as someone thinks btw i did not drive any traffic so why were you still paying the $19 monthly fees???????????

I use the software so I keep paying their fee per month. I dont see the $19 a month I pay as relevant. I didnt charge you a fee monthly you are just trying to make an issue out of something that is not just like the proxies. I never said I offered you proxies on skype. I told you what I used and how I did it but I also told you that you didnt need them yet. Show me where I said that I offered them to you on skype? You said you could use a vpn. I provided you everything you needed so I will ask again what did I not provide you that I was suppose to provide you?

you said this is a custom software that you built for yourself...no plz. refer to our previous chats i asked you does the $225 cover the proxy cost and you said yes...let me tell you i am not new to IM and there is more to this method...really i mean this JV is all about you providing the software, websites and btw who knows you built the websites new???

btw can you link me where does the software cost $125 plz....dude why do you keep on bringing the same stuff back??????? yes i agree i asked you about what proxies and stuff to use but only after going through our previous chats you said yes to providing me proxies also how many people are really using your skype ID???

i still dont get how many people are using your skype....there are like 3 people i must have talked to but in reality it's you the only one handling that skype ID.

bmac said:

I have said 100 times if I told you I would provide the proxies I will and I offered on skype and you said no.

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so what are you trying to say here?