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bmac blackmailer and scammer

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  1. HappyS

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    I apologize for this being a longer thread, but I will try to put as much details as I can. Because this guy is a psychopath (I don't mean this as an insult but rather as a diagnosis) and I know that he will lie, put things out of context and give various BS excuses.

    In september we formed a JV, I payed him upfront 300$ to teach me his method. He said that I am suppose to work half an hour to hour a day and that he will supply me with tools and a website. Not any agreements were signed. The method proved profitable but in reality it should be worked 3-4 hours a day and also investment were needed. In this JV I worked 100% of the time and also gave 100% of the investments and we split profit 50%-50%. Most of the method I figured out and scalled by myself, while he gave a website that he already had and 2 software tools. Other than that he didn't move a finger for the money earned. CCA I earned him +2500$ in 3 months, not counting my part of the money.

    I worked untill early decemeber with him, when he was overdue with payment for more than 2 weeks, when he ended the JV on his initiative. He payed me for september and part of money earned in october. Now he owes me: 167$ - october, 1145$ - november and 326$ for december (1638$ total).

    - His excuse why he is not paying me:
    In december he mentioned that he intends to sell the whole business (both method and websites) to some buyer. He wanted me to stop working and sign some non-competitive contract with his buyer. Screenshot below. When I rejected to sign he refused to give me my money. On the original verbal JV agreement he never mentioned that I am not suppose to use the method when our JV ends. If he did, I would not enter the JV or pay him for the method. And even if he said that I am not allowed to use the method outside of the JV (but he didn't), I am in no obligation to sign any third-party contracts with his buyers nor with him. If he wanted some agreements signed, he should do it on the JV start, not on the JV end when he owes me money, and when it can be called blackmail.

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    He shared his method in the past with many guys for the money, so I see this as just another bullshit excuse not to pay me my money. Screenshots below.

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    The fact, on the screenshot above, that he had a guy who payed to learn his method then continued on his own, is proof enough that noone signed anything before. I promised that I won't steal his method and I didn't. I worked for 3 months, while he was disrespecting me and owing me money all the time, untill he refused to send payment and canceled the JV. I also provide screenshots where he is talking about selling the method.

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    When I agreed to work with him there was nothing about non-competitive agreements or any bullshit like that. I was never aware that he thinks to teach me the method that I am forbidden to use outside of JV and that I will have to sign some non-competitive agreements with whom ever he wants in order to get my money. To further prove that he is just trying to scam me I will give you an insight how this guy treats his associates and what he is like when he needs to send money, how he gives excuses and lies every time.

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    * so he finally sent all money from september after two weeks and 4$ less, claiming that his assoicate enter wrong email address first time

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    *Google Adsense payed on 23rd november, he is 10 days late with payment. Remember the part where he says "limit is 500$"

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    *2 weeks overdue, this time he says that limit is 300$, but he sent money from the same card as before.


    Now screenshots cannot show how much all this was uncomforatble for me, I was practically begging him for my own money every time, and was afraid from start that eventually he will scam me. He always had some excuses why he didn't send it and eventually scammed me. Few more screenshots how he is changing the rules:

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    *First he wanted me to sign a bogus non-competitive agreemnt with his buyer, but then he wants an agreement I won't share/sell his method otherwise he won't send me my money

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    *now issue is that I am not only allowed to sell/share the method, but I can't use it either or he want give me money

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    *I don't know is he mocking me in here, or this is just his psychopathy, now he is claiming that if I decide to work with the method on my own, I should give him half of the money every time

    RESUME:
    In september I payed this guy 300$ to teach me his method and we made a JV. I was doing 100% of the work and 100% of the investments, money split was 50%-50%. In december he announced that he intends to sell the business and that I need to sign some non-competitive agreement with his buyer. It would mean that I am forbidden of working with this method for life. When I refused, he refused to pay me and ended the JV.

    At the moment I am not doing his method and I have no intention to sell it. But honestly, in my opinion, I think I can do whatever I want with the acquired knowledge. I never agreed to any non-comepetitive agreements and he didn't ask for them until I pilled up +1.5K on his Adsense account. One thing is certain, I am in no obligation to sign agreements for his buyers (nor him) now when JV has ended. He shared his method with many guys from BH in the past, who payed upfront and earned him money, so I don't see this as a real problem but rather as an excuse not to send me money he never intened to send anyway.
     
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  2. OldSalt

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    bmac has been notified that he has 48 hours to respond.

    *Removed the name in the skype images*

    OS
    PS. Reminder to all who have current issues, keep it PROFESSIONAL. No name calling or other insults.

    Reminder to everyone else:
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  3. bmac

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    I do not have time right now to go through four months of skype conversations but I have told you many times I will pay you provided that you agree to follow the terms of the JV and you have refused saying "you will get nothing"

    I started this jv and did require he pay for the software and some other expenses and we did agree that he was not to share the method and that I would teach him what to do and we would split the profit 50/50 which he knew the terms up front.

    I did not tell him I would teach him the method and once he knew what I did he could just go do it on his own and not pay me anything which is what he is wanting to do.

    I did have a buyer who wanted to purchase my business, I have about 9 sites that all use this method and earn good money every month. I spoke in detail with the buyer but he was not comfortable with buying a business that had a guy who would be competing with him and this guys site had a ctr of twice what all the other sites had and they were all identical and he was worried that he was clicking his own ads or doing something else shady with the adesnse accounts which could get them banned and all the money earned would be lost.

    I told him about the buyer and ask him to sign a non compete with the owner or I would just transfer his 50% payments to him and he said he would if I paid him $5k. Now I have built this business over 5 years so I didnt feel he should get $5k for nothing. And he refused to work with the new owner.

    So then I tell him fine we will just continue the jv and he refused and says he can use the method on his own which is not what the agreement was. He says that because we had nothing in writing he does not have to agree to anything which is true we do not have anything in writing. I have seen him steal other methods from other bhw members which is why I was so concerned and I didnt want the buyer to get screwed for something he paid for which is why I ask for a non compete.

    I have never said he would not get paid. I said I would pay him but we need an agreement on the terms and I would continue to get 50% and he has refused. I run a big risk with him using the adsense account esp when his ctr is twice the norm.
     
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    Why don't you simply put evidence, screenshots, etc. as I did, so there is some sense in me replying to all this lies and things put out of context.
     
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    bmac, sorry but you are going to have to back up what you claim. In addition, if you have a jv and aren't doing any of the work going forward, how would you expect him to send you 50% for doing nothing when your participation was part of the original JV?

    In addition, if there was no mention of a non-competition should you decide to get out of the biz (either quitting or selling it off), how can you expect that he is obligated to sign it?

    In either case, pay what you owe him - the 50% for the months that you've been paid for. Not doing so is in violation to the JV that you have confirmed you had.

    OS
     
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    similar issues - still trying to contact bmac
     
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    I too am waiting for my refund....wasted my money with this douche...
     
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    @bmac,
    Ok, It's now been 4 days since your post. Find the time to post your side of the story. You have 48 hours - and that's it.

    @Jozvaldo and Abhi007, please post more info concerning your issues with bmac. ie. I need details. Logs would be good, but at the very minimum a summary of what went on, when, how much etc.

    Thank you,
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    ok so i paid this guy $225 for this JV where he would provide me the instructional videos, software and proxies after making payment this guy stopped responding and barely used to reply....i was patient with him for 2 months but now i want this guy to return my money...he is irresponsive and does not value a JV at all...he ended up sending me the videos, software...he does not even want to reveal his identity...i seriously dont get if OP is a guy or a women....he said he was a lady....there are like 3 people operating that single skype ID....this guy/gal says that this is his method that he has been using for more than 5 years and he is the only one who knows it but in reality there is nothing new if you ask me. He provided me the software heck i dont even know if he has legally bought it or cracked it...i asked Indianbill007 if he bought it from him...he said he will check but no reply yet...really bmac really you call this a JV???????

    This guy/gal even told me to email him since he is busy and doesnt respond on skype....why should i email you when this is not even a JV...you just wanted the money that's it and btw you never gave any instructions...
     
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    Ok I have some free time to respond. First off I will reply to the OP. I did have a buyer that wanted to buy all the websites so I did inform him since he was really the only one that was actually working the method. Now this guy is willing to spend a lot of money for a method and obviously he didnt want to buy a business where one of the current guys operating the business would continue to compete with him.

    So lets be clear about what the terms of the JV were. You tell me since you seem to have all the answers because I was under the impression that I would teach you the method and provide the website and other items and I got 50% of the income from you running the method. So you tell me did we have an agreement that I would teach you the method and then once you learned the method you would do it on your own and I got nothing out of it?

    So I did tell you I would pay you but we needed an agreement that if you use the method I get half. That was the agreement and you have refused to do that.
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    I have no issue paying you what you are owed but we need an agreement that if you use the method then I get half of the revenues and you have refused to do that which was the agreement correct? It is funny you say I am trying to blackmail you, I ask you to agree that you would not compete with this guy since you were not willing to continue to work with him and you demanded money.

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    As I have said I have no issue paying you what you are owed but what you want to do is take what I have showed you and make money on your own and not pay me the agreed 50%. As you can see in the below screen shot I have told you and told you many times that I would pay you but you have to agree to honor the terms of the JV.
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    And at abhi007...Here is the issue I have with you....you are not willing to work. Like a lot of guys on here and if you go back and read our conversation I even told you that most guys on here will talk about doing some work and never do it. You were provided training, the method, the software, and a website and never did anything. See the screen shot below where you said "I did net even implement your so called method"

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    And I provided you this stuff a month or two ago. Your excuse is that you didnt have proxies. See the pic below about the proxies.
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    I provided you full training videos over two months ago. See the screen shot below. I provided you the training two months ago and since you can not speak good english I even typed out every single text that you needed to use and I spent a great deal of time with you, over 600 skype messages and you say you have not even tried to use the method so do you expect to make money doing nothing?
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    dont talk rubbish dude that is not even a method....you say you are like the only one using the method?

    really...also check the skype chats i asked you does $225 also covers the proxy cost and you said yes. BTW i also asked you is this method so easy as it seems and you said yes but in reality it is not. This is not childs play...offcourse i am not asking someone to spoonfeed me and i am certainly not one of those guys who steals anyones methods, but your method has nothing new and holy you need $100 to design that site?

    are you kidding us?

    also i asked you if you are a guy/gal you said you are a gal....dont try to mislead people...
     
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    Ok well please post where I told you I would provide the proxies. As seen in the above skype you said nothing about it but I did tell you that if I told you that then I would provide them...see the below screen shot but back up what you are saying with screen shots. If I said I would provide the proxies then I will.

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    So you want to bash the method that is fine but no method makes money if you dont do it.
     
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    I dont need any proxies i would expect a prompt refund that's it!
     

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    So you want to waste my time for two months and then you want a full refund even when you yourself said you did nothing and never even did anything?
     
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    And lets make sure we tell the whole story. All you can come up with is I didnt give you proxies so you want your money back but read the two screen shots below.

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    you said it's included in the $225 also you showed online on skype everytime but would never reply even though later you said to contact you through email nd i highly even doubt you would have taken my emails seriously and i am not the only guy to say this...also you never took our chats seriously you said you were gonna tell your JV partners to post on the thread to vouch for you. Also dont you think you wrote in the chats that you are the only guy in the WHOLE world who is using this method for 5 straight years???

    so one of the partners was working with you for 3 months and one for 2 months and it seems like no one got paid common dude..you have one guy doing a few thousand a month and other guy doing $500 a month..
     
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    Actually see the screenshot of our orignal convo. IMG_2572.PNG

    This plainly says you need $225 AND proxies....so yes you were told that you needed them in addition. And yes I told you to email me because I was not always on skype. I do leave it up on one computer but I am not always in front of that computer but I am not going to apologize for my skype showing me online and me not being in front of my computer but looking at our skype it was never more than 24 hours that it took me to reply to any message from you except one time when I was out sick. And your excuse when I tell you to email me is "you would not take it serious".

    And as far as not taking it serious you are the one who did not take it serious. I spent many hours on your project from getting you a website, typing out all the content for you to use, and training you, and the hours spent on skype with you and what did you do? See the screen shot above where you said you didnt even do anything on the jv. So you are the one who took nothing serious.

    Read the JV thread, I did indicated that you had to pay for everything because so many guys claim the will do so much and then never work and this was meant for guys like you who do nothing and then want me to spend hours with you and waste my time.
     
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    I know its not allowed to post if i'm not involved in that shitlist however i would like to mention that OP's method isn't unique as he claims and used by many people and has also been posted in a diffrent way on bhw.

    Funny he is being concerned about competition instead of a known company who hunts down spammers for breaking their tos
     
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  20. HappyS

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    @abhi007
    I think you should maybe open another thread it is getting chaotic, or please wait why we don't finish.

    @Vrill
    He is lying for that as well, that website had CR high before I came. I improved its CR for maybe 1-2% only.

    @bmac
    You explained nothing in these screnshots provided, they are screenshots after the JV has ended, not from the begining. This one screencap has its sense put out of context. 50/50 share is considering we are in a JV, with your participation, and that you supply adsense accounts, and a website, and a tech support. How can you expect that anyone sends you 50% of their profits, while you do nothing?

    And it is irrelevant, I am not doing the method at the moment and I am not sure will I work it or not. But I am in no obligation to sign any agreements for you nor your buyers, and I won't do it. You should have mentioned that at the start of the JV, not when you can blackmail me with my money at the end of the JV. Should I say now that there were also investments with the method, I wasn't aware of, and that I was paying 100% of them, because you didn't want to? If I knew all of these hidden terms I wouldn't enter the JV at the first place.

    But I call this a BS excuse anyway, because you didn't ask for the non-competition agreement from these other guys either, you just wanted their money (screencap below). And you have history of being irresponsible to other people on the forum too (links below).

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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ed-give-away-free-sites-10-a.html#post4354382

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...er-12-years-need-some-advice.html#post5700570

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...od-stable-income-post4550586.html#post4550586

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...od-stable-income-post4550801.html#post4550801

    To sum it up:
    a) you never said that I shouldn't use the method outside of the JV and didn't mention signing of any non-competitive agreements for your buyers (nor for you) on the JV start
    b) considering A, you don't have any right in asking me to sign some contracts now on the JV end. Agreements should be signed on the JV start, not when you owe your partner money, it is called blackmail.
    c) if I had known A and B before, I would never agree to that terms and I wouldn't enter the JV in the first place
    d) Pay me my money.

    Period.
     
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