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Black hat seo sellers, scam?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Arditkallaba, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. Arditkallaba

    Arditkallaba Registered Member

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    Hi!

    I just cant wrap my head around this, why are people selling SEO that they claim will rank your site in #1-3 in any given competition? Why arent these people just combining their "awesome" SEO with a site, and get a passiv income? If they can rank their site, wouldnt they earn much much more? The real good SEO who makes 3203$ a day, wouldnt sell their SEO and do this. Thats why I dont trust any SEO sales... Or is it more to it?
     
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  2. mickyfu

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    Why are people like you under the impression that people who sell SEO do not have their own niche websites too?
     
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  3. rbunter

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    Because they aren't selling their SEO to you (techniques) only the proccess that you won't see.
     
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  4. Arditkallaba

    Arditkallaba Registered Member

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    Well yes, they prolly got it all figured it out. But it just seem to good to be true, to rank my site for 300 dollars..
     
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    Probably is, the thing is not to treat them as "SEO Experts", but as link sellers. I buy links from various sellers which when combined with my own work, I know will rank my websites, I could not care less about all the fancy chart pictures and raving reviews from new accounts, basically if you want to get anywhere in IM, it is up to you to know what will rank your websites.
     
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    This is an important point, what the customer receives is only the service and Seo expert earns without revealing his recipe.

    OP, I think it's easier to do Seo for a site of others rather than create own websites and wait rankings in months.
    I'm waiting for someone selling seo services to find out why it does.
     
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    Yeah I wan't to buy some SEO too but it's expensive and I won't learn anything so... I think it's not worthy, only if you want to earn some hundred of $$ with your pages, but you won't earn thousand like they do.
     
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    This is like asking why Saatchi & Saatchi or Ogilvy didn't just start global drinks or sports equipment companies.

    SEO alone doesn't make money, just as a global advertising campaign doesn't.

    You first need to build a business, a product, a delivery mechanism, etc, etc.

    Some people enjoy doing both and others enjoy just one or the other.
     
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    As a SEO service provider, I can tell you that most of us have our own portfolio of websites in addition to clients we manage.

    Reasons why I offer services:

    1. Breaks up the monotony of site building. A man can only build so many websites without going crazy.
    2. Another stream of income.
    3. Meet people for other business ventures (outside of SEO).
    4. Learn about new industries.
     
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  10. 2DHades

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    There are also plenty of guys who invested a long-period-of-time to study SEO. Then not having the right budget, the best option is to start selling it as a service. I'm not saying this is a good practice, I'm saying it's a common practice.

    Imagine you have invested 12 months in learning SEO. Then you need softwares, proxies, domains, SEO hosting, content, yada yada
    These things ain't cheap, ya know...

    And this is the bare minimum to start if you are serious about what you are doing. Then if you want to create a good money site, you need top content, good monetization, conversion skills, etc.

    At this point you know a lot about SEO, but you are still a newbie as you probably won't have much practice. Therefore taking people's money, and using it for your education and profit seems like a great deal. If you are smart and knowledgeable people might not find out what you are doing, and you can still deliver great results.

    And again, this is just one option why people sell SEO services.
     
  11. Arditkallaba

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    Aha, I get it now. But I would my self invest more time in making a site tho, top content cost about 15$ and the expenses will be covered in a few months time. But I'm just a newbie and probably alot of newbies ask these questions. :D Thanks for answers!
     
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    Trying to understand why others do what they do is mostly a futile exercise.

    I sold a 'real world' business for a price that was literally amazing - and I'm sure plenty of buyers assumed it was 'too good to be true', etc, but the truth is I had just lost interest in that part of life, and literally wanted to walk away - it was absolutely not about the money for me. The guy that did buy it got a fantastic deal, and he knows it.

    So don't worry about why sellers sell stuff - just think about your own operations, and what you need in order to achieve what you want to achieve. Then, if a seller is offering what you need, their circumstances become totally irrelevant to you - as well they should be.
     
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  13. AnthonyCorleone

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    OP my suggestion if you don't wan your site penalized or sinked or if you on long run do not use BHW seo services you will regret trust me on this one I learned this hard way
     
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    you cant say scam because there are alot trustable sellers you deciede to buy and they will deliver their work but most of bhw or other forum services wont rank you all sites are diffrent to rank what works for one might not work for another.. but this is good business and they make money selling promisses
    as long as there are sheeps will be wool :)
     
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    Wow, that is EXACTLY like saying all people of a certain skin color or ethnicity are bad human beings.
     
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  16. Arditkallaba

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    Can't learn without failing, I believe I can rank my site on my own, so I'm not using these services. If I fail, maybe I might - or if I get desperate. I dont mind reading, and I dont mind spending time to fail to fail, because I know eventually I will succeed. :)

    Luc1fer; I have figured that already, so like I said I wont be buying unless im getting desperate.
     
  17. AnthonyCorleone

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    well what I was trying to say if your project is white hat and you using black hat tactics is the bad combination
    same time I did blow 10k$ in bhw seo services and only what I learn from this is that only 2 services out of 38 worked and only 5 out of 38 gave detailed report and only 2 out of 5 had matched report as promised and others reports wouldn't be matched to what it was described
    not talking about that almost all of those backlinks i got was hosted on same IP or diversed between 1-2 IP's for 50-100 backlinks from 1 IP is like screaming out "hey google penalize me"

    there's is some good good seo experts don't gave me wrong but sad I didn't found them in BST selling anything
    after all what I was trying say is if you have legit project that can generate good amount of $ for long terms or even better is white hat business the BHW seo services is the last place you wan a go for ranking purposes
     
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    Actually what you did was call out EVERY SEO PROVIDER on BHW by saying this:

    "if you don't wan your site penalized or sinked or if you on long run do not use BHW seo services"

    Own up to what you said, Chief.
     
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  19. AnthonyCorleone

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    and I mean it when I said it! literally all of them only good for churn n burn
    and those that's claims #1 in tittle for few $ or those that will do sick seo without any kinds report not even good for churn n burn as is 1 way of taking noobs $

    EDIT: I did found few sick providers here and not from BST but from digging and lurking SEO threads discussions then PM'ing them then waiting for months til available spots available and it wasn't like 100-200$ a month it was like 1000-5000$ a month and the wait time and those money wort a every penny!!

    something that you can't find in BST and for obvious reasons
     
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    Not only are you wrong, you are 100% wrong... I'd hate to have you as a student in any of the classes I teach.
     
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