Avoiding Govnerment Tax????

What I was saying OP, it's not as simple as using another gateway and then you're scot free.

kvmcable, Damn it's totally crazy to hear about all the b.s. you went through! Then saw someone close to you go through about the same thing. Just goes to show how easily anyone can be taken down through the tax department.
Sounds like you're working out of the strangle hold. I wish you the best in getting past all of that issue.

Thanks for the critical points made! Serious motivation to work my way off of the treadmill also.


zebrahat, just the other day I heard of someone driving in Canada without all types of "enforced" paperwork: registration, drivers license, insurance, license plate etc. They were stopped by an officer for not having the correct license plate on his car. From my understanding the driver was claiming to be a "sovereign citizen" and gave the officer a handful of documents stating this and how he could not be legally charged or ticketed for not having the "enforced" paperwork. Anyway, to make things short, the officer looked into his statement, documents, etc. and confirmed it through someone by radio and then allowed the driver to continue on his way.
Is this claiming individual sovereignty and what you are talking about the same general idea?


Does anyone in the US currently make all deposits to only be "redeemed by lawful money"?
i.e. Lawful Money = United States Notes; Not ?Federal Reserve Notes?

It appears many use this to help with their tax situation. However there is a more significant benefit which is removing fiat currency power from the federal reserve bank (a bank which is privately owned and controlled for private profit).

For many people this is not about avoiding responsibility (i.e. taxes), but rather being more responsible.

everythingred said:

Do you think roads and hospitals were built through donations? Pay your taxes.

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They've got roads here in Monaco too, you know. It's just that they consider that 18% VAT on every transaction should be sufficient to build some roads and hospitals if you just stop the ridiculous government waste that you see everywhere in the western world.

jblaze said:

zebrahat, just the other day I heard of someone driving in Canada without all types of "enforced" paperwork: registration, drivers license, insurance, license plate etc. They were stopped by an officer for not having the correct license plate on his car. From my understanding the driver was claiming to be a "sovereign citizen" and gave the officer a handful of documents stating this and how he could not be legally charged or ticketed for not having the "enforced" paperwork. Anyway, to make things short, the officer looked into his statement, documents, etc. and confirmed it through someone by radio and then allowed the driver to continue on his way. Is this claiming individual sovereignty and what you are talking about the same general idea?

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I've recently been interested in this, and have watched numerous YouTube videos where someone attempts to make (let's call it) "non-traditional" legal claims. For example, one guy claimed that the municipal court he was in was governed by "maritime law" and at the end of the video the Judge "abandoned ship". I treat these videos with a healthy dose of skepticsm however, as I can easily see how that attitude/perspective can turn a minor traffic offense into a major prison sentence.

As an accused, you only have to be wrong once in order to get convicted, and the State only has to be right once.

And, having read KVMCable's posts wherein he shares his numerous & substantive real-life experiences, I believe I am correct in my belief that his tax issues came about as a result of operating a brick & mortar computer repair business, while the primary focus of this thread seems to be the more ethereal and harder-to-legally-define business of online internet marketing, where transactions can be considered to take place anywhere in the world, and can be governed by any number of international tax agencies, or none at all. Or at least that is what I wonder about.

And, I think the larger point & focus of this thread is not about how scary the IRS is, or what terrible things can happen to a person if they get their ass in the proverbial crack, but rather what some common-sense, low-risk and high-return (on investment of time) methods might be utilized by the average person that wants to keep as much as they can, but doesn't want to go to prison either.

I think this is a damn good niche for some informed and enterprising IM'er. "Tax Advice for Internet Marketers". I see this stuff all the time; where highly educated and specialized professionals have "automated" their specialty and mass-produced it for wide-spread dissemination to "lower" classes of people that might not be able to afford a $400 an hour tax attorney. But they could afford $100 a month to be a (for example) member of an online club or forum where highly-qualified professionals give high-quality information to paying members that have an independent, "do-it-yourself" streak in them.

I think both Zebrahat and KVMCable exemplify who I'm talking about. The fact that they disagree does not make either of them wrong, in fact the disagreements sharpen the awareness of how both of them are right. Not only do "we" get the benefit of that "rightness", but through the miracle of modern technology, that rightness can be replicated to infinity, and each iteration of it's replication will have a substantive and intrinsic value to someone.

The only questions are, "How to monetize?", and "How to package and deliver the data."

moving larger sums with paypal is never a good idea, regardless if you want to pay taxes or not
and we can go further, relying only on paypal as a business is not a good idea

It can be done. The mafia and other criminals do it. Just need to ask them or hire a really expensive accountant. Find out what accountants work with politicians to hide their bribes and you will have a good one.

Ask these corrupt fucks how to not pay taxes http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/04/top-tax-dodging-companies-politicians

Unless you have politicians in your back pocket, good luck.