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Avoiding Govnerment Tax????

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by daveslaine, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. daveslaine

    daveslaine Newbie

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    Hey forum, lets assume I run a site with a payment gateway[Paypal Pro Gateway] and an option to pay with regular paypal.

    The money is stored in my Paypal.

    Is there an offshore account I can open and store the money into, and have them send me a debit card as well?

    Or if I transfered a large sum, lets say 7 digits from offshore to American bank, will the govt want to take a piece?

    I sincerely do not want to give the govt any of my money.

    So offshore banking?

    Technically, any site making money through Paypal going to an offshore account isnt even a business correct?

    Please explain the legality forum.
     
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    Pay your taxes
     
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    You've got a lot to learn.

    Hire a good accountant.
     
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    The way I see it, if you earn a reasonable amount of money, tax is small price to pay - and you are indirectly helping the less fortunate by paying your taxes.

    If you earn a massive amount, pay a good accountant to get you some tax relief :)
     
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    They always find out. The world is to interconnected these days. Find a good accountant like others stated.
     
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    Do you think roads and hospitals were built through donations? Pay your taxes.
     
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    I think he means this as a theoretical discussion. I don't think he's claiming to have 7 figures. It's the Lounge, remember.

    I think we all get the idea that getting caught not paying your taxes is a really bad idea. But this is a black hat forum. I would think this is something everyone would be interested in talking about, even if the conversation is on a theoretical level.

    When I daydream about where my IM career might take me, I imagine myself moving to a warm and far-away country with beautiful women and no taxes. However, I don't imagine giving up my US citizenship, which means something to me. And cannot help but think that others not only want this, but have also done it.

    We hear all these stories about "tax shelters" and the low/no taxes in Bermuda, etc... but that is for large, multi-national corporations. What about internet businesses to do their business online?
     
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  9. daveslaine

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    People, what terrible responses. This is theoretical, although I would consider it.

    I'm saying, if I have a website, lets say it has traffic and makes 10K/day, hypothetically.

    The account goes to PAYPAL! My only bank account on it is an OFFSHORE account.

    This is POSSIBLE YES? Correct.

    If I can do it, hurray, if not, then I will just do my taxes.

    Although I believe this is 100% a hack and glitch around paying fkin taxes.

    I dont care, let the common man pay for taxes, dont want to be mean, but I dont want to pay taxes unless Im working at a job. But since this is my own biz getting money through Paypal, then I want to not pay taxes.

    Possible? Anyone tried this? Anyone know if this can be done?
     
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    If you have a company based within the UK you can avoid paying corporation taxes, if you are a director you'll get paid based on your shares and your shareholders agreement, hence you will not be paying any taxes on your income.
    If you want to learn more about this, simply pay an accountant, the procedure is 100% legal until they decide to change the law, which I really dont think it'll happen anytime soon.
    Giants like facebook or starbucks benefit from this method within the UK, along with many other companies.
    Ltd FTW!
     
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    Hmmm, Paypal is an EU based bank. Your transactions will be transparent, so there is no way to 'hide' anything since your name is connected to PP.
     
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    I'm not saying this to be disparaging or pejorative but this is one of the most naive things I have ever read in my entire life.

    The moment you get audited (and you will get audited) go ahead and explain to the IRS that you shouldn't have to pay taxes unless you're "working at a job". I'm sure they'll just let it slide, I hear the IRS allows do-overs.
     
  14. daveslaine

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    Ok. I want to humbly apologize for sounding and being an arrogant ass. Working on my project and not getting ass lately is the cause.

    The way I see it, it seems as if not only are people either insulting me such as "Youre an idiot" without explaining and giving causes as to why, but it also seems like everyone is trying to get me to pay taxes, as if everyone wants me not to not pay taxes if you know what I mean.

    There hasn't been a single response supporting my wish to not pay taxes.. all of them have been trying to shit on me and get me to pay taxes.

    Wtf.

    And nobody explains why Im an idiot, and not a single explanation has been given regarding my money going into Paypal, then to an OFFSHORE BANK!

    The IRS is going to get me? Really? How, they can track how much money goes into MY PP account?

    Unless paypal specifically tells them, there is no way, not even if they do detective work that they could solidly prove that I am making excess money and not paying tax.

    I am honestly disgusted by all the comments trying to get me to pay taxes.

    If you know something I dont, explain in detail because I want to read it.

    I want to read exactly ever thing and every detail as to why its not possible, and why I will get caught regardless.

    Come on, please explain to my bad tempered ass because I dont believe a word of any of you. It sincerely and genuinely seems like everyone is attempting to use mass psychological coercion to get me to pay taxes and not avoid them.

    So, to all the smarties and brainiacs, please give all of your reasons, and explain in detail.
     
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  16. daveslaine

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    And also. Remember, this is more of a, personal website. 'm not sure if any personal website make millions without forming into companies or hiring employess.. now that i think of it, i may do that, or am not sure if i will need to, however, assuming its all just me and a partner or two, and its just a personal website banking it through paypal and offshore banks, taxes or no taxes?
     
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    Don't you worry, PayPal will gladly tell them. Everything.
     
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    You can't avoid government taxes...well you can try too, until the IRS shows you..you can't.
     
  19. Reyone

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    Dude, you are a complete retard, however, I will kindly explain you why that will not work.

    Money ---- Paypal (FLAG, EVERYBODY FUCKING KNOWS THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THAT MONEY) ---- offshore company

    You are rich and you have 1bn in your offshore bank account which you have transfered from your paypal

    2 months later you receive a call from the tax dude
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    tax man -HELLO?
    you - alo im rich and im banking, what do you want?
    tax man - YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT PAID TAXES FROM YOUR EARNINGS WHICH WENT TO PAYPAL
    you- uhm, i should have been more polite in bhw and listened a bit more, now ill be picking soap 24/7
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Next day in bhw we see the news
    - BIG retarded person has gone to jail for not paying taxes coz he thought it was legal to transfer his money to an offshore account from paypal.


    Honestly, chill the fuck out bro, and cool your attitude, we are here to help but if you behave like that no one will help you
     
  20. daveslaine

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    Thank you. You see how easy it was to explain. Rather than call me an idiot, you actually made me aware and gave me knowledge regarding this.

    Perhaps there are other payment gateways, authorizenet or some other shit that may not inform?

    However, if there is no payment gateway or whatever, than I guess I will pay taxes.

    Ive always known Paypal awares the tax guys, however, just thought it would work.

    And yea, the fact that you can go to prison for decades for tax evasion, shows me what kind of prison world this is. Always an "upper hand" that "we" put in power b**fu**g us, and you guys gladly taking it.

    Anyway, will do pay my taxes I guess