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  1. vaduvescuv

    vaduvescuv Junior Member

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    What do you think about Switzerland guys? (Zurich) - Cost of living/ taxes etc.

    Between Zurich/Berlin and Barcelona..what would you choose?
     
  2. Billy_Batts

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    Germany is a no for me straight away. Barcelona is a beautiful city, at least, it used to be haven't been there in 20 years, Zurich, Switzerland is beautiful, has a very good infrastructure but it's also expensive and hard to become legal.
     
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    Why straight no for Germany ?
     
  4. Billy_Batts

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    I could tell you but then I would have to go into detail about politics which is forbidden on BHW.
     
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    I'm sure bending laws, gaining total control over the media and the justice system looks promising from a western democracy :D

    But like everything, there is a bright side, since they stole everything, the NAV (National Tax and Customs Administration) has zero capacity to monitor IM money. I havent paid tax for 2 years now.
     
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    Bwhahaha, I don't mind paying a little tax to contribute just not to my own country.

    And Orban, let's just say without having a discussion about it, I like Orban's foreign immigrant policy ;)
     
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    uh come to Berlin. It's not your typical German city. It's multinational awesomeness that offers a lot :p Moved here, not regretting at all.
     
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    Even if they would pay me I would not want to live in Germany and I already live in the most diverse city in the world ;)
     
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    Well, the average monthly salary is around 150k HUF (500 EUR) at the moment, but if you don't own a house/flat, you already spend half of that just to the rent alone. Utility bills are high here too compared to the salary, so most people hardly live by. The salary is higher in the capital, but the prices what you pay for the rent are higher too, so it doesn't make any difference.
    But this is just for those who live from a salary. If you do IM stuff and earn even just $1,000-$2,000 a month, you can live quite easily.

    The healthcare system is quite shit. It's cheap, but shit. All the better doctors already left and are working in Western EU for a lot more money. There aren't enough nurses, those are also working in Western EU, long waiting lists for basic operations etc.
    My sister is a physiotherapist and she earns 10 times more in France than what an average physiotherapist earns here. Not kidding, not an exaggeration, not 3-4 times more, 10 times more. She lives there 5 years now, in his first or second year there she bought a Mini Cooper, by now she already travelled the world and a month ago bought an almost new Mercedes GLA and she's already thinking about getting a smaller house on the Mediterranean coast. That's something what she would have never been able to achieve from a Hungarian salary. And she's "just" a physiotherapist, not a doctor.

    In my previous post i just wanted to draw a picture about Hungarian people, that they are not too friendly or happy and you might not want to move to a country, where your average person is depressive and pessimistic as fuck. :) If someone lives better than the average, everyone is envy, no-one is happy for them. If you check any tests which measures how happy are the people in certain EU countries, we are always way down on that list, not on the last place (that's reserved for the Greeks lol), but down. Try to stay happy in a place where everyone else in your surrounding is unhappy.

    The country is drifting towards a Turkish style totalitarian system, corruption is on a never seen level, and the worst thing that no-one is there to stop them, because they own everything and everybody, they own the close to non-existent opposition too. It's a mafia.
    You think that our prime minister is a great guy, because he stopped the refugees, yea, he did that with the wall, but he did 10 other things on the same scale, which are bad. Once he was a great guy, long time ago, when they ended the communist regime, but now he's practically a smaller version of Putin. He became the very thing, what he was fighting against 30 years ago.
    One of Orban's oligarchs became the 5th richest Hungarian in under a year, he jumped 25 positions on the list by adding 300 million EUR to his wealth, which is quite a lot in a small and not too developed country like ours and this is just what can be proven and is on paper. He has control on a lot more than that through his people. It's the fastest wealth growth in Hungarian economic history and it's not because the guy is smart or anything like that. If you ever seen a dumb person...my favorite story related to him is that not too long ago he was asked by a journalist, whether he owns a certain bigger company or no. The guy said no, not because he wanted to lie, but because he had no clue. Soon after arrived the correction from his staff, that yes, he owns that company too. lol The guy buys companies and property like you or me buying milk in the grocery store. All of it with stolen money of course, stolen from EU funds, grants and tax money. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
    They do this at broad daylight, they don't have to hide it anymore, because there's no-one stop them.

    It's a country with no perspective whatsoever. That's why a good portion of the younger people leave and never come back.

    The country itself is nice, yes. The prices are low for someone from Western EU, yes, but if you put everything into perspective, you can see, the grass is not greener here either.
     
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    What did Angela do to you so badly?
     
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    Zurich nice place but f#cking expensive. Go to barcelona you ll have sun , beach and girls.
     
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    Dude, go to Eastern Europe. Minimum wage here $400 per month (that's 4,800 a year). Lots of people live like that. They are not the happiest ones but it's manageable. Making 1-2k a month you are bill gates here.
     
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    Perspective is only in the eye of the beholder. I couldn't care 2 shits if other people are unhappy. Once upon a time I cared about such things till the world and my country and " friends" fucked me over multiple times! As long as the Batts is happy it's all good. I just need a place I can retreat to where I got land, secluded and is cheap, here you can't escape, it's too dense and over here they got everything but it's never enough.

    And I am not one of those guys when they got money they act like rich assholes, hang myself with gold jewelry, buy a fancy car dress in versace clothing and all that other bullshit. I rather drive a rusted pickup truck, I wear mainly black non-branded clothes, the only thing of brand I buy are shoes, I only care about music, art and animals and don't care much about most people (besides some I met in IM) unless they buying my shit or leaving their email.

    Now I know several people from my country that moved to Hungary and they all say for them it was the best choice but when you are a native I can understand you find it shit and the west better, not saying I will go there permanently but over here they expect you to work till you are 70 years old and by the time I get there, IF I get there they already wasted our retirement on failing banks and failing countries in the EU. They even gave the EU control over our retirement money which was 1400 billion euro and I don't trust the EU with it as they are the biggest legal mafia in the world. At least in the "poor" countries I can save a couple years so I have something when I retire. That's all I have to say about the EU without going into much details about all their politics ;)

    But I am not sure yet, I will have to do a couple years of travelling, living a month here, a month there etc to see what feels best to me, South America and Asia is also high on my list but I will have to discover what feels best for me plus I got so many people to meet I met through IM and BHW.

    And want to be overrun by tourism not to forget.
    lol
     
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    This rule applied only when Bulgaria wasn´t in the EU, now everyone who has the EU residence can buy a house without registering a company for that.

    I am from West EU and I have been in Bulgaria several month already, I think it´s a nice country. Beautiful nature (mountains, sea, lakes etc), the cost of living are low, low taxes (10%), property prices are low (compared to West EU like the Netherlands/Germany), good and healthy food, the young people usually speak english, but it´s better to learn the language. With an IM income you can have a nice & more relaxed life there, the summer temperature is very warm. There are problems too (wages are low, a lot people move to West EU etc) but I think it´s a lovely country.
     
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    The nature sounds good, not sure about the demographics yet but that language though. How the hell you expect us Westerners read that lol, I can't even try to pronounce words because I can't even read what it says :D

    How are the dentist quality and prices? I seriously need to fix my teeth but over here it will cost me 12k to get veneers.
     
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    Europe or US or Canada once I have the money. I think Canada would be nice.
     
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    In the villages are usually only old people, the young people move to the bigger cities for work/university or go to West EU. The cyrillic letters are less complicated to learn than it looks, it took me less than 1 month to read most words (but understanding the meaning is more complicated haha and so far I barely understand anything).

    Unfortunately I can´t tell you my own experience with a dental clinic (I haven´t visited any in Bulgaria so far), but in Sofia & Plovdiv study a lot people medicine, even Germans & Austrians move there to study medicine. The prices are much cheaper compared to West EU (for example filling about 25-40 € and extraction 25-40 €) and I think in the bigger cities (Sofia, Plovdiv, Varna, Burgas) there are good dental clinics. In medicine universities it will be even cheaper haha, they are doing their practice on real humans.
     
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    So you come from outside EU, USA and Canada, thought about how to get a legal status? I know in the States you can build a pretty descent life as an illegal alien but you can forget about that in the EU.

    Gheghe that's why i also have South America as an option, Spanish is easy to learn, nice climate, beautiful nature, nice food.

    So many options :D all I know I want to leave modern/west Europe.
     
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    I would recommend central Europe. I left Sweden because of...... Sweden.

    Never in my life would I raise children in Sweden or in Western Europe, it's too decadent and it's not safe. However, in Central Europe people are still a bit conservative and they are not looking to self-destruct like Swedes do.

    If you are like me and don't like the modern state of Western Europe, then I would recommend Central Europe. It's a good place to be in. It's warm as hell now though, during the summer time I am half dead.
     
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    I can totally understand you. It´s good to have the internet, a lot more opportunities haha. I was thinking about moving to South America too, but I think it´s more dangerous compared to the EU, it´s easier to move to an EU country (residence, tax regulations) and faster & cheaper to fly home (relatives/ emergency).
     
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