Another Google Update on It's way

deft2g said:

Lol, perhaps. But my point is no reason to trust anyone. Nothing is confirmed, nothing has been tested. Everything is just theory.

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Well, it's been over a week so most SEOs that know their game should have some real tangible data by now. For me, it's quite clear that there was a rollback to a certain degree, but I also gained rankings for keywords that I didn't rank for in the past. The update was in part a rollback, but there was definitely some additional changes to the core.

I'm with you that you can't always believe what comes from Google when it comes to SEO, but in this case, there is no reason for Google to lie about it.

deft2g said:

Lol, perhaps. But my point is no reason to trust anyone. Nothing is confirmed, nothing has been tested. Everything is just a theory.

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That's exactly what SEO is, theory. You have enough data to collect evidence, generate a theory, write down expected changes/improvements and then test that theory then you reach a conclusion.

No agencies cross test or share data. It's obvious as to why. People with enough data. As I said can put out a theory others are able to test and make observations with enough testing often reach the same conclusions.

It's data. If you have a site with small or limited traffic it's hard to test or prove anything. Why do you think people took so much notice of Rand and his white board fridays, or his tweets? It's because he had the data over a wide board to make a theory or conclusion based on what information he has.

The post you replied to by Jeepy obviously sounds like he has a broad range of information/data to make a conclusion from without just guessing..that's just my opnion.

fb3003 said:

when did you make the redirect?

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One redirect was made 1-2 months ago and the other website was redirected a week ago ...

This is the truth


focused on building great content. Over time, it may be that your content may rise relative to other pages.”

same old shit just need richer content i am guessing proof reading will come soon.

what i mean via that proof of written info will have to be of article story shown , picture ,video .

gossip , lies , shit talk going to be classed as spam

google aiming at proper info with proof of content.

example .

let say i was promotting a game , google would exspect screen shots of game from me not ones already on the .net and a indepth article but picture proving my article content .

becouse that info will be proper and deep and fresh will be indexed .

if i just got pictures from the .net and spun a artichle wont be indexed .

i am pretty sure google is solving spun content , if it ant readable content making sence will not be indexed .

beleve me the ai so advance it self learning very scary .

google wants to be the best at providing proper content that can be beleved in .

just like a dictionary or encyclopedia

let say your building a business website for a client , you use to just use imagination and google help , but now google wants fresh info on the business owner , indepth pictures of there business and real info and videos of the business in action , that will get you indexed .

old website ways are not getting indexed so easly.

everythink needs to be real and fresh .

you dont have to beleve me, i no it the truth ....

RStar66 said:

Actually, the update rollout is complete. It's been confirmed by Danny Sullivan.

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The dude also said that this update is not perfect yet they are still adding improvements everyday.

bartosimpsonio said:

That's what I do when I wanna keep something a secret. I PM it to random internet people.



What royserpa is trying to say is this: Google ideally would like you to design a site and ignore them completely.

Everything we do and that we take as "normal" is trying to manipulate the SERPs in a way that we won't get penalized (white hat) BUT STILL is focused on getting ranked and is not ignoring Google as they would like you to.

I know exactly what he's trying to say but I can't explain it any better either.



You're only stating the obvious (blatantly obvious BTW, sorry to be blunt but what you're saying there is SEO 101....) and once again you're trying to sell your friend's SEO group membership.

Are you Kyle Roof yourself? Nothing wrong if you are. Honest. His Plano experiment was one of the best things I saw in black hat in years. So if you're him that's great.




What I said above. royserpa is trying to convey the idea that anything we do is trying to manipulate SERPs and is not natural at all.

If it weren't for Google would we even care about kw density at all?



I don't know what they call the aftershock but it double-fucked some of my best (100% white hat) sites.



Think about it, even white hats manipulate items 1 to 3, even if accidentally.



By Google's policies it's Black hat. They're not natural content. Same as buying links IMO



No. This was targetted. Financial sector. Google is probably going to enter the financial sector heavily, probably linked to cryptocurrencies (hint hint hello Facebook you might have competition soon).

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Unfortunatly I'm not Kyle Roof, and while I may be biased, his service is excellent and definatly worth the money.

You're telling me: "You're only stating the obvious"

Might be for you and me, but a few of the things are what Yoast SEO (Prob the largest Wordpress SEO plugin) recommends and "scores" a page based upon. They make it sound like it's best practice, basicly brainwashing people to think that's the way to go.

john5170 said:

What's an example? I haven't noticed this much actually....

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Ah. It's all over the place. Try some popular searches and test.

RStar66 said:

Actually, the update rollout is complete. It's been confirmed by Danny Sullivan.

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That doesn't mean anything. Or it could mean several different things.

RStar66 said:

Ok, so basically you are right, no matter what anyone says. Got ya.

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Not trying to antagonize with you here but he's actually not that wrong in this case. Finished rolling out could mean several things.

RStar66 said:

Well, it's been over a week so most SEOs that know their game should have some real tangible data by now. For me, it's quite clear that there was a rollback to a certain degree, but I also gained rankings for keywords that I didn't rank for in the past. The update was in part a rollback, but there was definitely some additional changes to the core.

I'm with you that you can't always believe what comes from Google when it comes to SEO, but in this case, there is no reason for Google to lie about it.

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A rollback to some 2018 algorithm perhaps? Doesn't seem like a rollback to march 2019.

kromik100 said:

Unfortunatly I'm not Kyle Roof, and while I may be biased, his service is excellent and definatly worth the money.

You're telling me: "You're only stating the obvious"

Might be for you and me, but a few of the things are what Yoast SEO (Prob the largest Wordpress SEO plugin) recommends and "scores" a page based upon. They make it sound like it's best practice, basicly brainwashing people to think that's the way to go.

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The more you try to promote him the more skeptical I become.

Lesson learned from this thread: Don't ever take SEO advice from BHW threads.

So many people that have no clue on the SEO-game, and have all their experience based on a few small affiliate websites built with blackhat techniques. Please don't promote yourself as gurus since, Unfortunately, some people will believe you.

kromik100 said:

Lesson learned from this thread: Don't ever take SEO advice from BHW threads.

So many people that have no clue on the SEO-game, and have all their experience based on a few small affiliate websites built with blackhat techniques. Please don't promote yourself as gurus since, Unfortunately, some people will believe you.

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Not cool to talk about yourself like that.

RStar66 said:

Not cool to talk about yourself like that.

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I'd never post anything that I haven't personally tested or experienced - either from over 10 years in the industry, handling over 1000 clients, or results shared from our own A/B single variable tests. Would be great to hear how many from this thread could say the same.

Oh and btw, we did a A/B single variable test on Reddit links just a few weeks ago, seems like you asked that question on another thread. Our results showed no significance when we only rested Reddit links vs. no links (Meaning that the no-follow links had no value), but with 5 PBN links vs. 5 PBN links (The same) + Reddit link, the variations with the Reddit link won with huge significance. That's a good explanation of what we do - we back our decisions by data, instead of risking our SEO clients on polls from a shady online forum.

kromik100 said:

I'd never post anything that I haven't personally tested or experienced - either from over 10 years in the industry, handling over 1000 clients, or results shared from our own A/B single variable tests. Would be great to hear how many from this thread could say the same.

Oh and btw, we did a A/B single variable test on Reddit links just a few weeks ago, seems like you asked that question on another thread. Our results showed no significance when we only rested Reddit links vs. no links (Meaning that the no-follow links had no value), but with 5 PBN links vs. 5 PBN links (The same) + Reddit link, the variations with the Reddit link won with huge significance. That's a good explanation of what we do - we back our decisions by data, instead of risking our SEO clients on polls from a shady online forum.

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Congrats, you've beaten me by a year with your experience. As for clients, I lost count of clients ages ago.

I also did testing on Reddit. The key with Reddit links (especially links that change to rel=follow) is that you have to put in the work to be part of the community so that people actually click your links. A Reddit link only carries measurable value as a link, if the link actually drives traffic. At least, that is what I found.

RStar66 said:

Congrats, you've beaten me by a year with your experience. As for clients, I lost count of clients ages ago.

I also did testing on Reddit. The key with Reddit links (especially links that change to rel=follow) is that you have to put in the work to be part of the community so that people actually click your links. A Reddit link only carries measurable value as a link, if the link actually drives traffic. At least, that is what I found.

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I find it great that you share your findings, but with that many years of experience, as you have, you also know that you can't (always) copy-paste techniques for different sites. So the finding you had might work for some, and show no results for others. Most people don't realize this, and will blindly follow your advice. Not that anything is wrong with the advice, it's the "shiny objects syndrome" of the readers that frustrates me.

We try and do our A/B tests on fresh domains (Unless the test itself is something about aged domains), and only change a single variable. We do this across multiple domains and monitor the changes - e.g. what effect does it has that a few of our sites get a Reddit link. If we see some correlation(After waiting several weeks for everything to settle), we try and replicate the test the opposite way around, removing the links again. That should have them drop. Boosting the other sites with a Reddit link should then push those in top as well. If everything checks out we can tell there's a positive correlation for Reddit links, and I can confidently share my findings on forums like this.

I genuinely hope that you and many others will keep sharing their methods, results, and findings, but people reading have to understand that it's an "isolated case", and there is no guarantee that it can be replicated for their own website, as Google moves more and more of their ranking towards machine learning (Hypothesis), making the ranking signals more than just a math and an algorithm and thus making it hard to explain what works. Even for Google.

kromik100 said:

Not that anything is wrong with the advice

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That's because they are not worth their salt, not my problem. Any SEO knows no two sites are the same, and neither is the competition for rankings.

For my Reddit-link test, I also had to brand new identical sites. The only thing that differed was the actual content and the amount of traffic that was generated via the Reddit link.

Reddit links (Rel=follow) do help, if you ad value to the sub and drive traffic via the link. If the link gets no traffic, you are wasting your time on Reddit.

RStar66 said:

That's because they are not worth their salt, not my problem. Any SEO knows no two sites are the same, and neither is the competition for rankings.

For my Reddit-link test, I also had to brand new identical sites. The only thing that differed was the actual content and the amount of traffic that was generated via the Reddit link.

Reddit links (Rel=follow) do help, if you ad value to the sub and drive traffic via the link. If the link gets no traffic, you are wasting your time on Reddit.

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Agreed.

I don't know why this feels like a good thing for me!
Okay, I'm no expert or anything. I've been creating websites for a couple of years now.
But somehow, a website I created last Jan is getting really good results after the update! It has a clean backlink profile, no off-page SEO whatsoever.
I noticed an obvious spike in organic traffic since the update. It's shown on SEMrush and in my Analytics. It's the 13th and I've already surpassed the amount of organic traffic I got last month. I don't know if this is just the natural course my new website is taking, or is it because of the update... I have no clue. But I do have a good feeling about this... it makes me feel like I'm actually doing something 'right.'

Another thing that caught my attention is my client's website. I write content for him, and I noticed that his traffic rocketed from 340 to 550 since the update. I don't know how he handles his whole backlink profile, but I have this feeling that my content is actually being "appreciated" by the engine? I have no freaking clue.

I'm going to focus even more on this website since it shows great potential by now. I'll keep doing what I'm doing and hope that Google will actually appreciate my good 'original' content. Let's see how it goes.

deft2g said:

I had a 40% reduction, but upon further investigation my clicks per day have gone to the exact same level as on the day of the March 12th update. I think it's a roll back for them to fix the indexing issue they had, probably no other way for them to fix it. So what I think is hapenning is all the links from March until now have not yet been processed and added into their link map/algorithm. So probably more newer and up and coming websites have been more affected. my 2 cents

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You might actually be right. My site is fairly new (6 months old) and it's somehow favored by this update? I don't know yet.

Lol, I forgot about one of my websites and decided to look into it. I haven't touched it in 9 months. Thanks Google, something positive for once. Time to add affiliate links.

tglr said:

Lol, I forgot about one of my websites and decided to look into it. I haven't touched it in 9 months. Thanks Google, something positive for once. Time to add affiliate links.

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That's because it had very very few kws.

It's easy to go from 0 to 500.

bartosimpsonio said:

That's because it had very very few kws.

It's easy to go from 0 to 500.

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Oh well, I'll still chalk it up to a positive.

tglr said:

Oh well, I'll still chalk it up to a positive.

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Usually that means they'll revert the change next time to keep you producing more and more content.

If they rank your site good forever, you don't produce more free content for them.

bartosimpsonio said:

Usually that means they'll revert the change next time to keep you producing more and more content.

If they rank your site good forever, you don't produce more free content for them.

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Yeah that wouldn't surprise me. I've gotten my fair share of hemorrhoids from previous Google Updates. And some of my sites had a bad experience in the current one. It's a never-ending rollercoaster.